Eliminate ATF?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AmyNation, Jan 25, 2013.

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Nix ATF?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2013.
  1. Yes get rid of it!

    77.3%
  2. Get rid of it and replace it

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    0.0%
  3. No, we need it!

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Keep it and expand it!

    18.2%
  5. Other

    4.5%
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  1. AmyNation
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    A poster mentioned in a different thread that ATF should be nixed. I've never considered it before, so I'm curious what people's opinions are.

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    I go the opposite route. I want to beef up ATF.
     
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    Why? They have shovel ready projects!
     
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    My initial inclination is to keep it. I suppose its one of those things that I've never put serious thought into if its needed or if its functions could be carried out more effectively by other departments.
     
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    Alcohol - There is still moonshine out there.

    Tobacco - There are still illegal cigarettes sold by the mafia

    Firearms - Would you want gansters to start carrying Thompson Machine Guns again and a host of other restricted weapons? What about gun trafficing inside the United States and guns sent to Mexico. The FBI doesn't deal with that.
     
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    Get rid of every bureaucracy we can, and the atf is one that we can certainly scrap.
     
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    Then put it in the FBI's job description and save us some money by getting rid of one bureaucracy.
     
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    For alcohol the only involvement the feds need to have is exicse taxation, and to help enforce the ability of states, counties and other local entities to prevent the import of alcohol if they so choose. The treasury can handle that.

    With cigarettes, its again an issue of taxation being avoided. Treasury.

    Firearms. Firearm laws are regular laws. a seperate agency is not needed. Violate state law? states handle. Violate federal law? FBI handles.

    No need for the agency.
     
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    The anti-gun control argument that goes: "Just enforce the existing laws we have" is a hollow wind when ATF has about 2500 agents, and they are not allowed to require inventories, and they are not allowed to maintain a database of sales.
     
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    The agency is responsible for terrible criminal acts including Ruby Ridge, Waco and currently the deaths of about 400 Mexican citizens and a US Border Patrol agent. Start the prosecution for Fast/Furious and see where it leads.
     

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