Dresden in 1945

[Zebra]

Did I ever say it did not happen?

No.

It was conducted by the Soviet led "People's Committee of Brno", and the civilian authorities are the ones that required all of German descent to register, then deported them. In fact, prior to expulsion forcing them to wear armbands when in public. But it was unquestionably the civilian authorities that did it, not the Allies.

Please prove any kind of reference that was wrong.

nonsense

and you think that excuses all cruelty?

Didn't you say you were in Germany? Most Americans don't care about Germany. Or anywhere else for that matter. Our news barely mentions other countries. The invaders don't care at all. I doubt that many of them even know that there is a Germany.

yes, i live in germany

 

[Mushroom]

We should have never been in WW1 or WW2.

Right. Because they made Germany attempt to get a neutral nation to attack the US, and they got Japan to attack the US.

 

[Mushroom]

and you think that excuses all cruelty?

It has nothing to do with either this topic, or the Allied Powers at all.

This is simply a distraction attempt because the facts have repeatedly shown you are wrong. Just as they are in this attempt.

 

[Zebra]

It has nothing to do with either this topic, or the Allied Powers at all.

This is simply a distraction attempt because the facts have repeatedly shown you are wrong. Just as they are in this attempt.

more facts have shown that you are often c. ompletelx wrong and have no idea of European history or herstory ….

 

[EvilCat Breath]

nonsense

and you think that excuses all cruelty?



yes, i live in germany

You do understand that Americans really don't care about Germany or even most of Europe. There is some knowledge of Europe or European history but without interest, knowledge becomes spotty.

Dresden was hideously bombed by Allied warplanes. Other than that footnote, blah.

 

[expat500]

You do understand that Americans really don't care about Germany or even most of Europe.

75,000 of them moved to Europe two years ago.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

75,000 of them moved to Europe two years ago.

75,000 of them moved to Europe two years ago.

Ohh a whole 75,000, two years ago. That's really impressive.

 

[Mushroom]

more facts have shown that you are often c. ompletelx wrong

You mean like my listing the extensive railyards, and some of the major factories in the city and exactly what they were making?

In a city that you said had no factories at all. Which would be amazing, as it would be the only such city in the entire world in the last 500 years.

 

[Mushroom]

75,000 of them moved to Europe two years ago.

As opposed to the over 5.9 million that immigrated two years ago from Europe to the US?

You know, North Korea averages about 10,000 immigrants moving there every year.

Really want to have your mind blown? Haiti gets on average about a million immigrants per year.

So I am not really sure why you think that number is all that impressive, the US takes almost 6 million a year from an area you are bragging that gets a tiny fraction of that from the US.

But if you want, you can have a lot of ours, like Babs, Johnny Depp, and all the others who scream about leaving when one person or another wins and election, then amazingly never do. And all the others that do the same thing, like Whoopi Goldberg, Miley Cyrus, Amy Schumer, Samuel L. Jackson, Bryan Cranston, Eddie Vedder, Stephen Baldwin, and so many others.

 

[expat500]

As opposed to the over 5.9 million that immigrated two years ago from Europe to the US?

You know, North Korea averages about 10,000 immigrants moving there every year.

Really want to have your mind blown? Haiti gets on average about a million immigrants per year.

So I am not really sure why you think that number is all that impressive, the US takes almost 6 million a year from an area you are bragging that gets a tiny fraction of that from the US.

But if you want, you can have a lot of ours, like Babs, Johnny Depp, and all the others who scream about leaving when one person or another wins and election, then amazingly never do. And all the others that do the same thing, like Whoopi Goldberg, Miley Cyrus, Amy Schumer, Samuel L. Jackson, Bryan Cranston, Eddie Vedder, Stephen Baldwin, and so many others.

I wasn’t drawing comparisons. I was addressing the charge of Americans not having any interest in Europe.

 

[expat500]

Ohh a whole 75,000, two years ago. That's really impressive.

From the way you enunciate, you’d think it would be null.

 

[Grau]

You mean when the Czechoslovakian Government which was already largely a Soviet puppet state expelled almost all ethnic Germans?

That is not a "war crime", as it was done by the local civilian leadership and not the military. Crime against humanity I would agree with, but not a "war crime". No, the Bataan Death March and the like by the Japanese were war crimes, as they were done by the military to the military. Turning civilians into slave labor is a crime against humanity, which the Germans did a lot. Turning POWs into slave labor is a war crime, which the Japanese did a lot.

The Allied Powers had nothing to do with it, that was entirely the local government. With the Czechoslovak Police ensuring it was carried out, not the militaries of any of the Allied nations.

First, are you unaware that Czech President Eduard Benes called for the genocide of all ethnic Germans and: "Sergej Ingr, the commander-in-chief of Czech forces who
issued calls from his own exile in England said to: "Beat them, kill them, let nobody survive." (1)

In other words, the Czech government still ordered a genocide even though it was a government in exile.

In 1945, about the only ethnic Germans left were women and children and even they were burned alive, tortured, mutilated and / or raped.

Why, in your opinion, is an event a war crime or atrocity only when the Germans or Muslims do it?

Have you ever lived among either groups of people?



(1). The Brünner Todesmarsch Silent Memorials to the Genocide Against Germans"

The Brünner Todesmarsch Silent Memorials to the Genocide Against Germans

The Brünner Todesmarsch Silent Memorials to the Genocide Against Germans, Red Army, Czechs, Genocide of Germans, Women, Children, World War Two, British, Americans

www.exulanten.com

 

[Grau]

We should have never been in WW1 or WW2. But it was almost destined because of the satanic bankers. They need to be destroyed.

While I cannot support destroying everyone who works at a bank, Americans need to know that the history of WW 1 and WW 2 is far more complex than than the fictional Hollywood drivel on TV that is routinely misrepresented as "history".

If you ask any Hollywood educated rube: "Who started WW 1 and WW 2?", they will reflexively answer: "Germany" because that's what has been poured into their heads for decades.

The true culprits behind WW 1 and WW 2 are like the culprits behind any war, man made disaster, or crime; those who stand to gain. (i.e. cui bono) and the war profiteers were not the only driving forces behing the two world wars.

Thanks,

 

[Grau]

I wasn’t drawing comparisons. I was addressing the charge of Americans not having any interest in Europe.

Don't you think that it depends on the individual American and how much they've traveled?

I can't think of many people I know who have no interest in other parts of the world.

 

[expat500]

Don't you think that it depends on the individual American and how much they've traveled?

I didn’t go that deep in to it.

 

[Grau]

Pearl Harbor: Hawaii Was Surprised; FDR Was Not​

Pearl Harbor: Hawaii Was Surprised; FDR Was Not

Comprehensive research has shown not only that Washington knew in advance of the attack on Pearl Harbor, but that it deliberately withheld its foreknowledge from our commanders in Hawaii in the hope that the "surprise" attack would catapult the U.S. into World War II. By James Perloff

thenewamerican.com

British Security Co-ordination (BSC) was a covert organisation set up in New York City by the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) in May 1940 upon the authorisation of the Prime Minister, Winston Churchill.

Its purpose was to investigate enemy activities, prevent sabotage against British interests in the Americas, and mobilise pro-British opinion in the Americas. As a 'huge secret agency of nationwide news manipulation and black propaganda', the BSC influenced news coverage in the Herald Tribune, the New York Post, The Baltimore Sun, and Radio New York Worldwide.[1] The stories disseminated from the organisation's offices at Rockefeller Center would then be legitimately picked up by other radio stations and newspapers, before being relayed to the American public.[1] Through this, anti-German stories were placed in major American media outlets to help turn public opinion.[2]

British Security Co-ordination - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Its cover was the British Passport Control Office. BSC benefitted from support given by the chief of the US Office of Strategic Services, William J. Donovan (whose organisation was modelled on British activities), and US President Franklin D. Roosevelt who was staunchly anti-Nazi.[3

Since the victors write the history and perpetuate the same disinformation they fabricated before and during the war and critical literacy is shunned in American schools, most Americans are gullible enough to believe the simplistic falsehood that: " The other side started WW 2"

America's "Hollywood educated" rubes are oblivious to America's pre War provocations both in the Atlantic and the Pacific, the Hitler - Hess peace offer that Churchill rejected, Stalin's plans to invade Germany and all of the West on "M - Day" and calls for the sterilization of the entire German population by American war mongers.

I'm familiar with the source you cited and have cited a different excerpt from that same source.

"Pearl Harbor: Hawaii Was Surprised; FDR Was Not"
Pearl Harbor: Hawaii Was Surprised; FDR Was Not

EXCERPT "Comprehensive research has shown not only that Washington knew in advance of the attack on Pearl Harbor, but that it deliberately withheld its foreknowledge from our commanders in Hawaii in the hope that the "surprise" attack would catapult the U.S. into World War II.

"Oliver Lyttleton, British Minister of Production, stated in 1944: “Japan was provoked into attacking America at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty of history to say that America was forced into the war.”

"Although FDR desired to directly involve the United States in the Second World War, his intentions sharply contradicted his public pronouncements. A pre-war Gallup poll showed 88 percent of Americans opposed U.S. involvement in the European war. " CONTINUED

Another source exposes the extensive manipulation of the American public by British intelligence agencies(1) and FDR's complicity in deliberate frauds like a fake map showing fake German invasion points of South and North America. (2)

In the study of WW 2 as with the study of all conflicts, it is important to remember George Orwell's timeless observation:

"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past." (3)

Thanks,





(1). "The conquest of the United States by Britain"
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/mahl.htm

EXCERPT "Mahl evaluates British intelligence activities in the United States as "one of the most important and successful covert operations of history." (p. 186) What is most astounding, however, is not the British activity but the collaboration by the Roosevelt administration. For while Britain was simply pursuing her perceived national interest, Roosevelt's cooperation with the intelligence service of a foreign state could certainly be labeled as treasonous.

BSC made use of any means, legal or illegal, to fight those it deemed enemies of Britain, a classification that consisted mainly of non-interventionist Americans who wanted to keep the United States out of the war, rather than actual German agents. [5] In essence, BSC sought to override the democratic will of the American people in the interests of the British government; and, most significantly, in this effort it was aided and abetted by the Roosevelt administration.”CONTINUED


(2). “A Map of Nazi South America (Forged by the British)”

“This map makes clear the Nazi design, not only against South America but against the United States as well”, said FDR

A Map of Nazi South America (Forged by the British)

“This map makes clear the Nazi design, not only against South America but against the United States as well”, said FDR

bigthink.com

EXCERPT "“Hitler has often protested that his plans for conquest do not extend across the Atlantic Ocean. I have in my possession a secret map, made in Germany by Hitler’s government – by the planners of the new world order. It is a map of South America and a part of Central America as Hitler proposes to reorganize it,” revealed US President Franklin D. Roosevelt in his Navy Day address to the nation, broadcast on 27 October 1941". CONTINUED


(3). Forbes Quotes.

 

[Mushroom]

I wasn’t drawing comparisons. I was addressing the charge of Americans not having any interest in Europe.

No, you are making claims that do nothing to back that up. By almost 2 to 1, expat Americans remain right in the Americas. Canada being the main location that most will go to, Mexico being number 2.

And moving to live somewhere has nothing to do with that. I love Japanese culture and history, and have lived there in the past. But trust me, I will never-ever-ever emigrate to Japan.

 

[expat500]

No, you are making claims that do nothing to back that up. By almost 2 to 1, expat Americans remain right in the Americas. Canada being the main location that most will go to, Mexico being number 2.

And moving to live somewhere has nothing to do with that. I love Japanese culture and history, and have lived there in the past. But trust me, I will never-ever-ever emigrate to Japan.

Total misunderstanding.

Let’s leave it at that.

 

[Stryder50]

What's your problem?
This is a debate forum and you're only communicating that you can't refute anything I just wrote.

I've been civil and respectful while supporting irrefutable facts that neither you nor the conspicuously mute Stryder50 simply don't like.

I do not support Hamas and am only stating the fact that Netanyahu etc cannot kill their way to security.

My first loyalty is to America and America's aiding and abetting what about half of Americans consider genocide(1) is not in America's best interests.

As long as foreign lobbies like AIPAC shape US Middle East policy, generations of young Americans will die for Israel's regional hegemony:

“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

(1). "Half of Americans think Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, UMass-Amherst/WCVB poll finds"​

Half of Americans think Israel is committing genocide, poll finds

While slightly more than half of Americans support Israel's war in Gaza, half of Americans also believe Israel is committing genocide, the poll finds.

www.wcvb.com

Like a typical Leftist you accuse anyone who disagrees with your position of "snarky and puerile personal attacks". Which you then engage in yourself.

My "conspicuously mute" is due to;
1) I don't live on this forum 24/7/365, perched on my seat awaiting posts to instantly reply to.
2) Here in the PNW we are having a bit of nonseasonal dry and almost warm weather so I've been busy in the back yard; pruning and trimming trees, clearing and prepping garden plots, and other such chores. Only popping on this forum for quick views but with little time for posting/replies. (Especially to vacuous and hubris laden prejudicial neo-Nazis)

There is no neutral in this issue. By not supporting Israel you ARE SUPPORTING Hamas and the inhumane atrocities they did and the hostile, anti-Jew, anti-Israel agenda they espouse.

Your loyalty is not to the America(USA) of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, but rather to the Leftist, socialist/communist agenda of internal disruption and insurrection to change from founding principles of Life, Liberty, Prosperity to those of tyrannical fascism.

As long as foreign lobbies like CAIR;

Council on American-Islamic Relations - Wikipedia​

About Us - Council on American-Islamic Relations​

There will be a need for AIPAC;

AIPAC - Wikipedia​

AIPAC​

As for this trash source;

"Half of Americans think Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, UMass-Amherst/WCVB poll finds"​

EXCERT;
...
Fifty-three percent of respondents to a recent UMass-Amherst/WCVB poll said they somewhat or strongly support Israel's actions. Only 26% said they somewhat or strongly opposed them.
...
Sounds like twice as many support Israel's actions as oppose such.
Then this;
...
"A majority of women, a majority of people of color, a majority of Democrats and progressives and young people believe that this is genocide," Professor Tatishe M. Nteta, who directs the poll, said. "Whereas, on the other side, you see Republicans and conservatives, older Americans, men having an opposite view. This issue has become, in some ways, a flashpoint or at least a reflection of many of the divides that we see in our country today."

The national poll is based on responses from 1,064 individuals who answered the survey between Jan. 25 and Jan. 30. The margin of error is 3.7%.
...
Which underscores that polls are rarely objective or accurate as the results depend upon respondents who rarely reflect the real demographics of this nation. In this case, barely over 1,000 is not considered a statistically accurate range.

Your bias and prejudice (hatred) of Jews and Israel is very clear in this and your other posts here.

BTW, you are swerving off topic of this thread.

​

 

[Stryder50]

First, I don't remember seeing any of your posts with any supporting sources/links.

Second, what's with the snarky and puerile personal attacks?

If you had read anything I've written you would have seen that have been able to support my assertions with something other than Zionist dominated Wikipedia. (1), (2), (3)


(1). "Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY


(2) "The right's latest weapon: 'Zionist editing' on Wikipedia" Haaretz"
https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia-haaretz.html

EXCERPT"Now the Yesha Council of settlements and another right-wing group, Israel Sheli, are embarking on a Wikipedia battle: Zionist editing on the Web-based encyclopedia.

The course was designed to teach how to register for, contribute to and edit for Wikipedia."CONTINUED


(3) "Zionist Control of WikiPedia"
http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia

My posts on this thread with supporting sources/links can be found in numbers;
4,10,12,14,17,23,24,31
For a start predating this post of yours.