Documenting the crime of torture in the Palestinian Authority’s Territories

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    What this report shows with such stark clarity is that the Western discourse of liberal good governance and rights, which sounds very nice because they relate to real human aspirations, is a façade behind which a police state has emerged. A security-led project of this nature – with its economic aspect as well as its ‘law enforcement’ dimension – has little relation to true institution or state-building. It is no accident that parliamentary oversight, accountability and systems of justice have atrophied, whilst massive Western assistance has been directed to so-called ‘security-service reform’.
    Alastair Crooke
    Former adviser to EU Foreign Policy Chief, Javier Solana, and director of Conflicts Forum

    http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk...in-the-palestinian-authoritys-territories.pdf
     
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    The Hamas kill and torture their own people. That's a pretty low order.

    They took their Fatah brothers in Gaza and threw them off roofs, shot them and still can not work together.

    That's their problem, not Israels.

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    Yes, Israeli sites. Hamas doesn't let much of this out. We get it out though.

    Others too.

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    Ahhh, you didn't look at the report.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

    These recalcitrant positions come after Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) previous statements that he will not negotiate with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and expects President Obama to bring about Netanyahu’s downfall.

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    This is happening right now. Hamas is clear, when they are not speaking. Otherwise, they are clear when they choose who and how to speak their case.

    But the writing is clear.
     
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    "If we are building a police state -- what are we actually doing here?" So asked a European diplomat responding to allegations of torture by the Palestinian security forces. The diplomat might well ask. A police state is not a state. It is a form of larceny: of people's rights, aspirations and sacrifices, for the personal benefit of an élite. This is not what the world meant when it called for statehood. But a police state is what is being assiduously constructed in Palestine, disguised as state-building and good governance. Under this guise, its intent is to facilitate the authoritarianism which creates sufficient popular dependency -- and fear -- to strangle any opposition.

    The transition from the lofty aspiration of statehood to a scheme intended to usher West Bank Palestinians into a new alleviated containment -- a new form of remotely-managed occupation -- is not some unfortunate error. The roots of this manipulation of the Palestinian aspiration into its opposite -- cynically dressed up and sold as statehood -- were present from the outset. Professor Yezid Sayyigh has shown how U.S. and EU rhetoric "promoting democratic development and the rule of law is pious at best, at worst disingenuous". Both America and Europe bear responsibilities for this betrayal.


    The seed of this deception which was to grow into a new police state in the region was the US and European acquiescence to Israel's self-definition of its own security needs -- and by extension, Israel's definition of the requirements for Palestinian security collaboration. This Faustian pact, which prioritized Israel's security-led criteria as the boundaries for negotiations -- above any principles of justice -- set the scene for the inevitable inflation of Israeli demands of security collusion by the Palestinian leadership -- demands on which America's ‘war on terrorism' poured fuel.

    Building a police state in Palestine | The Middle East Channel
     
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    MEMRI Mobile - - Mus'ab Hassan Yousuf, Son of Hamas Leader in the West Bank: The God of Islam Suffers from Split Personality; Muhammad - a False Prophet
     
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    I never read any of your sources that you post PF.

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    Ignorant by choice.

    Interesting concept.
     
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    You are a troll. When I discuss with you it is a one sided discussion with a troll.

    That you don't see this is the true mark of your inability to see reality.
     
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    The thread is about the PA in the West Bank and you come back with propaganda about Hamas.

    What kind of discussion is that? It would help if you could stay on topic.
     

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