Do the Dems/Liberals want ISIS to control Iraq or not?

[TheJedi]

Really, who cares? They will never have the capability to harm us here. All they will do is spend most of their time killing people in their own region. We can use a squad of drones to lay the whole country to waste without ever risking an American life if they get out of line. We can send the back to the stone age in about 4-6 hours destroying all their military assets in the process. They would have to build a raft and come at us with wooden spears and rocks.

 

[tinydancer]

Really, who cares? They will never have the capability to harm us here. All they will do is spend most of their time killing people in their own region. We can use a squad of drones to lay the whole country to waste without ever risking an American life if they get out of line. We can send the back to the stone age in about 4-6 hours destroying all their military assets in the process. They would have to build a raft and come at us with wooden spears and rocks.

Just by taking over Mosul they scored $400 million in one shot. ISIS is now not only the most powerful terrorist group on the planet but the richest as well.

If they grab Baghdad they will be wealthy beyond comprehension. Then anything is possible.

And if you believe that the US will ever just "pound them back to the stone age" you must believe in the tooth fairy.

Won't happen.

 

[TheJedi]

Really, who cares? They will never have the capability to harm us here. All they will do is spend most of their time killing people in their own region. We can use a squad of drones to lay the whole country to waste without ever risking an American life if they get out of line. We can send the back to the stone age in about 4-6 hours destroying all their military assets in the process. They would have to build a raft and come at us with wooden spears and rocks.

Just by taking over Mosul they scored $400 million in one shot. ISIS is now not only the most powerful terrorist group on the planet but the richest as well.

If they grab Baghdad they will be wealthy beyond comprehension. Then anything is possible.

And if you believe that the US will ever just "pound them back to the stone age" you must believe in the tooth fairy.

Won't happen.

What good is the money if they have no electricity, no aircraft, no fuel, no satellite communications, no utilities of any kind, no tanks, no missiles, no manufacturing capabilities, etc.

400 million is about one advanced fighter jet these days and where are they going to buy it without us finding out? Do they even have pilots?

 

[Peach]

Really, who cares? They will never have the capability to harm us here. All they will do is spend most of their time killing people in their own region. We can use a squad of drones to lay the whole country to waste without ever risking an American life if they get out of line. We can send the back to the stone age in about 4-6 hours destroying all their military assets in the process. They would have to build a raft and come at us with wooden spears and rocks.

Just by taking over Mosul they scored $400 million in one shot. ISIS is now not only the most powerful terrorist group on the planet but the richest as well.

If they grab Baghdad they will be wealthy beyond comprehension. Then anything is possible.

And if you believe that the US will ever just "pound them back to the stone age" you must believe in the tooth fairy.

Won't happen.

Agreed, but if ISIS is found to be a radical as they appear, the attention may turn to the 'Great Satan', as it has in the past. Better to learn more about them, by having as many 'advisors' as needed in the country, than discover them as we did al Qaeda in 2001.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Iraq was fine until Obama switched sides in the GWOT

 

[konradv]

agreed. if we let iraq be controlled, even a little, by ISIS, it was all for naught. i read today that this has upset many vets who feel their service there has been for naught.

It also upsets many vets that there have been calls to send them back in. Those with any brains realize the military has been ground down by over 10 years of conflict and that it's time for the Iraqis to be responsible for their own future.

So says the President, yet, we are sending "military advisors". I find those who propose carpet bombing the land to lack insight myself. Our military has not been used wisely since 2003 yes, but the situation was worse after WWII, yet we got involved in Korea a few years after.

But back then we had a draft and weren't sending in the same people over and over again for 10+ years.

 

[Peach]

It also upsets many vets that there have been calls to send them back in. Those with any brains realize the military has been ground down by over 10 years of conflict and that it's time for the Iraqis to be responsible for their own future.

So says the President, yet, we are sending "military advisors". I find those who propose carpet bombing the land to lack insight myself. Our military has not been used wisely since 2003 yes, but the situation was worse after WWII, yet we got involved in Korea a few years after.

But back then we had a draft and weren't sending in the same people over and over again for 10+ years.

Yes, but many new enter the US military every day. And as "boots on the ground" have been ruled out, SO FAR, advisors will be limited, most likely to a few thousand. How else are we to know the true intent of ISIS? We don't even know who "Baghdadi is yet. One helpful tool would be better pay, and genuine benefits, compensation for the humans involved in military operations is yet to be a #1 priority, with either DoD, pr the "taxed enough" crowd. Of those I know that served in Iraq most did serve two tours.

Thank you for pointing out one of the many drawbacks to US intervention.

 

[Yurt]

Do the Dems/Liberals want ISIS to control Iraq or not?

This fails as a straw man fallacy.

a question is not a straw man you idiot. but i see you can't address the content of the thread. no surprise coming from you.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

if not, what are your solutions?

Stay out of an unsolvable situation, except for the factions themselves and they will eventually, maybe over the next 900 years, settle it amongst themselves.

They've been thrashing it out since 632 A.D. But we didn't care back then because we hadn't discovered oil yet.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

if not, what are your solutions?

Stay out of an unsolvable situation, except for the factions themselves and they will eventually, maybe over the next 900 years, settle it amongst themselves.

They've been thrashing it out since 632 A.D. But we didn't care back then because we hadn't discovered oil yet.

Iraq was stable before Obama switched sides and supported the Jihadists

 

[onecut39]

if not, what are your solutions?

What part of " I don't give a damn" do you not understand?

Like Vietnam, we could stay there a hundred years and it would make no difference.

Get over it!

 

[KNB]

Legalize Cannabis so that industrial hemp replaces foreign oil for energy, reducing our need to pay billions to Saudi Arabia which is funding ISIS.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Legalize Cannabis so that industrial hemp replaces foreign oil for energy, reducing our need to pay billions to Saudi Arabia which is funding ISIS.

Cannabis =/= hemp but otherwise a good idea

 

[katsung47]

838. Iraq crisis (6/14/2014)

All of a sudden, Iraq is in crisis. The second biggest city is fallen. Baghdad is threatened.

Iraqi soldiers, police drop weapons, flee posts in portions of Mosul


CNN, Fri June 13, 2014

"I only ... saw armed people, but not Iraqi military," said resident Firas al-Maslawi of his drive through Mosul on Tuesday. "There was no presence of any government forces on the streets, the majority of their posts destroyed and manned by (Islamist militants)."

The numerous reports of police and soldiers running from their posts in Mosul raised the prospect that the Iraqi government did not either have the will or resources to win this and other fights.

Iraqi soldiers, police drop weapons, flee posts in Mosul - CNN.com

Iraqi security forces, trained by Pentagon for years and well equipped with helicopters, tanks and armoured cars, vastly outnumber the jihadists, suddenly melted down in the face of ISIL rebels.

Consider Al Qaeda jihadists are created and supported by the US to deal with its dislikes (such like Libya’s Gaddafi and Syria’s Assad) and the current Iraq government is a puppet set up by US in Iraq war, both sides are US’ assets. I think it’s a drama conducted by the US. You can see the leadership of Iraqi troops gave up the city without any fight.

ISIS butchers leave 'roads lined with decapitated police and soldiers'

BySam Greenhilland Jill Reillyand Kieran Corcoran 12 June 2014


According to bitter Iraqi foot soldiers, their commanders slipped away in the night rather than mount a defence of the city.

One said: ‘Our leaders betrayed us. The commanders left the military behind. When we woke up, all the leaders had left.’

ISIS militants march on Baghdad with a bullet in the head for anyone who gets in the way | Mail Online

US inside group used to create a case, with which to ask for more power and money. E.g. the 911 attack has been created to get Patriot Act and two wars in Mid-East. What is it now for this Iraq crisis?


839. Iraqi crisis created to save dollar (6/18/2014)
In early June, Russia switches the oil payment from dollars to Euros.

Gazprom Signs Agreements to Switch from Dollars to Euros

Global Research, June 07, 2014

Gazprom Neft had signed additional agreements with consumers on a possible switch from dollars to euros for payments under contracts, the oil company’s head Alexander Dyukov told a press conference.

“Additional agreements of Gazprom Neft on the possibility to switch contracts from dollars to euros are signed. With Belarus, payments in rubles are agreed on,” he said.

Dyukov said nine of ten consumers had agreed to switch to euros.

Gazprom Signs Agreements to Switch from Dollars to Euros | Global Research

This is very important news. If people starting to abandon the dollar, US will be hurt seriously in economy. Yet the news was little reported by the mainstream media. Several days later, the ISIL rebel in Iraq activates an offensive. The puppet Iraqi government retreats without any resistance. As a result, the oil price goes up.

Oil prices spike as Iraq violence flares
By Mark Thompson @MarkThompsonCNN June 12, 2014

Oil prices spiked Thursday to levels not seen in nine months as escalating violence in Iraq sparked worries about crude exports.

Light crude oil futures touched $106 a barrel, up nearly 2% and the highest price since September 2013.

Oil prices spike as Iraq violence flares - Jun. 12, 2014

Since the money used in most oil trading is dollar, the higher oil price will force the buyer to keep more dollar in bank as purchasing power. It’s a big amount if future option is included. Manipulating oil price becomes a strategy to save the dollar. Iraq is a big country of oil production and exportation. Its political stability has huge influence to oil price. US has turned it into a switch to adjust the oil price.

 

[katsung47]

840. US keeps Iraq a battle field to adjust oil price (6/25/2014)

Since the recent Iraq crisis created by the US is to save dollar, US will maintain the current situation unchanged. A US craft carrier has been deployed in Mid-East, no air attack has done so far.

Analysis: Obama plan leaves Iraq mostly on its own

By LARA JAKES 6/20/2014

Analysis: Obama plan leaves Iraq mostly on its own

Three hundred US military advisors were sent to Iraq. Their role likely is to instruct Iraqi troops to retreat from cities or oil fields when they want the oil price to go up. Or vice versa.

The US will turn Iraq into another battle field. Let Arabs fight Arabs. Decades ago, it was Saddam's Iraq vs. Iran. Now it will be Sunni's Iraq, Saudi, Qarda vs. Shiiti Iraq, Iran.

That's a strategy it used to play, just like it manipulates Democrats and Republicans in domestic politics.

How the US is Arming Both Sides of the Iraqi Conflict

By Tyler Durden

Global Research, June 13, 2014

How the US is Arming Both Sides of the Iraqi Conflict | Global Research