CDZ Difference between Democratic Socialism and Communism

[phoenyx]

Recently, another thread I started got sidetracked over an argument as to whether Democratic Socialism and Communism amounted to the same thing. So, thought I'd make this thread to discuss the difference, in case anyone is still interested. The following is an excerpt from an article at time.com:

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How is democratic socialism different from socialism and communism in the former Soviet Union and other countries abroad?
The simple answer is that democratic socialists believe in a democracy, while communist forms of government are not democracies.

“Democratic socialists believe in elections, the First Amendment — [they] want ordinary people to have more power in a more democratic system,” Kazin says. “In communist countries, the state controls everything and a small group of people control the state, a tyrannical system.”

Confusion is understandable, however, because the USSR did stand for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But for context, here’s how Kazin explains when the distinction started to be made between socialism and communism: “All communists call themselves socialists because they want it on the way to pure communism.” But, he explains, the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917 caused a split between those who identified primarily as communist and those who identified as socialist. In 1919, the Bolsheviks formed the Comintern (Communist International), an international organization of communist parties and groups. Those who wanted to follow in Russia’s footsteps joined, essentially declaring themselves communist, while others decided to stick with socialism.
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Source:

What to Know About the History of Democratic Socialism in America

And how it differs from socialism and communism in other places around the world

time.com

 

[San Souci]

Recently, another thread I started got sidetracked over an argument as to whether Democratic Socialism and Communism amounted to the same thing. So, thought I'd make this thread to discuss the difference, in case anyone is still interested. The following is an excerpt from an article at time.com:

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How is democratic socialism different from socialism and communism in the former Soviet Union and other countries abroad?
The simple answer is that democratic socialists believe in a democracy, while communist forms of government are not democracies.

“Democratic socialists believe in elections, the First Amendment — [they] want ordinary people to have more power in a more democratic system,” Kazin says. “In communist countries, the state controls everything and a small group of people control the state, a tyrannical system.”

Confusion is understandable, however, because the USSR did stand for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But for context, here’s how Kazin explains when the distinction started to be made between socialism and communism: “All communists call themselves socialists because they want it on the way to pure communism.” But, he explains, the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917 caused a split between those who identified primarily as communist and those who identified as socialist. In 1919, the Bolsheviks formed the Comintern (Communist International), an international organization of communist parties and groups. Those who wanted to follow in Russia’s footsteps joined, essentially declaring themselves communist, while others decided to stick with socialism.
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Source:

What to Know About the History of Democratic Socialism in America

And how it differs from socialism and communism in other places around the world

time.com

It is STILL Oligarchal Collectivism. Keynes was an Economic know nothing. So was FDR.

 

[phoenyx]

Recently, another thread I started got sidetracked over an argument as to whether Democratic Socialism and Communism amounted to the same thing. So, thought I'd make this thread to discuss the difference, in case anyone is still interested. The following is an excerpt from an article at time.com:

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How is democratic socialism different from socialism and communism in the former Soviet Union and other countries abroad?
The simple answer is that democratic socialists believe in a democracy, while communist forms of government are not democracies.

“Democratic socialists believe in elections, the First Amendment — [they] want ordinary people to have more power in a more democratic system,” Kazin says. “In communist countries, the state controls everything and a small group of people control the state, a tyrannical system.”

Confusion is understandable, however, because the USSR did stand for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But for context, here’s how Kazin explains when the distinction started to be made between socialism and communism: “All communists call themselves socialists because they want it on the way to pure communism.” But, he explains, the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917 caused a split between those who identified primarily as communist and those who identified as socialist. In 1919, the Bolsheviks formed the Comintern (Communist International), an international organization of communist parties and groups. Those who wanted to follow in Russia’s footsteps joined, essentially declaring themselves communist, while others decided to stick with socialism.
**

Source:

What to Know About the History of Democratic Socialism in America

And how it differs from socialism and communism in other places around the world

time.com

It is STILL Oligarchal Collectivism. Keynes was an Economic know nothing. So was FDR.

I don't really know anything about Keynes (name sounds familiar though), but I really liked FDR's New Deal. Anyway, bottom line is I'm a pretty big fan of Bernie Sanders, AOC and others like them. They define themselves as Democratic Socialists, and it fits with what I quoted in the Wikipedia article. That is, it's a democratic system, not an oligarchical one.

 

[San Souci]

Recently, another thread I started got sidetracked over an argument as to whether Democratic Socialism and Communism amounted to the same thing. So, thought I'd make this thread to discuss the difference, in case anyone is still interested. The following is an excerpt from an article at time.com:

**
How is democratic socialism different from socialism and communism in the former Soviet Union and other countries abroad?
The simple answer is that democratic socialists believe in a democracy, while communist forms of government are not democracies.

“Democratic socialists believe in elections, the First Amendment — [they] want ordinary people to have more power in a more democratic system,” Kazin says. “In communist countries, the state controls everything and a small group of people control the state, a tyrannical system.”

Confusion is understandable, however, because the USSR did stand for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But for context, here’s how Kazin explains when the distinction started to be made between socialism and communism: “All communists call themselves socialists because they want it on the way to pure communism.” But, he explains, the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917 caused a split between those who identified primarily as communist and those who identified as socialist. In 1919, the Bolsheviks formed the Comintern (Communist International), an international organization of communist parties and groups. Those who wanted to follow in Russia’s footsteps joined, essentially declaring themselves communist, while others decided to stick with socialism.
**

Source:

What to Know About the History of Democratic Socialism in America

And how it differs from socialism and communism in other places around the world

time.com

It is STILL Oligarchal Collectivism. Keynes was an Economic know nothing. So was FDR.

I don't really know anything about Keynes (name sounds familiar though), but I really liked FDR's New Deal. Anyway, bottom line is I'm a pretty big fan of Bernie Sanders, AOC and others like them. They define themselves as Democratic Socialists, and it fits with what I quoted in the Wikipedia article. That is, it's a democratic system, not an oligarchical one.

AOC is a cement headed Valley Girl. Bernie ADMIRED the USSR for years. FDR was a follower of Big Gov't. And Federalism. Keynes was also for Big Gov't solutions. I am against ALL Gov't programs. Especially SOCIAL CHANGE. I would like it to be 1954 . With all the new inventions ,of course. Except Video Games.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Smokescreen.
Dishonest semantics.
Democrats are evil. They believe morals only exist to use against those who have any.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Thiers been nothing new from the modern left since the French revolution.... only degrees of frigging disaster and murder

Hail lobster

 

[San Souci]

AOC says she is a Democratic Socialist. And wants to spend 30 TRILLION on Global Warming. Just WHERE is the money coming from? Socialism spends OP Money on spurious projects and leaves REAL issues in the dustbin.

 

[BULLDOG]

It would seem that many don't care about real definitions, but would rather use the words interchangeably, just like they use the word Cooties to describe anything they dislike. I'm not sure if they choose to do that because they have already invested so much time using them like that, or if they are just too dumb to know the difference.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Recently, another thread I started got sidetracked over an argument as to whether Democratic Socialism and Communism amounted to the same thing. So, thought I'd make this thread to discuss the difference, in case anyone is still interested. The following is an excerpt from an article at time.com:

**
How is democratic socialism different from socialism and communism in the former Soviet Union and other countries abroad?
The simple answer is that democratic socialists believe in a democracy, while communist forms of government are not democracies.

“Democratic socialists believe in elections, the First Amendment — [they] want ordinary people to have more power in a more democratic system,” Kazin says. “In communist countries, the state controls everything and a small group of people control the state, a tyrannical system.”

Confusion is understandable, however, because the USSR did stand for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But for context, here’s how Kazin explains when the distinction started to be made between socialism and communism: “All communists call themselves socialists because they want it on the way to pure communism.” But, he explains, the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917 caused a split between those who identified primarily as communist and those who identified as socialist. In 1919, the Bolsheviks formed the Comintern (Communist International), an international organization of communist parties and groups. Those who wanted to follow in Russia’s footsteps joined, essentially declaring themselves communist, while others decided to stick with socialism.
**

Source:

What to Know About the History of Democratic Socialism in America

And how it differs from socialism and communism in other places around the world

time.com

It is STILL Oligarchal Collectivism. Keynes was an Economic know nothing. So was FDR.

I don't really know anything about Keynes (name sounds familiar though), but I really liked FDR's New Deal. Anyway, bottom line is I'm a pretty big fan of Bernie Sanders, AOC and others like them.

Then I must question both your intelligence and your sanity.

 

[Votto]

Recently, another thread I started got sidetracked over an argument as to whether Democratic Socialism and Communism amounted to the same thing. So, thought I'd make this thread to discuss the difference, in case anyone is still interested. The following is an excerpt from an article at time.com:

**
How is democratic socialism different from socialism and communism in the former Soviet Union and other countries abroad?
The simple answer is that democratic socialists believe in a democracy, while communist forms of government are not democracies.

“Democratic socialists believe in elections, the First Amendment — [they] want ordinary people to have more power in a more democratic system,” Kazin says. “In communist countries, the state controls everything and a small group of people control the state, a tyrannical system.”

Confusion is understandable, however, because the USSR did stand for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But for context, here’s how Kazin explains when the distinction started to be made between socialism and communism: “All communists call themselves socialists because they want it on the way to pure communism.” But, he explains, the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917 caused a split between those who identified primarily as communist and those who identified as socialist. In 1919, the Bolsheviks formed the Comintern (Communist International), an international organization of communist parties and groups. Those who wanted to follow in Russia’s footsteps joined, essentially declaring themselves communist, while others decided to stick with socialism.
**

Source:

What to Know About the History of Democratic Socialism in America

And how it differs from socialism and communism in other places around the world

time.com

Er..........um.................the former USSR had elections

A lot of good that did them, eh?

Elections in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

And guess what, the NAZI party referred to themselves as National democratic Socialists and seized power via democracy.

As for our government run education system, it's not your fault, it really is their fault, so don't be so hard on yourself.

Hitler Comes to Power: How, When, & Key Dates | Holocaust Encyclopedia (ushmm.org)

 

[Votto]

Recently, another thread I started got sidetracked over an argument as to whether Democratic Socialism and Communism amounted to the same thing. So, thought I'd make this thread to discuss the difference, in case anyone is still interested. The following is an excerpt from an article at time.com:

**
How is democratic socialism different from socialism and communism in the former Soviet Union and other countries abroad?
The simple answer is that democratic socialists believe in a democracy, while communist forms of government are not democracies.

“Democratic socialists believe in elections, the First Amendment — [they] want ordinary people to have more power in a more democratic system,” Kazin says. “In communist countries, the state controls everything and a small group of people control the state, a tyrannical system.”

Confusion is understandable, however, because the USSR did stand for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But for context, here’s how Kazin explains when the distinction started to be made between socialism and communism: “All communists call themselves socialists because they want it on the way to pure communism.” But, he explains, the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917 caused a split between those who identified primarily as communist and those who identified as socialist. In 1919, the Bolsheviks formed the Comintern (Communist International), an international organization of communist parties and groups. Those who wanted to follow in Russia’s footsteps joined, essentially declaring themselves communist, while others decided to stick with socialism.
**

Source:

What to Know About the History of Democratic Socialism in America

And how it differs from socialism and communism in other places around the world

time.com

It is STILL Oligarchal Collectivism. Keynes was an Economic know nothing. So was FDR.

I don't really know anything about Keynes (name sounds familiar though), but I really liked FDR's New Deal. Anyway, bottom line is I'm a pretty big fan of Bernie Sanders, AOC and others like them. They define themselves as Democratic Socialists, and it fits with what I quoted in the Wikipedia article. That is, it's a democratic system, not an oligarchical one.

Keyes was a socialist who was in love with Hitler who was a National Socialist . He once wrote that Hitler proved all of his economic theories before they were written. He also added that his economic theories could best be implemented via a totalitarian regime like the Nazi regime. FDR loves Keynes.

But then Hitler went and started a war and fell out of favor with Keynes and those who loved Keynes. But they never stopped loving Keynes or socialism.

 

[phoenyx]

AOC is a cement headed Valley Girl.

I find it pretty sad when people reduce a highly influential figure to a 2 bit slogan. Here's a bit of her description from Wikipedia:
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Along with Rashida Tlaib, Ocasio-Cortez is the first female member of the Democratic Socialists of America elected to serve in Congress.[8][9] She advocates a progressive platform that includes Medicare for All, tuition-free public college, a federal jobs guarantee, a Green New Deal, and abolishing the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
[snip]

Early career
[snip]
During the 2016 primary, Ocasio-Cortez worked as an organizer for Bernie Sanders's presidential campaign.[37] After the general election, she traveled across America by car, visiting places such as Flint, Michigan, and Standing Rock Indian Reservation in North Dakota, and speaking to people affected by the Flint water crisis and the Dakota Access Pipeline.[38] In an interview she recalled her December 2016 visit to Standing Rock as a tipping point, saying that before that, she had believed that the only way to run for office effectively was to have access to wealth, social influence, and power. But her visit to North Dakota, where she saw others "putting their whole lives and everything that they had on the line for the protection of their community", inspired her to begin to work for her own community.[39] One day after she visited North Dakota, she got a phone call from Brand New Congress, which was recruiting progressive candidates (her brother had nominated her soon after Election Day 2016).[40]
**

Full article:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[phoenyx]

It would seem that many don't care about real definitions, but would rather use the words interchangeably, just like they use the word Cooties to describe anything they dislike. I'm not sure if they choose to do that because they have already invested so much time using them like that, or if they are just [don't know] the difference.

Well, as long as we can gently point out the flaws in their reasoning, perhaps they can learn to do so.

 

[phoenyx]

Smokescreen.
Dishonest semantics.
Democrats are evil. They believe morals only exist to use against those who have any.

Pretty sure you're joking, though with some people here, it's hard to tell .

 

[TNHarley]

When will people want to actually PROGRESS? Our founders did that, then federal supremacists like the OP voted to destroy our liberty.
Want to be just like the authoritarians we fought for our freedom.

 

[phoenyx]

AOC says she is a Democratic Socialist. And wants to spend 30 TRILLION on Global Warming. Just WHERE is the money coming from? Socialism spends OP Money on spurious projects and leaves REAL issues in the dustbin.

Many numbers have been bandied about as to how much it would cost. The center-right American Action Forum apprently pegs the cost at $93 trillion. With numbers varying so widely, I think the key is to focus more on the goal and how to go about it. AOC has also commented on possible ways to pay for it. Here's an excerpt from investopedia.com on the proposed Green New Deal:

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Edward B. Barbier, the American economics professor who wrote the report that formed the basis of the UN's Green New Deal, said that, instead of deficit funding, the government should use revenues that come from dismantled subsidies and environmental taxes.15


On the other hand, Ocasio-Cortez has told CBS's "60 Minutes" that "people are going to have to start paying their fair share in taxes" to pay for the Green New Deal and suggested tax rates of 60% to 70% for the very wealthy.16


Advocates of the Green New Deal who promote a heterodox macroeconomic framework called Modern Monetary Theory (MMT), including Ocasio-Cortez, believe the government shouldn't be too concerned about the cost. "The federal government can spend money on public priorities without raising revenue, and it won’t wreck the nation’s economy to do so," a group of prominent MMT supporters wrote in an op-ed for The Huffington Post.17 "The U.S. government can never run out of dollars, but humanity can run out of limited global resources. The climate crisis fundamentally threatens those resources and the very human livelihoods that depend on them."
**

What Is the Green New Deal?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's call to transform the U.S. economy away from fossil fuels and create millions of green jobs has sparked some debate.

www.investopedia.com

 

[phoenyx]

Recently, another thread I started got sidetracked over an argument as to whether Democratic Socialism and Communism amounted to the same thing. So, thought I'd make this thread to discuss the difference, in case anyone is still interested. The following is an excerpt from an article at time.com:

**
How is democratic socialism different from socialism and communism in the former Soviet Union and other countries abroad?
The simple answer is that democratic socialists believe in a democracy, while communist forms of government are not democracies.

“Democratic socialists believe in elections, the First Amendment — [they] want ordinary people to have more power in a more democratic system,” Kazin says. “In communist countries, the state controls everything and a small group of people control the state, a tyrannical system.”

Confusion is understandable, however, because the USSR did stand for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But for context, here’s how Kazin explains when the distinction started to be made between socialism and communism: “All communists call themselves socialists because they want it on the way to pure communism.” But, he explains, the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917 caused a split between those who identified primarily as communist and those who identified as socialist. In 1919, the Bolsheviks formed the Comintern (Communist International), an international organization of communist parties and groups. Those who wanted to follow in Russia’s footsteps joined, essentially declaring themselves communist, while others decided to stick with socialism.
**

Source:

What to Know About the History of Democratic Socialism in America

And how it differs from socialism and communism in other places around the world

time.com

It is STILL Oligarchal Collectivism. Keynes was an Economic know nothing. So was FDR.

I don't really know anything about Keynes (name sounds familiar though), but I really liked FDR's New Deal. Anyway, bottom line is I'm a pretty big fan of Bernie Sanders, AOC and others like them. They define themselves as Democratic Socialists, and it fits with what I quoted in the Wikipedia article. That is, it's a democratic system, not an oligarchical one.

Keyes was a socialist who was in love with Hitler who was a National Socialist . He once wrote that Hitler proved all of his economic theories before they were written. He also added that his economic theories could best be implemented via a totalitarian regime like the Nazi regime. FDR loves Keynes.

But then Hitler went and started a war and fell out of favor with Keynes and those who loved Keynes. But they never stopped loving Keynes or socialism.

Alright, well he's a guy who doesn't exactly come up much these days. I'd rather focus on people who identify as democratic socialists today.

 

[phoenyx]

Er..........um.................the former USSR had elections

A lot of good that did them, eh?

Elections in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

And guess what, the NAZI party referred to themselves as National democratic Socialists and seized power via democracy.

Recently, another thread I started got sidetracked over an argument as to whether Democratic Socialism and Communism amounted to the same thing. So, thought I'd make this thread to discuss the difference, in case anyone is still interested. The following is an excerpt from an article at time.com:

**
How is democratic socialism different from socialism and communism in the former Soviet Union and other countries abroad?
The simple answer is that democratic socialists believe in a democracy, while communist forms of government are not democracies.

“Democratic socialists believe in elections, the First Amendment — [they] want ordinary people to have more power in a more democratic system,” Kazin says. “In communist countries, the state controls everything and a small group of people control the state, a tyrannical system.”

Confusion is understandable, however, because the USSR did stand for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. But for context, here’s how Kazin explains when the distinction started to be made between socialism and communism: “All communists call themselves socialists because they want it on the way to pure communism.” But, he explains, the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917 caused a split between those who identified primarily as communist and those who identified as socialist. In 1919, the Bolsheviks formed the Comintern (Communist International), an international organization of communist parties and groups. Those who wanted to follow in Russia’s footsteps joined, essentially declaring themselves communist, while others decided to stick with socialism.
**

Source:

What to Know About the History of Democratic Socialism in America

And how it differs from socialism and communism in other places around the world

time.com

Er..........um.................the former USSR had elections

A lot of good that did them, eh?

Elections in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

Not very fair ones:
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Since Vladimir Putin became President of Russia there has been increasing international criticism of the conduct of Russian elections.[18] European institutions who observed the December 2007 legislative elections concluded that these were not fair elections. Göran Lennmarker, president of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), said that the elections "failed to meet many of the commitments and standards that we have. It was not a fair election."[19] Luc Van den Brande, who headed a delegation from the Council of Europe, referred to the "overwhelming influence of the president's office and the president on the campaign" and said there was "abuse of administrative resources" designed to influence the outcome. He also said there were "flaws in the secrecy of the vote." "Effectively, we can't say these were fair elections," he said at a news conference.[20]

In February 2008 The human rights organisation Amnesty International said that the presidential election on 2 March would not be a genuine election: "There is no real opposition ahead of the election. There is no real electoral campaign battle," Friederike Behr, Amnesty's Russia researcher, was quoted as saying. In a report on the elections, Amnesty said laws restricting non-government organizations, police breaking up demonstrations, and harassment from critics were all part of "a systematic destruction of civil liberties in Russia."[21] Another human rights organisation, Freedom House, said that the victory of Putin's party in the 2007 elections "was achieved under patently unfair and non-competitive conditions calling into doubt the result’s legitimacy."[22]

The Russian government has acted to prevent international observers monitoring Russian elections. In 2007 the OSCE was prevented from monitoring the legislative elections held in December.[23] In February 2008 the European Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights announced that it would not send observers to monitor the presidential election on 2 March, citing what it called "severe restrictions" imposed on its work by the Russian government. "We made every effort in good faith to deploy our mission, even under the conditions imposed by the Russian authorities", said Christian Strohal, the organization's director. "The Russian Federation has created limitations that are not conducive to undertaking election observation".[24] The OSCE has also withdrawn its attempts to monitor the elections.

The 2011 Russian legislative elections were considered to be rigged in favor of the ruling party by a number of journalists and opposition representatives.[25] However public opinion-polls prior to the election suggested that the ruling party could count on the support of 45–55 percent of voters, which may suggest that there were no mass falsifications, despite isolated cases of fraud.[26] Nationwide exit polls were very close to the final results.[27]

In 2015 OSCE called the Russian government to respect and support the work of independent election observers, following a number of incidents where citizen observers were beaten or harassed in regional elections.[28] There is a widespread practice of increasing attendance on unpopular or controversial votes using financial bonus for everyone attending, free food, toys, etc.[29]
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Source:

Elections in Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[phoenyx]

When will people want to actually PROGRESS? Our founders did that, then federal supremacists like the OP voted to destroy our liberty.
Want to be just like the authoritarians we fought for our freedom.

You think I want to destroy your liberty -.-?

 

[TNHarley]

When will people want to actually PROGRESS? Our founders did that, then federal supremacists like the OP voted to destroy our liberty.
Want to be just like the authoritarians we fought for our freedom.

You think I want to destroy your liberty -.-?

Your support for authoritarians and big govt gives it away