Dr George Miley Gets 1st US Patent for a LENR/"Cold Fusion" Device

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    George Miley’s LENR Patent | LENR - COLD FUSION


    The patent
    Patent US8227020 - Dislocation site formation techniques - Google Patents

    A theory of how it works....
    Is the “Weak Force” the Key to LENR?
     
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    At least there's one piece of hard evidence support LENR. About time...

    I think it is a few decades off from being integrated into society.
     
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    So the demo that has been running at MIT for the last 9 months with a COP of 20+ doesnt count?

    I am fascinated at how much grip the science establishment has on peoples thinnking when the trend has always been that the more disruptive a new technology is, the less likely the scientific establishment is to accepting it as legit. This goes back to the Wright brothers, mechanical harvesters and steam powered ships.

    At least continue to keep an open mind.

    BTW, if Rossi is not a fraud, and I seriously doubt that he is, his 1MW units are going on sale now. In three months his first nonmilitary customer will have the unit installed and open to potential customers for inspection. How long do you think it will take for companies to start buying those units?

    I suspect it will be like the spread of most new tech these past twelve years or so, like the iphone. By 2015 these things will be all over the place, and by 2020 most US homes will have some kind of LENR device providing some amount of power. It will catch on even faster in Europe where the EU has been quick to look hard at this new technology.
     
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    So where's the gamma, with either Rossi or Miley or Hagelstein's MIT demo? If there's no gamma radiation emitted, then there's no fusion going on.

    Before these guys talk about commercializing it, it would be nice if they could simply make it reproducable. Explaining that lack of any gamma radiation would be another plus, given that the gamma (or possibly neutron) radiation is how fusion makes heat. Just what is the physical mechanism of heat creation if no radiation is being emitted?
     
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    That is right BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUSION GOING ON!

    It is something nuclear, but not fusion, probably so kind of neutron capture. If you would read a bit on the theories for LENR you would have answers, dude.

    It *is* reproducable now, bubba.

    There are a number of theories and Widom Larsen is the most popular at the moment, but other things could explain it as well.

    New Energy Times - Widom-Larsen Theory Portal


     
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    Reproducable means you can describe it in a paper to a degree where someone else can follow the design and make it work. So far, that hasn't happened. But let me guess. They can't do that, because they're afraid someone will steal their idea. What a convenient excuse, one we've never seen before.

    Cold neutrons? Still no good. The fusing neutrons would create new elements, some of which would beta decay, and gamma would still be emitted. And given that some of the material is on the edge and gamma flies in all directions, there's no way 100% of the gamma it could be magically absorbed by the chromodynamic module powered by a tri-polymer plasma (to give an example of similar technobabble).

    Nice technobabble, but it still doesn't explain the complete lack of gamma.
     
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    And that is done all the time, hell even a high school class did it in Italy, lol.

    Yes, it has so happened.

    Huh? Miley's patent is linked in the OP.

    Some is, but it is very low amounts that are less than background gama radiation. And no one is fusing neutron, they are slipping neutron into a heavy atoms nucleas and it then decayse releasing an electron or the proton and electron collapse into a neutron and that emits energy as well.

    You seem to be thinking fusion again, and this is not fusion.

    It isnt technobably, genius, as it is patented, central to emerging certified technology and has been accepted by scientists all ovver the world to include some nobel prize winners.

    So on what basis do you simply dismiss this all as technobably? Because y ou dont understand it?
     
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