Drill baby Drill, how many oil production jobs is the left shipping over-seas?

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    In a time we need jobs and more tax revenue, we could look at the Dakotas, Texas and Louisiana as they compare to the rest of the country when it comes to jobs
     
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    We can't just rush into this, we have to make sure we can make domestic drilling as environmentally safe as we can. As we have learned in the gulf, environmental health is essential to many peoples livelihoods as well as our overall economic health.
     
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    I do not dis agree
    I work in the oil industry and we have this fear of something we should not fear

    It is un clear to me what agenda is driving the left in this country to have such a fear of a resource that could be a win-win-win

    Local exploration
    local refinement
    local distribution

    Where i am working in Texas I leave a son and a brother bankrupt in Florida with no chance of work in the next 4-ever

    Obama does not see this. we have to take advantage of every thing there is to create jobs
     
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    Zero.

    FYI the "left" does not assign petroleum workers to their tasks.

    The invisible hand of the market and the corporatists who guide that hand do the scheduling.

    Thought you right wingers understood how markets worked.

    Apparently not.
     
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    How much oil does the US consume every year? How much oil is available to us Domestically? When would this oil become available? Are you saying you want the United States government to build these oil refineries?

    The answer to our energy and economic woes is not drilling in our protected lands and off our delicate shores. There isn't enough out there to make a damn bit of difference. We are only talking something like 2% of all the oil in the world. We need to reduce our consumption, not destroy our land for the thimbleful of oil that is left in it.

    Yes, jobs are key to our economic recovery and jobs can be created...moving forward with cleaner, more renewable energies...and that includes some nuclear (although what is happening in Japan should give us pause). I'd like to see more research into micro (or is it macro?) nuclear energy ('cause waste is still a problem too).

    Despite being unfairly demonized by the right, Van Jones makes an excellent argument for green jobs, that could hasten our economic recovery and make us a "top dog" again. Right now we are trailing FAR behind countries like China and Germany.

    Do you know how much power Germany gets from solar? They aren't really known for their copious amounts of sunshine are they?
     
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    But they do assign the permits required to drill/move and refine these products
    I understand without the proper permits from the agency's that over see these events, nothing occurs
    NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- A federal court ordered the Obama administration Thursday to act on five deep water drilling permits in the Gulf of Mexico within 30 days, calling the delays in issuing new decisions "unreasonable, unacceptable, and unjustified."



    US: No New Refineries in 29 Years
    by Jad Mouawad, New York Times
    May 9th, 2005

    About 100 miles southwest of Phoenix, in a remote patch off Interstate 8, Glenn McGinnis is seeking to do something that has not been done for 29 years in the United States. He is trying to build an oil refinery.

    Part of his job is to persuade local officials and residents to allow a 150,000-barrel-a-day refinery in their backyard - no small task. Another is to find investors ready to risk $2.5 billion in a volatile industry. So far, the effort has consumed six years and $30 million, with precious little to show for it.

    Oil industry analysts and trade organizations like the American Petroleum Institute say they know of no one else doing the same thing.

    Even so, Mr. McGinnis - an industry veteran who joined Arizona Clean Fuels last year as chief executive to give the project more heft against long odds - cleared a significant hurdle recently when Arizona awarded him a crucial emissions permit. Still ahead are countless rounds of negotiations with local, state and federal agencies to secure dozens more permits.

    Meanwhile, the 1,400-acre site picked for the refinery, an old citrus grove near the Mexican border, remains empty, a sign of why the United States is now grappling with an acute shortage of plants that can refine the more than 20 million of barrels of crude oil that the country consumes every day.


    OBAMA'S ALL-OUT WAR ON AMERICA

    (opinion only)

    By Dr. Michael S. Coffman Ph. D.
    March 8, 2011
    NewsWithViews.com

    Even as Mideast oil supplies are increasingly imperiled by civil unrest, President Obama is systematically blocking every effort to develop domestic supplies of oil. If the turmoil in the Mideast escalates, it could unnecessarily mean $5 or more a gallon gas and the collapse of the American economy.

    Based on solely on his actions, it would seem President Obama hates America and most Americans. After all, a robust economy is dependent on a cheap supply of energy. Yet, the Obama administration has thrown roadblock after roadblock in the way of developing domestic coal, oil and natural gas supplies that would assure a stable, cheap supply of energy for America.

    Perhaps this shouldn’t be a surprise. After all, Obama warned that his cap and trade plans would “bankrupt” the coal industry and necessarily cause energy prices to “skyrocket” during the 2008 campaign. But, the electorate didn’t pay any attention because he promised hope and change.

    We should have paid more attention. In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle during the 2008 campaign Obama casually dropped the bombshell that he would bankrupt the coal industry. “Sure, if somebody wants to build coal-fired power plants, they can,” said Obama as if he was discussing the weather, “it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they are gonna be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”[1]
     
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    Oil consumption?
    what does oil consumption have to do with jobs when it comes to the expansion of an industry that is no existent in much of this country?

    Look the day green jobs are not created by the federal govt, thats the day they will make a difference.
    expanded oil refinement, exploration, etc.. not only will create jobs, it will lower fuel cost as well as add tax revenue

    Green jobs takes from tax revenue because the private sector will not touch it
    Your comment about Germany is another liberal myth. its the size of Georgia. its not needing the feed that This country needs to keep it healthy
     
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    Much of the domestic oil resources are not worth extracting unless crude prices are high.

    You can't drive down the price of oil via domestic production, because domestic production goes down as the price goes down.
     
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    Consumption has EVERYTHING to do with it. Do you think the smartest thing to do when automobiles started rolling off factory lines, would have been to go out and buy a buggy factory? We consume 20 million BARRELS of oil a day. (that's like almost 180 million gallons a day) and produce less than 5% of the world's oil.

    How much MORE oil is available to us even if we were to, say, drill in the Arctic? Estimates are from 3 to 16 billion barrels of oil in the Arctic. We use 6.6 barrels a year. The answer is NOT more drilling.

    Gee, so Germany is the size of Georgia...great, let's start with Georgia. Provide the same percentage of their electricity via solar as Germany does. It will be a great experiment. I don't get this "size" argument at all. Why can't something that works be expanded?

    What's wrong with doing this in the US? Hydrogen Community Lolland - the Future is Here : TreeHugger

    And don't try to tell me that the US government isn't all tied up in OIL. We subsidize the shit out of it (and yet the oil companies manage to turn ridiculous profits). Take away ALL the oil subsidies and invest in renewable energies.

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    Are you saying that extracting oil 5000 feet below sea level in the middle of the gulf makes more sense than the exploration and extraction of here in the US of A?
    Ok
    Look there is no better example of drinking to much cool aid
    I do not think we should all think the same, but I do wish all would think, just the same
     

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