Discussion in 'Politics' started by Gunny, Mar 26, 2008.
A history lesson.
funny that the other side of the fence gets to ponder what constitutes a blatant lie these days, eh?
She lied. That's wrong.
Now let's hold both sides to the same standard.
Obama in 08.
But it's truly rich that the right wing all of a sudden gets litigious about what constitutes a lie. I mean, if Clinton was told there were snipers and she believed her advisors and used this info to push a political agenda...
rich. rich indeed.
It's pretty simple really. A lie requires the intent to deceive. It requires knowing the truth beforehand. If you can prove that Bush meets either of those criteria, you have a case that he lied. If you can't provide evidence that he knew something beforehand and presented something contradictory to that then you don't have a case.
does the same apply to clinton then or do we revisit those requirements when applied to a democrat? Can you prove Clinton didn't KNOW that there were not snipers? That she was never advised on as much and merely wanted to mis-state the truth in a purposeful manner that is rife with devious intent?
It's still rich, dude. Like a chocolate covered log of fudge dipped in brown sugar and confectionery sugar.
Ha! I can prove she didn't make a mad dash off the runway "running with her head down" under sniper fire! Which is, oddly enough, how she chose to describe it.
The decision to go to war in Iraq was based on bad intel - intel that didn't prove to be true - but still, intel from the US and British governments. Saddam may not have had facilities to build WMDs, but he sure was acting like he did, refusing to cooperate with UN weapons inspectors.
You can say the administration bit off more than they could chew by getting into this war, but that doesn't make them liars. I don't think George Bush exercised very good judgement about the war, but lack of good judgement is not the same as lack of integrity.
could that be any less facetious on her part than "phantom Weapons of Mass Destruction" has turned out for bush?
yup.. still rich as hell.
you can take your opinion to the polls, dude. wear it on a shirt while voting. dancing around bush's less than honest statements probably doesn't make it ironic to throw clinton under the bus.
'Misspeak' is a dainty way of saying I lied without the intent of deceit but with stupidity to back it up. Kind of like when Hillary said she was the first lady since Eleanor Roosevelt to visit a war zone....Er...Wrong again. That honor would go to Pat Nixon.
Whoever is on her fact checking staff should be fired!
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