Democrats snub Fox News, but debate at a event held by DailyKos.

[Paulie]

Dems are showing they are scared of Fox News as well as the terrorists in Iraq

For the first time, I agree with you.

They ARE afraid of Fox News. Conyers told Sheehan the other day that a reason for not proceeding on impeachment is that Fox News would paint him as being partisan.

Congress is a joke. All members of congress added together don't even possess an entire ballsack.

 

[maineman]

good description of yourself MM

You are showing a streak of honesty

why do you hate animals so much? Why would you not cut and paste one simple sentence if it meant $1000 for your humane society?

Your lying is pretty apparent. but I do not understand why you hate animals so much. I'll bet you are a big Michael Vick fan!

Just think: one simple cut and paste from you and you could save a whole bunch of dogs like the ones your buddy Mikey electrocuted.

why would ANYONE NOT do that for the animals?

 

[red states rule]

why do you hate animals so much? Why would you not cut and paste one simple sentence if it meant $1000 for your humane society?

Your lying is pretty apparent. but I do not understand why you hate animals so much. I'll bet you are a big Michael Vick fan!

Just think: one simple cut and paste from you and you could save a whole bunch of dogs like the ones your buddy Mikey electrocuted.

why would ANYONE NOT do that for the animals?

still ducking and changing the subject

MM is losing and has to try and save face

 

[maineman]

ducking what?

 

[red states rule]

ducking what?

The topic of the thread and the lack of accomplishments of your candidates

 

[maineman]

The topic of the thread and the lack of accomplishments of your candidates

I listed the accomplishments of three deomcratic candidates.

Why don't you tell me what the qualifications that Rudy or Fred Thompson has, for example that are so much more powerful than Obama or Clinton or Richarson or Biden or Dodd.

and why are you ducking the chance to make $1000 for your local animal shelter?

 

[red states rule]

I listed the accomplishments of three deomcratic candidates.

Why don't you tell me what the qualifications that Rudy or Fred Thompson has, for example that are so much more powerful than Obama or Clinton or Richarson or Biden or Dodd.

and why are you ducking the chance to make $1000 for your local animal shelter?

Through robust policing, Giuliani drove overall crime down 56.1 percent, while chopping homicides 66.6 percent, from 1,946 in 1993 to 649 in 2001.

Following national trends, abortions on Giuliani’s watch dropped 16.9 percent, while taxpayer-funded Medicaid abortions plunged 23 percent.

Gotham’s foster-care population fell 38 percent as Giuliani helped loving families adopt 17,804 boys and girls.

By fighting fraud and finding work for legitimate beneficiaries, Giuliani cut welfare rolls 58 percent, starting two years before federal welfare reform. Giuliani renamed welfare offices “Job Centers.”

Giuliani privatized 23,625 previously confiscated, city-owned dwellings, 78 percent of supply, benefiting family and individual homeowners and tenants.

Giuliani dumped Gotham’s 20 percent set-aside and 10 percent overbid bonus for minority and female contractors. “The whole idea of quotas to me perpetuates discrimination,” he explained. He initiated this on his 24th day in office, far exceeding any colorblindness legislation Congress even debated during the 12-year “Republican Revolution.”

Giuliani’s $10 million Charter School Improvement Fund helped 3,286 pupils in 17 new charter schools, up from $0 and zero campuses in 1997. He ended tenure for school principals, so slackers could be sacked. He also stopped social promotion; students needed to complete grade-level work to matriculate.

Ex-pornography mecca Times Square now welcomes families, tourists and locals for fully clothed musicals like “The Lion King” and “Mary Poppins

http://race42008.com/2007/03/19/meeting-the-real-rudy/

need more?

 

[red states rule]

why do you hate animals so much? Why would you not cut and paste one simple sentence if it meant $1000 for your humane society?

Your lying is pretty apparent. but I do not understand why you hate animals so much. I'll bet you are a big Michael Vick fan!

Just think: one simple cut and paste from you and you could save a whole bunch of dogs like the ones your buddy Mikey electrocuted.

why would ANYONE NOT do that for the animals?

I must say MM, you have the liberal debate tactics mastered

I must give credit where credit is due


1. Avoid factual arguments, they're usually against you anyway.

2. If for some obscure reason the facts actually fall your way (an extremely rare occurrence) then repeat them endlessly regardless of the reply of your conservative opponent. Remember time is limited, use this against him.

3. Get as personal and vicious as you can, maybe it will distract your opponent from his train of thought.

4. If you are unable to insult him with the usual insults such as 'racist', 'homophobe', or 'bigot', then insult someone else on his side (someone related to the subject under discussion is preferable but not required).

5. When you're losing, and you usually will be, abruptly change the subject. Again the object of this is to distract and deflect attention from your opponent's argument.

6. Talk loudly and rapidly, don't allow your opponent to get a word in. Remember the more time you consume, the less time your opponent will have.

7. Use hyperbole as an example of your opponent's argument and suggest that that is what they are suggesting.

8. Purposely misunderstand what is being said by your opponent and distort it into something you can use.

9. Make up 'facts' most people don't check them and anyway, you'll be long gone by the time the truth is known, and so will the audience.

10. Expect perfection. Focus on the slightest flaw in your opponent's argument, any kind of mistake, grammatical, spelling, contextual, anything no matter how slight is sufficient to deflect attention away from how vacuous your arguments are.

11. Act insulted. Take umbrage at the slightest contradiction and act as if it is a personal insult. This will make your personal attack seem warranted and just.

12. Mug the camera or audience while your opponent is speaking, make faces, sneering is good, head-shaking better, and looking toward the ceiling is best [notice the avoidance of the word Heaven, Liberals avoid words of a religious nature WM]. Let the audience know you disagree with your opponent (even if you’ve no idea what he’s saying)

13. Use condescending laughter as much as you can. It serves two purposes, first, it dismisses your opponent as being unworthy of your respect and second, it shows your contempt for his arguments. This is a very powerful tool and can really annoy your opponent and disrupt his train of thought.

14. You’re an arrogant Liberal; demonstrate your obvious intellectual superiority by acting in a condescending manner.

15. Forget how many of the wealthiest in this nation are Liberals, always beat the drum of “Rich Republicans” and “working class Democrats.”

16. Finally, always remember style trumps substance. Know it, Live it.
"

http://mongomutter.blogspot.com/2005/08/liberal-debate-playbook-from-will.html

 

[maineman]

Through robust policing, Giuliani drove overall crime down 56.1 percent, while chopping homicides 66.6 percent, from 1,946 in 1993 to 649 in 2001.

Following national trends, abortions on Giuliani’s watch dropped 16.9 percent, while taxpayer-funded Medicaid abortions plunged 23 percent.

Gotham’s foster-care population fell 38 percent as Giuliani helped loving families adopt 17,804 boys and girls.

By fighting fraud and finding work for legitimate beneficiaries, Giuliani cut welfare rolls 58 percent, starting two years before federal welfare reform. Giuliani renamed welfare offices “Job Centers.”

Giuliani privatized 23,625 previously confiscated, city-owned dwellings, 78 percent of supply, benefiting family and individual homeowners and tenants.

Giuliani dumped Gotham’s 20 percent set-aside and 10 percent overbid bonus for minority and female contractors. “The whole idea of quotas to me perpetuates discrimination,” he explained. He initiated this on his 24th day in office, far exceeding any colorblindness legislation Congress even debated during the 12-year “Republican Revolution.”

Giuliani’s $10 million Charter School Improvement Fund helped 3,286 pupils in 17 new charter schools, up from $0 and zero campuses in 1997. He ended tenure for school principals, so slackers could be sacked. He also stopped social promotion; students needed to complete grade-level work to matriculate.

Ex-pornography mecca Times Square now welcomes families, tourists and locals for fully clothed musicals like “The Lion King” and “Mary Poppins

http://race42008.com/2007/03/19/meeting-the-real-rudy/

need more?

Rudy was a successful mayor. Obama is a successful senator. Clinton is a successful senator. Thompson was a successful senator and a mediocre actor.

Tough to see the HUGE fucking advantage you claim for YOUR side.

And once again.... you rely on someone else to make your argument for you.

Because, I guess, you know, that when you open YOUR mouth, lies come out and feet go in.

 

[red states rule]

Rudy was a successful mayor. Obama is a successful senator. Clinton is a successful senator. Thompson was a successful senator and a mediocre actor.

Tough to see the HUGE fucking advantage you claim for YOUR side.

And once again.... you rely on someone else to make your argument for you.

Because, I guess, you know, that when you open YOUR mouth, lies come out and feet go in.

can you list ANY accomplishments of Hillary and Obama

You listed your OPINIONS of their accomplishmets but no facts

 

[maineman]

can you list ANY accomplishments of Hillary and Obama

You listed your OPINIONS of their accomplishmets but no facts

read their books. I have.

I'd love to read Dubya's books, but, of course, he has never written any.

again.... Thompson = former senator and actor, Hillary/Obama = current senators, lawyers, authors, Rudy = former mayor and noted divorcee.

Now if you could claim that the democrats were all no more experienced than a brand new furniture salesman, and the republicans had all either solved world hunger, cured cancer, or won the Nobel Peace Prize, you might have a point. As it is, everyone is basically qualified. It will be up to the voters to decide, based, I would imagine, not so much on their "qualifications" but their ideas and their abilities.

 

[red states rule]

read their books. I have.

I'd love to read Dubya's books, but, of course, he has never written any.

again.... Thompson = former senator and actor, Hillary/Obama = current senators, lawyers, authors, Rudy = former mayor and noted divorcee.

Now if you could claim that the democrats were all no more experienced than a brand new furniture salesman, and the republicans had all either solved world hunger, cured cancer, or won the Nobel Peace Prize, you might have a point. As it is, everyone is basically qualified. It will be up to the voters to decide, based, I would imagine, not so much on their "qualifications" but their ideas and their abilities.

Getting desperate - now writing books is an "acomplishment"

LOL

Seems Rudy has alot more accomplishments then your people

 

[maineman]

Getting desperate - now writing books is an "acomplishment"

LOL

Seems Rudy has alot more accomplishments then your people

no. their books describe their accomplishments. If you want to get a good handle on the accomplishments of those candidates, I suggest you read their books. I have no desire to list them, and I have no desire to go combing the web to find an article listing them that I can cut and paste - a la RSR's 'Rudy homage' - just so you can denigrate the list.

You seem to think that you can continue to ask me questions day in and day out and I am supposed to answer yours each and every time or you claim that you are "winnning"...yet day in and day out, you categorically refuse to answer any questions about anything. you refuse to substantiate your comments or retract misstatements.

You need to try harder to answer the questions posed to you or make a conscious effort to refrain from asking any more yourself.

 

[maineman]

and oddly enough.... for a guy who is absolutely incapable of stringing two intelligent sentences together, I would think that you, more than anyone else on here, would agree that writing an entire book WAS quite an accomplishment.

 

[red states rule]

no. their books describe their accomplishments. If you want to get a good handle on the accomplishments of those candidates, I suggest you read their books. I have no desire to list them, and I have no desire to go combing the web to find an article listing them that I can cut and paste - a la RSR's 'Rudy homage' - just so you can denigrate the list.

You seem to think that you can continue to ask me questions day in and day out and I am supposed to answer yours each and every time or you claim that you are "winnning"...yet day in and day out, you categorically refuse to answer any questions about anything. you refuse to substantiate your comments or retract misstatements.

You need to try harder to answer the questions posed to you or make a conscious effort to refrain from asking any more yourself.

What accomplishments?

If they are so nunerous and great you would have listed them by now

 

[maineman]

What accomplishments?

If they are so nunerous and great you would have listed them by now

"He went on to earn his law degree from Harvard in 1991, where he became the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. Soon after, he returned to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer and teach constitutional law. Finally, his advocacy work led him to run for the Illinois State Senate, where he served for eight years. In 2004, he became the third African American since Reconstruction to be elected to the U.S. Senate.

It has been the rich and varied experiences of Barack Obama's life - growing up in different places with people who had differing ideas - that have animated his political journey. Amid the partisanship and bickering of today's public debate, he still believes in the ability to unite people around a politics of purpose - a politics that puts solving the challenges of everyday Americans ahead of partisan calculation and political gain.

In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.

As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world. And knowing the threat we face to our economy and our security from America's addiction to oil, he's working to bring auto companies, unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars."


now.... you really do need to stop answering questions if you cannot answer any.

 

[red states rule]

"He went on to earn his law degree from Harvard in 1991, where he became the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. Soon after, he returned to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer and teach constitutional law. Finally, his advocacy work led him to run for the Illinois State Senate, where he served for eight years. In 2004, he became the third African American since Reconstruction to be elected to the U.S. Senate.

It has been the rich and varied experiences of Barack Obama's life - growing up in different places with people who had differing ideas - that have animated his political journey. Amid the partisanship and bickering of today's public debate, he still believes in the ability to unite people around a politics of purpose - a politics that puts solving the challenges of everyday Americans ahead of partisan calculation and political gain.

In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.

As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world. And knowing the threat we face to our economy and our security from America's addiction to oil, he's working to bring auto companies, unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars."


now.... you really do need to stop answering questions if you cannot answer any.

so he has a college degree and helped pass one bill - WOW!!!
and now Hillary - who you wil probably be the one you will vote for?

 

[maineman]

so he has a college degree and helped pass one bill - WOW!!!
and now Hillary - who you wil probably be the one you will vote for?

look. As I said, you may not think that Obama has accomplished very much and that is certainly your right to think that.

We have a difference of opinion. But seriously, when do you think you will participate in any sort of equal way in the debates on this board? WHen do you think you will be able to answer questions and not just ask them?

 

[red states rule]

look. As I said, you may not think that Obama has accomplished very much and that is certainly your right to think that.

We have a difference of opinion. But seriously, when do you think you will participate in any sort of equal way in the debates on this board? WHen do you think you will be able to answer questions and not just ask them?

A degree and one bill passed is far from "accomplished very much"

Where are Hillary's accomplished - she is the one you will be voting for in 08

 

[maineman]

what part of this did you NOT understand?

When do you think you will be able to answer questions and not just ask them?