Did Pat Tillman get restored in honour?

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    I just watched the Pat Tillman movie ( http://runmovie.com/2011/06/the-tillman-story/ ) and was pretty sickened, I m really impressed by his family and their efforts to restore his honour in the face of the dishonour of the people that are supposed to represent him.

    the full movie documentary here ( youtube "Pat Tillman story pt.1"):

    I wonder if this cover up has been punished?

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    Seems like 1 of the lying generals got rewarded for it
    I m disgusted by this


    If you have any respect for the integrity of fallen soldiers, you should watch this movie



    I hope Patt will haunt the people who did this to him for the rest of their lives, he probably turned over in his grave already
     
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    So the Military panicked and tried to downplay the fact that Tillman was killed by so-called "friendly fire" because he was a minor celebrity. How does that detract from the honor of the hero who was killed? Thousands of Military personnel have been killed by "friendly fire" throughout American history and we shouldn't be surprised when the civilian punks write the stories that focus on the alleged cover-up in order to make a buck rather than focusing on the honorable service of the fallen Hero.
     
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    Wel there is the thing that any soldier should hope that the country and the generals he risks his life for should at least respect his personal choices that he is legally allowed to make. Other than that you d expect the military to have some respect for the families of the troops that have died. Which clearly was not the case, and this documentary is not made by some civilian punk, it was some ex miltary punk (be correct about it if you want to make an insult): it was the family of Patt himself that helped make it, a family that send sons to the military each of their generations which makes it all even worse


    - If you choose no as answer to the question on the form that asks wether you want a military funeral, then the least you could expect is that the military should honour that. Instead he gets a military funeral that becomes nationally televised where he s used as a political propaganda tool for the war, HE WAS AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR btw but still did his duty. Having them lie to your family on your own funeral (about how you died) that you requested to be private makes it all the more disgusting.


    - You d expect that when you re dead your family being already hit hard emotionally by the fact that you re gone that they wouldn't have to deal with a military telling them lies, making it impossible for your family to come to peace with your death. Then I didn't even talk about the politicians talking on his funeral trying to recuperate his death for political causes, also not being too respectfull about the fact that he s an atheist.



    Also: there was no "alledged" cover up, the cover up was clearly shown by the military itself after they changed their whole story of how he died from taliban fire (that they lied to the parents at his funeral where the military wasn't even invited by Pat himself) to friendly fire. They lied to the parents on the funeral of their son, how much more of a scumbag can you be? Those people have no honour, the general responsible should be fired on the spot! (he was sitting their on the funeral as well btw)


    You clearly didn't see the documentary, otherwise you wouldn't be telling such BS
     
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    It doesn't matter. Tillman died defending his Country like hundreds of thousands of Americans before him. Only fools question his honor because of the way the DOD tried to spin it. If you want to make a case for politics interfering with honor you might consider the strange case of the DOD revising the number of the honored dead during Korean War. Every conflict in history has included the Military casualties who were killed during training, by accident or by disease in the roll call of the honored dead. For some reason the Clinton DOD decided to include only the number of the KIA on the peninsula and threw out about 15,000 American Military from the rolls of the honored dead in Korea.
     
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    Tillman turned against the war and was gonna' go back to the States and tell everyone his story. About how the Wars are for profit and drugs.

    But the Military Industrial Complex didn't wanna' let that happen.
     
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    Too many brave men and women were wounded or lost their lives due to Friendly Fire.
    Unfortunately, it happens in every War.
    On one occasion, I was with my buddy when he was hit by friendly fire ( Believe me, it could have been much worse ). There were other incidents. I hated that shit more anything else in my life.
    USMC 1st Bn 4th Marines Vietnam 67-68
     
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    Pretty offensive stuff. Should be in the conspiracy tin foil hat forum.
     
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    I don't question the fact that Tillman was killed by friendly fire. Unfortunately, that happens in combat.

    I don't question the fact that the Pentagon tried to spin it. That also happens for all the bad/good intentions in the world, and it will continue to happen no matter who's in the White House.

    I do question the objectivity of the so-called "documentary." The emotions are real, and the tragedy that hit the Tillman family is real. But the editing and pasting together of their experience is done at the hands of someone who is trying to convey a certain message. We should never lose sight of that no matter which direction the documentary takes.

    War is an ugly thing. At the end of the day, Pat Tillman is still a hero.
     
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    Eloquently stated Toome. Only pop-culture educated fools and foreigners assume that Tillman's honor needed to be restored.
     
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    This war is against a bunch of silly Mud People with sticks and stones, I can assure you that most fallen soldiers are killed by friendly fire, this is just very difficult to tell the family this, they don't want to hear that a fatigued Private accidentally set an artillery piece setting incorrectly, or an incompetent STONER pilot from a rich family was flying a fighter jet and emptied his guns on his platoon, the family WANTS TO HEAR, he died with honor serving his country.
    Generals should protect and prevent politicians from capitalizing on fallen soldiers deaths and prevent publicity stunts that could potentially cost lives, the problem with our military is that promotions are politically motivated, promotions have nothing to do with performance or seniority, its all about how you can fuck others and screw others to get to the top.

    Lets say I am a Senator, I need to pull off a publicity stunt, and Kim Kardashian was now a POW held by the Iranian military, the Iranian military will soon find out who she is, and quickly go to great lengths to give her back, because they KNOW a publicity stunt will be pulled off, so General Mohamid Al Jihadi of Iran calls me on my phone and begs me to arrange for the unconditional transfer of Kim Kardashian, I tell him that I will call him back.
    I now get the ball rolling to find out everything I can about General Mohamid Al Jihadi, I call him back with the GPS coordinates to his house where his family lives, and I tell him, this is how its going to go down:
    1. A helicopter is going to land where she is being held, special forces are going to get out and kill every Iranian Sand ****** in that building, and rescue her.
    2. And I swear, if any one of your Iranian Sand ******* so much as even fires upon those soldiers, your children will be sleeping with the WORMS tonight, so you better make sure that you collect all ammunition and replace it all with dummy ammo, because the Sand ******* in that building need to be armed when they get killed.
    And he will say, YES SIR!
    I will call you back when we are ready for you to rescue her.

    The General in command of Pat Tillman was obviously someones bitch ( a politician had leverage on him ) and was just leading this General around with a whip, because there is no way in hell a General would allow this to happen unless it benefited him in some way, shape or form, this is our military in the modern age, I think it needs to change, and measures put in place to UN-bitch our military.

    If Kirk Lippold was not a bitch and no leverage hanging over his head, he would have just said the following:
    SEND THOSE FILTHY SAND ******* TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN WHERE THEY BELONG, OPEN FIRE !!!!!!!
     

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