Does the 2nd Amendment Cover Ammo?

...There is nothing Constitutional about executive orders, it is a tradition started by George Washington...
Hmmmmm... I knew there was a juicy rationalization in there someplace, but that got me Googling for it, and led me to do a little lightweight wiki-reading on the subject, to begin to remedy my ignorance on the subject... thanks...

Executive order - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

An interesting and grey-area aspect of national governance...
 
I've heard some say that it does and others say that POTUS is able to sign an executive order banning ammo.

First of all, there is zero chance of that happening which any person of even minimal intelligence understands. Furthermore, Executive Orders have to be Constitutional and banning ammunition would not be Constitutional because it would be an act of the president legislating unilaterally. Legislation has to be passed by the Congress. The president can't write and declare his own laws.

Executive orders have to be constitutional? Have you been paying attention to this president?
There is nothing Constitutional about executive orders, it is a tradition started by George Washington...

Wrong. They're only constitutional when given within the confines of laws already passed by Congress and do not expressly contradict those laws. That's why President You-didn't-build-that's EO's on immigration are illegal, because they specifically militate against the laws passed by Congress.
 
Now that's an interesting argument, that the ratifiers of the Constitution were thinking only of the firearm, not the balls, powder, wadding, or ramrod. Are you seriously posing that argument?

I don't think it matters to you, you'd bow in total submission to the police when they come to take your ammo.

You're turning into a troll. I used to like you.
 
I've heard some say that it does and others say that POTUS is able to sign an executive order banning ammo.
BATFE wants to lift the AP exemption on 5.56x45 SS109 rounds because there are handguns based on AR-15 receivers.
The justification for this change is utter BS and aims to do nothing more than raise the price of .223/5.56x45 ammo.

The actions of this regime are a tribute to the NRA and other gun rights groups. If all the Demons can do is TEMPORARILY fluctuate the price of ammo, that means that they are impotent indeed, having been deprived of more effective tools of disarmament by the defenders of the 2nd Amendment. This is actually good news and progress considering they had the power before to ban "assault" weapons.
 
Now that's an interesting argument, that the ratifiers of the Constitution were thinking only of the firearm, not the balls, powder, wadding, or ramrod. Are you seriously posing that argument?

I don't think it matters to you, you'd bow in total submission to the police when they come to take your ammo.

You're turning into a troll. I used to like you.

You're the one who clearly stated that any person who plans on using their Second Amendment right to resist tyranny should be locked up in a mental institution.

You say the Second Amendment is there to resist tyrants, right? Who exactly do you think will be protecting the tyrants? The easter bunny? You think Obama himself is going to show up to your door to take your ammo, or will it be the police?

What will YOU do when the POLICE come for the ammunition and firearms?

Should all of these veterans have been locked up in a mental institution for taking up arms against police brutality?

 
The Second refers to the formation of regulated milita, and uses the natural right of self-defense as justification.

The Supreme Court already ruled that your argument is bullshit. Yes, they actually ruled that you are an ass.
What's the Federal Code Annotated I can research that with?
District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
thanks...
 
Now that's an interesting argument, that the ratifiers of the Constitution were thinking only of the firearm, not the balls, powder, wadding, or ramrod. Are you seriously posing that argument?

I don't think it matters to you, you'd bow in total submission to the police when they come to take your ammo.

You're turning into a troll. I used to like you.

You're the one who clearly stated that any person who plans on using their Second Amendment right to resist tyranny should be locked up in a mental institution.

You say the Second Amendment is there to resist tyrants, right? Who exactly do you think will be protecting the tyrants? The easter bunny? You think Obama himself is going to show up to your door to take your ammo, or will it be the police?

What will YOU do when the POLICE come for the ammunition and firearms?

Keep your fantasies about killing police officers to your damn self, Loony toons.
 
You're the one who clearly stated that any person who plans on using their Second Amendment right to resist tyranny should be locked up in a mental institution.

You say the Second Amendment is there to resist tyrants, right? Who exactly do you think will be protecting the tyrants? The easter bunny? You think Obama himself is going to show up to your door to take your ammo, or will it be the police?

What will YOU do when the POLICE come for the ammunition and firearms?

Keep your fantasies about killing police officers to your damn self, Loony toons.

Why can't you tell us when it would be ok to use our Second Amendment rights against a tyrannical police officer? Even the SCOTUS has ruled a citizen can kill a police officer in self-defense.

If you can't give a solid answer to this question, you'll be proving yourself as a sleeper left-wing plant.
 
To recap, the Second actually doesn't defend the right to bear arms. Rather it uses the right to bear arms to justify the formation of regulated militias.

The reason for this is that the right to bear arms is a natural right and thus does not require government approval. It's a natural right because it's part of the right to defend oneself and loved ones.

On the other hand, defending strangers (like fellow countrymen) is not a natural right and requires government enforcement. Ironically, that's where the Second comes in, together with Art. 1 Sec. 8 and the Militia Acts.

Finally, natural rights may be abridged by law for one reason or another. Hence, government units may impose gun control. In turn, citizens who are against this may vote for government officials who do not support such.
 
To recap, the Second actually doesn't defend the right to bear arms. Rather it uses the right to bear arms to justify the formation of regulated militias.

The reason for this is that the right to bear arms is a natural right and thus does not require government approval. It's a natural right because it's part of the right to defend oneself and loved ones.

On the other hand, defending strangers (like fellow countrymen) is not a natural right and requires government enforcement. Ironically, that's where the Second comes in, together with Art. 1 Sec. 8 and the Militia Acts.

Finally, natural rights may be abridged by law for one reason or another. Hence, government units may impose gun control. In turn, citizens who are against this may vote for government officials who do not support such.

Horseshit. All the rights listed in the Bill of Rights are natural rights. What part of "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" doesn't protect the right to bear arms?

Furthermore, how can you say rights can be infringed when the BOR says it shall not be infringed? You're spewing government doublespeak.
 
To recap, the Second actually doesn't defend the right to bear arms. Rather it uses the right to bear arms to justify the formation of regulated militias.

The reason for this is that the right to bear arms is a natural right and thus does not require government approval. It's a natural right because it's part of the right to defend oneself and loved ones.

On the other hand, defending strangers (like fellow countrymen) is not a natural right and requires government enforcement. Ironically, that's where the Second comes in, together with Art. 1 Sec. 8 and the Militia Acts.

Finally, natural rights may be abridged by law for one reason or another. Hence, government units may impose gun control. In turn, citizens who are against this may vote for government officials who do not support such.

Horseshit. All the rights listed in the Bill of Rights are natural rights. What part of "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" doesn't protect the right to bear arms?

Furthermore, how can you say rights can be infringed when the BOR says it shall not be infringed? You're spewing government doublespeak.

Read the next half of the Second.

Rights can be abridged by the law for many reasons. That's why those in prison are not allowed to bear arms. That's why some states practice capital punishment.
 
To recap, the Second actually doesn't defend the right to bear arms. Rather it uses the right to bear arms to justify the formation of regulated militias.

The reason for this is that the right to bear arms is a natural right and thus does not require government approval. It's a natural right because it's part of the right to defend oneself and loved ones.

On the other hand, defending strangers (like fellow countrymen) is not a natural right and requires government enforcement. Ironically, that's where the Second comes in, together with Art. 1 Sec. 8 and the Militia Acts.

Finally, natural rights may be abridged by law for one reason or another. Hence, government units may impose gun control. In turn, citizens who are against this may vote for government officials who do not support such.

Horseshit. All the rights listed in the Bill of Rights are natural rights. What part of "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" doesn't protect the right to bear arms?

Furthermore, how can you say rights can be infringed when the BOR says it shall not be infringed? You're spewing government doublespeak.

Read the next half of the Second.

Rights can be abridged by the law for many reasons. That's why those in prison are not allowed to bear arms. That's why some states practice capital punishment.

That part is purely explanatory. It has no legal implications.

Only boot-licking government toadies believe the government can abridge your rights. The constitution says your rights can be abridged only by "due process of law." That means a jury trial. That's the only way your rights can be abridged. The ATF doesn't have the authority to abridge your 2nd Amendment rights with some Obama Executive Order.
 
To recap, the Second actually doesn't defend the right to bear arms. Rather it uses the right to bear arms to justify the formation of regulated militias.

The reason for this is that the right to bear arms is a natural right and thus does not require government approval. It's a natural right because it's part of the right to defend oneself and loved ones.

On the other hand, defending strangers (like fellow countrymen) is not a natural right and requires government enforcement. Ironically, that's where the Second comes in, together with Art. 1 Sec. 8 and the Militia Acts.

Finally, natural rights may be abridged by law for one reason or another. Hence, government units may impose gun control. In turn, citizens who are against this may vote for government officials who do not support such.

Horseshit. All the rights listed in the Bill of Rights are natural rights. What part of "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" doesn't protect the right to bear arms?

Furthermore, how can you say rights can be infringed when the BOR says it shall not be infringed? You're spewing government doublespeak.

Read the next half of the Second.

Rights can be abridged by the law for many reasons. That's why those in prison are not allowed to bear arms. That's why some states practice capital punishment.

That part is purely explanatory. It has no legal implications.

Only boot-licking government toadies believe the government can abridge your rights. The constitution says your rights can be abridged only by "due process of law." That means a jury trial. That's the only way your rights can be abridged. The ATF doesn't have the authority to abridge your 2nd Amendment rights with some Obama Executive Order.

You just proved my argument!

Also, apparently you've not heard of gun permits, etc.

Jury trial. LOL.
 
To recap, the Second actually doesn't defend the right to bear arms. Rather it uses the right to bear arms to justify the formation of regulated militias.

The reason for this is that the right to bear arms is a natural right and thus does not require government approval. It's a natural right because it's part of the right to defend oneself and loved ones.

On the other hand, defending strangers (like fellow countrymen) is not a natural right and requires government enforcement. Ironically, that's where the Second comes in, together with Art. 1 Sec. 8 and the Militia Acts.

Finally, natural rights may be abridged by law for one reason or another. Hence, government units may impose gun control. In turn, citizens who are against this may vote for government officials who do not support such.

Horseshit. All the rights listed in the Bill of Rights are natural rights. What part of "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" doesn't protect the right to bear arms?

Furthermore, how can you say rights can be infringed when the BOR says it shall not be infringed? You're spewing government doublespeak.

Read the next half of the Second.

Rights can be abridged by the law for many reasons. That's why those in prison are not allowed to bear arms. That's why some states practice capital punishment.

That part is purely explanatory. It has no legal implications.

Only boot-licking government toadies believe the government can abridge your rights. The constitution says your rights can be abridged only by "due process of law." That means a jury trial. That's the only way your rights can be abridged. The ATF doesn't have the authority to abridge your 2nd Amendment rights with some Obama Executive Order.

You just proved my argument!

Also, apparently you've not heard of gun permits, etc.

Jury trial. LOL.

I'm well aware of the fact that government infringes on our Constitutional rights, and it has come up with a thousand excuses for doing so. It also has an army of toadies that will defend its actions. Apparently you believe that since murder still occurs that it must be legal.
 
To recap, the Second actually doesn't defend the right to bear arms. Rather it uses the right to bear arms to justify the formation of regulated militias.

The reason for this is that the right to bear arms is a natural right and thus does not require government approval. It's a natural right because it's part of the right to defend oneself and loved ones.

On the other hand, defending strangers (like fellow countrymen) is not a natural right and requires government enforcement. Ironically, that's where the Second comes in, together with Art. 1 Sec. 8 and the Militia Acts.

Finally, natural rights may be abridged by law for one reason or another. Hence, government units may impose gun control. In turn, citizens who are against this may vote for government officials who do not support such.

Horseshit. All the rights listed in the Bill of Rights are natural rights. What part of "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" doesn't protect the right to bear arms?

Furthermore, how can you say rights can be infringed when the BOR says it shall not be infringed? You're spewing government doublespeak.

Read the next half of the Second.

Rights can be abridged by the law for many reasons. That's why those in prison are not allowed to bear arms. That's why some states practice capital punishment.

That part is purely explanatory. It has no legal implications.

Only boot-licking government toadies believe the government can abridge your rights. The constitution says your rights can be abridged only by "due process of law." That means a jury trial. That's the only way your rights can be abridged. The ATF doesn't have the authority to abridge your 2nd Amendment rights with some Obama Executive Order.

You just proved my argument!

Also, apparently you've not heard of gun permits, etc.

Jury trial. LOL.

I'm well aware of the fact that government infringes on our Constitutional rights, and it has come up with a thousand excuses for doing so. It also has an army of toadies that will defend its actions. Apparently you believe that since murder still occurs that it must be legal.

Abridging is not the same as infringing. The first refers to curtailing a right for certain individuals while the second refers to removing the right for everyone.

Thus, the right to bear arms remains, but it can be abridged if, say, the police has to do a background check on the gun owner.

Your last point makes no sense at all.
 

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