Democrats seem to be the faster shrinking party.

[Avorysuds]

I wanted to make this a thread because it seems like either I'm missing something or when I bring it up it's glossed over.

Here are the numbers from 2008:

Barrack Obama/Joseph Biden (Democrat) 69,456,897 votes (52.9%)
John McCain/Sarah Palin (Republican) 59,934,814 votes (45.7%)

Now, let’s look at 2012 numbers:

Obama/Biden Popular vote (Democrat) 65,621,369 (51.0%)
Mitt/Ryan Popular vote (Republican) 60,875,399 (47.3%)

Now, Republicans made up around 2% from 2008 in the total vote, meaning they did better in 2012 than 2008. In all about 3-4 million less votes were cast, all were lost by Democrats… Meaning currently Democrats are the fastest shrinking party by votes in America. This is a big deal because with population growth both parties should be growing by million, not stagnating or losing voters by the millions.


For context:

1996 total vote = about 95 million United States presidential election, 1996 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2000 total vote = about 102 million United States presidential election, 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2004 total vote = about 121 million United States presidential election, 2004 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2008 total vote = about 129 million United States presidential election, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2012 total vote = about 126 million United States presidential election, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, 2012 is the first time in this table that the vote count shrunk, and it was all Democrats loss, 100%.

 

[Avatar4321]

Im not sure id say it's all Democrat loss. but you do make a good point.

Id be curious to see the actual registration counts. Though I suppose they could be padded with dead people.

 

[Avorysuds]

Im not sure id say it's all Democrat loss. but you do make a good point.

Id be curious to see the actual registration counts. Though I suppose they could be padded with dead people.

I was going off votes, not people who sign up for the party. In this case Reps gained voters over 2008, very very slight. Dems lost 3-4 million. No matter how someone tries to spin it, less votes were cast for Dems than 4 years ago, by millions, more were cast for Republicans than 4 years ago. Just interesting.

 

[nodoginnafight]

and you ARE missing something. I showed you in the other thread. Ignore it all you want.

 

[Avorysuds]

and you ARE missing something. I showed you in the other thread. Ignore it all you want.

Ok, can you post it here? I have talked about this for a while now, I'm not avoiding anything.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I already posted it. You already read it. What's the point?
Rassmussen indicates one thing - every other poll on the planet indicates the opposite.

You're also doing an apples to oranges thing.

But whatever, you believe what you want to believe.

 

[Avorysuds]

I already posted it. You already read it. What's the point?
Rassmussen indicates one thing - every other poll on the planet indicates the opposite.

You're also doing an apples to oranges thing.

But whatever, you believe what you want to believe.

Ok... so I didn't read it and don’t have the page up anymore... Calm down. All I did was look at votes cast, not polling, not opinion, not I think, though, like or want... I went off 100% votes cast. You can be a registered Democrats and vote for a Republican, or the other way around.

 

[rdean]

Clearly, Americans were so riled up after what Bush and the Republicans did, they voted FOR Obama as much as they did AGAINST the Republicans.

This time, with Republicans armed with over a billion dollars coming mostly from a few multi billionaires, Republican's voter suppression, which was clearly on display in Penn, Florida, Ohio, among other states, and a white Republican base motivated by race, every Republican possible got out to vote. And from the number of felonies Republican surrogates were charged with, there were more Republican votes than Republicans.

Obama still won by millions. Too many to "fake". And Romney received 47% of the vote. His mistake was thinking the country is 53% white, uneducated and racist.

 

[Plasmaball]

Nope. Democrats also tend to go with the young vote and more young people came out in 08 than 12. Thats why there is a drop. If the youth came out every election, the democrats would never lose.

 

[FJO]

"His mistake was thinking the country is 53% white, uneducated and racist."

While, in reality, 53% of the population is black, hispanics, uneducated and racist.

 

[Avorysuds]

Clearly, Americans were so riled up after what Bush and the Republicans did, they voted FOR Obama as much as they did AGAINST the Republicans.

This time, with Republicans armed with over a billion dollars coming mostly from a few multi billionaires, Republican's voter suppression, which was clearly on display in Penn, Florida, Ohio, among other states, and a white Republican base motivated by race, every Republican possible got out to vote. And from the number of felonies Republican surrogates were charged with, there were more Republican votes than Republicans.

Obama still won by millions. Too many to "fake". And Romney received 47% of the vote. His mistake was thinking the country is 53% white, uneducated and racist.

That had to be the most stupid post I have seen all week... Didn't Obama brag he would have a billion this election? Obama out spent McCain in 2008, so Dems only won because they spent more than Reps? Or is this a "it's different when Dems do it" situatrion?

 

[Avorysuds]

Nope. Democrats also tend to go with the young vote and more young people came out in 08 than 12. Thats why there is a drop. If the youth came out every election, the democrats would never lose.

Your post makes no sense. Are you saying Democrats pretty much lost all of the youth vote in 1 election? Near 4 million people LESS showed up to vote for Dems, on top of that there is zero growth, meaning Dems should have pulled a growth of 2-6 million...

I don't mind people having reasons why less people voted Democrat, but to claim 4 million less "youth voters" showed up is pretty much a huge loss for the Dems, long term. It suggests that Dems only won in 2008 because of a fluke.

 

[Avatar4321]

Clearly, Americans were so riled up after what Bush and the Republicans did, they voted FOR Obama as much as they did AGAINST the Republicans.

This time, with Republicans armed with over a billion dollars coming mostly from a few multi billionaires, Republican's voter suppression, which was clearly on display in Penn, Florida, Ohio, among other states, and a white Republican base motivated by race, every Republican possible got out to vote. And from the number of felonies Republican surrogates were charged with, there were more Republican votes than Republicans.

Obama still won by millions. Too many to "fake". And Romney received 47% of the vote. His mistake was thinking the country is 53% white, uneducated and racist.

That had to be the most stupid post I have seen all week... Didn't Obama brag he would have a billion this election?

It's rdean. Were you really expecting something smart?

 

[Avorysuds]

Clearly, Americans were so riled up after what Bush and the Republicans did, they voted FOR Obama as much as they did AGAINST the Republicans.

This time, with Republicans armed with over a billion dollars coming mostly from a few multi billionaires, Republican's voter suppression, which was clearly on display in Penn, Florida, Ohio, among other states, and a white Republican base motivated by race, every Republican possible got out to vote. And from the number of felonies Republican surrogates were charged with, there were more Republican votes than Republicans.

Obama still won by millions. Too many to "fake". And Romney received 47% of the vote. His mistake was thinking the country is 53% white, uneducated and racist.

That had to be the most stupid post I have seen all week... Didn't Obama brag he would have a billion this election?

It's rdean. Were you really expecting something smart?

No, I had to "view this post" to even see it. I figured I started the thread so I should be fair, it was not worth the view.

 

[rdean]

Clearly, Americans were so riled up after what Bush and the Republicans did, they voted FOR Obama as much as they did AGAINST the Republicans.

This time, with Republicans armed with over a billion dollars coming mostly from a few multi billionaires, Republican's voter suppression, which was clearly on display in Penn, Florida, Ohio, among other states, and a white Republican base motivated by race, every Republican possible got out to vote. And from the number of felonies Republican surrogates were charged with, there were more Republican votes than Republicans.

Obama still won by millions. Too many to "fake". And Romney received 47% of the vote. His mistake was thinking the country is 53% white, uneducated and racist.

That had to be the most stupid post I have seen all week... Didn't Obama brag he would have a billion this election? Obama out spent McCain in 2008, so Dems only won because they spent more than Reps? Or is this a "it's different when Dems do it" situatrion?

Check out the demographics of where the money came from. It's been posted before. Republicans had billionaires sending huge chunks of money. Sheldon Adelson said he would give $100,000,000.00. He knew that under Romney's tax plan, he would SAVE $2,000,000,000.00.

Obama broke records for the number of people sending in money in amounts of $50 and $100. The Republican base is poor and uneducated. Most of their money came from the very, very rich. You can't win on a few millionaires and billionaires and a bunch of uneducated, racist white people.

The Democratic people has lots of white people. They are those not welcome in the Republican Party. Gays, college professors, scientists, smart people, uneducated, conservative, liberal, atheists, all kinds of white people. Then you add in blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Hindu, and suddenly, you have a "coalition" party.

We call this the "truth". Republicans call it "dumb".

 

[FJO]

Nope. Democrats also tend to go with the young vote and more young people came out in 08 than 12. Thats why there is a drop. If the youth came out every election, the democrats would never lose.

Counting on the youth vote is myopic at best.

When a recent university graduate sees his dreams disappearing in an affirmative action nightmare, he will quickly turn from a pie-in-the-sky Democrat to a real life Republican.

When a young and promiscuous Democrat woman finds love and marriage and children, she will become a Republican in no time.

As the old saying goes: A conservative is a liberal who was mugged. Having been taken advantage of, due to youth is nothing short of mental muggery.

Even if that is not the case, people get smarter and more moral as they grow older.

 

[rdean]

Nope. Democrats also tend to go with the young vote and more young people came out in 08 than 12. Thats why there is a drop. If the youth came out every election, the democrats would never lose.

Counting on the youth vote is myopic at best.

When a recent university graduate sees his dreams disappearing in an affirmative action nightmare, he will quickly turn from a pie-in-the-sky Democrat to a real life Republican.

When a young and promiscuous Democrat woman finds love and marriage and children, she will become a Republican in no time.

As the old saying goes: A conservative is a liberal who was mugged. Having been taken advantage of, due to youth is nothing short of mental muggery.

Even if that is not the case, people get smarter and more moral as they grow older.

Right wingers never complain about "rich people's affirmative action".

Bush jumped over thousands at his father's request. Graduates with a C- average. Worst president in US History.

John McCain gets in because of father and grandfather. Graduates 5th from bottom out of a graduating class of 899. One of the Keating 5. Forrestahl. Crashed 5 jets. Could have been president.

For the right wing, "Rich and White" can do no wrong.

 

[Avorysuds]

Clearly, Americans were so riled up after what Bush and the Republicans did, they voted FOR Obama as much as they did AGAINST the Republicans.

This time, with Republicans armed with over a billion dollars coming mostly from a few multi billionaires, Republican's voter suppression, which was clearly on display in Penn, Florida, Ohio, among other states, and a white Republican base motivated by race, every Republican possible got out to vote. And from the number of felonies Republican surrogates were charged with, there were more Republican votes than Republicans.

Obama still won by millions. Too many to "fake". And Romney received 47% of the vote. His mistake was thinking the country is 53% white, uneducated and racist.

That had to be the most stupid post I have seen all week... Didn't Obama brag he would have a billion this election? Obama out spent McCain in 2008, so Dems only won because they spent more than Reps? Or is this a "it's different when Dems do it" situatrion?

Check out the demographics of where the money came from. It's been posted before. Republicans had billionaires sending huge chunks of money. Sheldon Adelson said he would give $100,000,000.00. He knew that under Romney's tax plan, he would SAVE $2,000,000,000.00.

Obama broke records for the number of people sending in money in amounts of $50 and $100. The Republican base is poor and uneducated. Most of their money came from the very, very rich. You can't win on a few millionaires and billionaires and a bunch of uneducated, racist white people.

The Democratic people has lots of white people. They are those not welcome in the Republican Party. Gays, college professors, scientists, smart people, uneducated, conservative, liberal, atheists, all kinds of white people. Then you add in blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Hindu, and suddenly, you have a "coalition" party.

We call this the "truth". Republicans call it "dumb".

And your posts get even dumber... Please stop trolling. We get it, you hate white people and Republicans, they are all uneducated while all liberals are super smart, like you... right? You have a college education in something stunningly important, correct?

 

[Avatar4321]

And your posts get even dumber... Please stop trolling. We get it, you hate white people and Republicans, they are all uneducated while all liberals are super smart, like you... right? You have a college education in something stunningly important, correct?

If he does, he should demand a refund.

 

[FJO]

Clearly, Americans were so riled up after what Bush and the Republicans did, they voted FOR Obama as much as they did AGAINST the Republicans.

This time, with Republicans armed with over a billion dollars coming mostly from a few multi billionaires, Republican's voter suppression, which was clearly on display in Penn, Florida, Ohio, among other states, and a white Republican base motivated by race, every Republican possible got out to vote. And from the number of felonies Republican surrogates were charged with, there were more Republican votes than Republicans.

Obama still won by millions. Too many to "fake". And Romney received 47% of the vote. His mistake was thinking the country is 53% white, uneducated and racist.

That had to be the most stupid post I have seen all week... Didn't Obama brag he would have a billion this election? Obama out spent McCain in 2008, so Dems only won because they spent more than Reps? Or is this a "it's different when Dems do it" situatrion?

Check out the demographics of where the money came from. It's been posted before. Republicans had billionaires sending huge chunks of money. Sheldon Adelson said he would give $100,000,000.00. He knew that under Romney's tax plan, he would SAVE $2,000,000,000.00.

Obama broke records for the number of people sending in money in amounts of $50 and $100. The Republican base is poor and uneducated. Most of their money came from the very, very rich. You can't win on a few millionaires and billionaires and a bunch of uneducated, racist white people.

The Democratic people has lots of white people. They are those not welcome in the Republican Party. Gays, college professors, scientists, smart people, uneducated, conservative, liberal, atheists, all kinds of white people. Then you add in blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Hindu, and suddenly, you have a "coalition" party.

We call this the "truth". Republicans call it "dumb".

I have not bothered to find a link, but Sheldon Adelson's or even the Koch Brother's contribution is dwarfed by that of Gyorgy Soros (Nazi sympathizer Hungarian Jew, who made his billions by ruining millions of lives) and other hypocrite uber-rich like those in Hollywood, like Barbra Streisand, Michael Moore, Alec Baldwin, Bill Maher.

Not to mention the millions stolen from hard-working Americans who were forced to pay union dues, knowing fully well that the money stolen from them will go and support crooks they would not support in a million years.