Do you notice how RWs never establish a line on their 2nd amendment rights?

to the OP. I believe in the second amendment. I also believe that no average citizen needs an assault rifle, a bazooka, or a tank. Bazookas and tanks are easy to control. the problem arises when we try to define an assault rifle. My definition would be any gun that can be set for continuous fire. As long as you have to pull the trigger on each round, it should be permitted.
IMHO.
 
no average citizen needs an assault rifle
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a bazooka
Yes we do.

or a tank
Gotta disagree with you, Redfish.
 
no average citizen needs an assault rifle
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a bazooka
Yes we do.

or a tank
Gotta disagree with you, Redfish.


that's fine, we can disagree. I don't think you need a bazooka or a tank, or should be allowed to buy either. I don't know why any non police or non military citizen needs a machine gun either. But I understand your slippery slope argument.


Heller, as written by Scalia has a pretty good breakdown......,all bearable arms are allowed with the caveat that unusual, and dangerous are able to be limited....a bazooka, though bearable is unusual....and dangerous in that it is an area effect weapon......tanks are not bearable......

Civilian self defense rifles, like the AR-15, the civilian model of the AK-47 and other semi auto rifles are covered by the 2nd Amendment in that they are bearable and in common use.......

The problem? The anti gunners will not stop until all access to guns is banned or so limited to normal people that they are essentially banned....
 
no average citizen needs an assault rifle
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a bazooka
Yes we do.

or a tank
Gotta disagree with you, Redfish.


that's fine, we can disagree. I don't think you need a bazooka or a tank, or should be allowed to buy either. I don't know why any non police or non military citizen needs a machine gun either. But I understand your slippery slope argument.


Heller, as written by Scalia has a pretty good breakdown......,all bearable arms are allowed with the caveat that unusual, and dangerous are able to be limited....a bazooka, though bearable is unusual....and dangerous in that it is an area effect weapon......tanks are not bearable......

Civilian self defense rifles, like the AR-15, the civilian model of the AK-47 and other semi auto rifles are covered by the 2nd Amendment in that they are bearable and in common use.......

The problem? The anti gunners will not stop until all access to guns is banned or so limited to normal people that they are essentially banned....


I am on your side, believe me. But I must take issue with your description of AR-15 and AK-47 as self defense weapons. A shotgun is a self defense weapon, A 38 special is a self defense weapon, a hammer is a self defense weapon. Those guns are assault weapons, designed to kill a lot of people in a very short period of time.

You hurt our argument when you mischaracterize certain guns.
 
no average citizen needs an assault rifle
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a bazooka
Yes we do.

or a tank
Gotta disagree with you, Redfish.


that's fine, we can disagree. I don't think you need a bazooka or a tank, or should be allowed to buy either. I don't know why any non police or non military citizen needs a machine gun either. But I understand your slippery slope argument.


Heller, as written by Scalia has a pretty good breakdown......,all bearable arms are allowed with the caveat that unusual, and dangerous are able to be limited....a bazooka, though bearable is unusual....and dangerous in that it is an area effect weapon......tanks are not bearable......

Civilian self defense rifles, like the AR-15, the civilian model of the AK-47 and other semi auto rifles are covered by the 2nd Amendment in that they are bearable and in common use.......

The problem? The anti gunners will not stop until all access to guns is banned or so limited to normal people that they are essentially banned....


I am on your side, believe me. But I must take issue with your description of AR-15 and AK-47 as self defense weapons. A shotgun is a self defense weapon, A 38 special is a self defense weapon, a hammer is a self defense weapon. Those guns are assault weapons, designed to kill a lot of people in a very short period of time.

You hurt our argument when you mischaracterize certain guns.


No...they are self defense weapons...they are not assault weapons...a category created by gun grabbers.....they aren't military weapons...military weapons have a selector lever which swirtches them from semi auto, to 3 round burst and to fully automatic.....civilian self defense rifles do not have that feature. They are not designed to kill a lot of people in a short time, they are designed to not need to be manually loaded every time you fire......which is hat a civilian facing multiple attackers needs........these are civilian and law enforcement weapons......

You are the one mischaracterizing these guns...
 
I am on your side, believe me. But I must take issue with your description of AR-15 and AK-47 as self defense weapons. A shotgun is a self defense weapon, A 38 special is a self defense weapon, a hammer is a self defense weapon. Those guns are assault weapons, designed to kill a lot of people in a very short period of time.

You hurt our argument when you mischaracterize certain guns.
An AR-15 is a lot easier for my 110 lb wife to use that a blow-your-fucking-shoulder-off 12 gauge. It's also better than a handgun because a shouldered weapon is more accurate. The only weapon better than an AR-15 for home defense is an AR-15 pistol with subsonic rounds.
 
I am on your side, believe me. But I must take issue with your description of AR-15 and AK-47 as self defense weapons. A shotgun is a self defense weapon, A 38 special is a self defense weapon, a hammer is a self defense weapon. Those guns are assault weapons, designed to kill a lot of people in a very short period of time.

You hurt our argument when you mischaracterize certain guns.
An AR-15 is a lot easier for my 110 lb wife to use that a blow-your-fucking-shoulder-off 12 gauge. It's also better than a handgun because a shouldered weapon is more accurate. The only weapon better than an AR-15 for home defense is an AR-15 pistol with subsonic rounds.
I don't have any semi-auto handguns in the house with self defence in mind.
I only have 'wheel guns'.
Even an eight year old can be trained to use them.
Jam a semi in a panic situation and you're dead.
 
I am on your side, believe me. But I must take issue with your description of AR-15 and AK-47 as self defense weapons. A shotgun is a self defense weapon, A 38 special is a self defense weapon, a hammer is a self defense weapon. Those guns are assault weapons, designed to kill a lot of people in a very short period of time.

You hurt our argument when you mischaracterize certain guns.
An AR-15 is a lot easier for my 110 lb wife to use that a blow-your-fucking-shoulder-off 12 gauge. It's also better than a handgun because a shouldered weapon is more accurate. The only weapon better than an AR-15 for home defense is an AR-15 pistol with subsonic rounds.
I don't have any semi-auto handguns in the house with self defence in mind.
I only have 'wheel guns'.
Even an eight year old can be trained to use them.
Jam a semi in a panic situation and you're dead.
Most wheel guns are double-action = semi-auto.

A well-maintained semi-auto will not jam. An AR-15 is very easy to clear if it jams. And you get 30 rounds minimum before reload.
 
Notice how liberals want to take away everyone's rights they don't believe in but defend theirs...even try to force others to comply with them?

Hmmm....who else did that? Oh yeah:
Hitler, Pol Pot, Stallin...
 
natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions
Who said?

You don't even know what the fuck you are saying.

Do you even know what natural rights are?

I have NEVER seen, read, or heard anyone opine that natural rights are protected by the states v. Fed Gov. Either you are making shit up or you are talking to, and believing) ignoramuses.
dude, nobody takes the right wing seriously about the law or politics. appeals to ignorance is all y'all seem to be good for.

natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions
Do you even know what you just typed?

Nobody takes you seriously.

Show me the authority on which you are relying in claiming that State Constitutions (rather than the US constitution) secure natural rights.

Or, you're just making shit up. (More likely)
Yes, I do. It is why I personally, never take You seriously about this specific topic.

natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions

Why not read your own State Constitution and stop appealing to ignorance.
 
stop appealing to ignorance.
You clearly do not know what argumentum ad ignorantiam means. You're just using it because some idiot you listen to uses it.

By the way, demanding evidence to support your position is not argumentum ad ignorantiam. You have the burden to prove your idiotic position.

So, prove it or fuck off.
 
natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions
Why don't you prove it?

I have provided tons of proof backing my positions. Where is your?

Who gives a fuck what you thing?

NOBODY takes your insignificant ass seriously. You're a nobody.
Natural rights are secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

It is why nobody on the left, takes the right wing seriously about anything, much less morals, economics, the law, politics, or even being legal to the law instead of merely practicing the abomination of hypocrisy, and blaming less fortunate illegals.

All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.
 
stop appealing to ignorance.
You clearly do not know what argumentum ad ignorantiam means. You're just using it because some idiot you listen to uses it.

By the way, demanding evidence to support your position is not argumentum ad ignorantiam. You have the burden to prove your idiotic position.

So, prove it or fuck off.
Appeals to ignorance is All the right wing has; slackers claiming a hard work ethic from the Age of Iron, is important in modern times.
 
Appeals to ignorance is All the right wing has; slackers claiming a hard work ethic from the Age of Iron, is important in modern times.
:lol:

You don't even know what the fuck that means, and you expect us to take you seriously?

I bet you take my guns seriously, don't you?
Nothing but appeal to Ignorance is all You have, right winger.
 
natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions
Why don't you prove it?

I have provided tons of proof backing my positions. Where is your?

Who gives a fuck what you thing?

NOBODY takes your insignificant ass seriously. You're a nobody.
Natural rights are secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

It is why nobody on the left, takes the right wing seriously about anything, much less morals, economics, the law, politics, or even being legal to the law instead of merely practicing the abomination of hypocrisy, and blaming less fortunate illegals.

All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.
No one should take conservatives seriously because they’re consistently wrong on the issues – or they’re lying about the issues.
 

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