Dubbyuh's big lie...

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    <blockquote>Congress has now authorized the use of force. I have not ordered the use of force. I hope the use of force will not become necessary. - George W. Bush, 9/16/02</blockquote>

    These were Dubbyuh's words. Yet with the release of the "Downing Street" memo, it has become apparent that the Bush administration had already committed America to the pursuit of war.

    On July 8, 2002, a meeting took place in London. Present were Tony Blair, Geoffrey Hoon, British secretary of defense; Jack Straw, British secretary of state; Lord Goldsmith, the attorney general; John Scarlett, head of the Joint Intelligence Committee, which advises Blair; Sir Richard Dearlove, also known as "C," the head of MI6 ; David Manning, Britain's national security adviser; Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, the chief of the Defense Staff ; Jonathan Powell, Blair's chief of staff; Alastair Campbell, director of strategy; and Sally Morgan, director of government relations.

    At that meeting was discussed Dearlove's recent trip to Washington and the discussions which were held there. Nearly thre month's before Dubbyuh's October 16th satement, Dearlove had this to say:

    <blockquote>C (Dearlove) reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.</blockquote>

    Contrary to his later statements, Dubbyuh had decided to go to war to remove Hussein from power. This action was to be justified by linking the concepts of WMD's with terrorism. But this would be a simple task in the US as a majority of Americans mistakenly believed that Hussein was responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center. The intell was being spun and wrung until it fitted the policy the administration chose to pursue. There was no patience amongst the neo-con chicken-hawks in the administration for allowing the UN to finish inspections and make its final report. And as for what happend after the invasion...well they apparently didn't find that to be an issue worthy of their deliberation.

    Looking at events as they are now unfolding in Iraq, we now know that there were no WMD's...Hussein had no part of 9/11...There was no credible evidence of any ties between Saddam's regime and Al Qaeda...And we are reaping the bitter harvest of the Administration's lack of planning for a post-war Iraq. We see an intractable insurgency, which General Richard Meyer's says is undiminished from a year ago.

    Since The Big Lie, more than 1600 US military men and women have gone to their deaths, not to mention the civilian contractors that have died. Nearly 15,000 soldiers and marines have been wounded...maimed...crippled for life. And then there are the Iraqi civilian casualties. Conservative estimates place the total at around 10,000, while others place them at over 20,000.

    How many more must die for a lie?

    Citations:

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18034

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200504/s1354084.htm

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html
     
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    Obviously, Bush had to resolve that military action was at least an option before he went to Congress to ask for the resolution. I fail to see a smoking gun.

    No one ever thought Saddam was linked to 9/11. But Saddam was linked to terrorists, and those links are well documented.
     
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    i was thinking the same thing....but then i remembered that bully works with the olde and infirm....maybe dementia and alzheimer are contagious
     
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    Oh geez...again? This is almost as old as....
     

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    Atleast pong is fun.
     
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    <blockquote><a href=http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/cgi-bin/roberts.cgi/2005/05/18#A_Reputation_in_Tat>George W. Bush and his gang of neocon warmongers have destroyed America’s reputation. It is likely to stay destroyed, because at this point the only way to restore America’s reputation would be to impeach and convict President Bush for intentionally deceiving Congress and the American people in order to start a war of aggression against a country that posed no threat to the United States.</a></blockquote>

    While I'd like to take credit for writing this, I can't. Props to <a href=http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/bios/roberts.html>Paul Craig Roberts</a> A Reagan Republican with a long and distinguished career. Mr. Roberts has taken a stand in opposition to the war in Iraq from its inception and finds the blindness towards the egregious lies and abuses perpetrated by the Bush administration to be intolerable.

    How much longer will we tolerate these lies and abuses? How long before the young men and women who have died for the lies of the Bush administration are vindicated by the impeachment ot this presindent and those who aided him in the formation and implementation of thes ruinous policies? Who much longer wil the blindly devoted supporters of the Bush administration remain blinded? How many more must die for a lie?
     
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    Don't mind Bully guys. In his ideal world, Saddam Hussein would still be torturing children in front of their parents and George W Bush would be in prison.
     
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    Bully needs his own column "The Weekly Bedpan". It's full of shit.

    Bully. Get over with the Bush Lied thing. It's already a proven failed strategy. Why don't you move on to "the vitues of moderation".
     
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    Tch...Tch...Tch...It's only failed in the eyes of Dubbyuh's adoring and slavish supporters. The evidence is there, all it needs is to be acted upon. And when American politics returns to governing from the center, rather than the extremes, then will come the time for the virtues of moderation.
     
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    That's not the reason given by the administration for the invasion of Iraq, at least until the WMD myth was shot down.

    In an ideal world, Dubbyuh would still be in Texas, pumping gas in some dusty, one-stop-light hell-hole and drinking his brains out every night...And the US would never have backed Saddam Hussein in his war with Iran.
     

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