Democrats and Their Associates, Criminal Aliens

[PoliticalChic]

Bottom line: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election. After all, Obama told them to get out and vote.



1. If you want to see how the Left clouds the issue, try finding statistics on illegal alien criminality.
What you'll find is Hillary Clinton's response to the cause of Benghazi massacre....
"What Difference Does It Make????"

Well, for one thing, it would inform Americans' attitudes about the magnitude of the problem.
Ya' think?


2. The government collects any and all data related to the needs of authorized 'victims' of general nastiness by white America, but somehow it neglects to collect data about criminality of illegal aliens...who, by definition....are criminals!
Seems all Democrats rely on illegal aliens do to is what they were allowed to come here to do: vote Democrat.
And they do.



3. And, based on this obfuscation, refusal to collect this data, Liberals can simply sneer at the logic and experience of the other side's attempts to estimate the numbers of illegal aliens, how many vote, the financial burden they place on the public services they require, the costs to the judicial system, increases in police forces, prison guards.....and rape counselors.


Here's how they do it:
PolitiFact: "Rick Perry claim about 3,000 homicides by illegal immigrants not supported by state figures" Rick Perry claim about 3,000 homicides by illegal immigrants not supported by state figures



4. Except that Governor Perry was correct: he quoted the Texas Department of Public Safety:
"Since 2008, more than 203,000 criminal aliens have been booked into Texas county jails. Over the course of their criminal careers, these individuals have committed more than 640,000 crimes in the state of Texas alone, including more than 3,000 homicides and nearly 8,000 sexual assaults."
Where's the beef???




5. Maybe this explains it:
"PolitiFact.com is a project operated by the Tampa Bay Times, in which reporters and editors from the Times and affiliated media outlets "fact-check statements by members of Congress, the White House, lobbyists and interest groups".PolitiFact.com - Wikipedia

The St. PetersburgTampa Bay Times, which started PolitiFact in conjunction with the Congressional Quarterly, is a traditionally liberal paper. We note that PolitiFact's stories appear to damage Republicans far more often than Democrats despite the fact that PF tends to choose about as many stories dealing with Republicans as for Democrats. If the selection process was blind then either proportions should be approximately even or else the party with worse ratings should receive more ratings overall according to what PolitiFact lists as its selection criteria. Plus our independent research helps confirm the hypothesis." PolitiFact Bias: About PolitiFact Bias/FAQ



Did somebody claim 'fake news'???

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. If you'd like to see how scrupulous the data-miners have been, to actually hide the crime statistics on illegal aliens, pick any infinitesimal bit of information you'd like to know about inhabitants of America ....oh, say....like how many occupants of American Samoa have battery powered radios in their homes.....


Wanna know? It's actually here: American FactFinder - Using FactFinder
(2,651 in 2010)


Now try to find data on how many legal and illegal aliens are arrested and convicted for crimes...and what those crimes were.

Good luck.

Still think it's an accident?





7. There is a bare-minimum estimate of the number of immigrants in prisons and jails....but it was only produced due to the demand by Congress.

"The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons in fiscal year 2010 was about 55,000, and the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails was about 296,000 in fiscal year 2009 (the most recent data available), and the majority were from Mexico. The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons increased about 7 percent from about 51,000 in fiscal year 2005 while the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails increased about 35 percent from about 220,000 in fiscal year 2003.


... costs to incarcerate criminal aliens in federal prisons and SCAAP reimbursements to states and localities ranged from about $1.5 billion to $1.6 billion annually from fiscal years 2005 through 2009;....


.... the overall percentage of the criminal alien population carcerated in federal prisons remained consistently around 27 percent of the total inmate population...."
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf


Soooo......why the resistance to control of our borders?


Just as some family would try to hide the fact that their uncle is an offender....the same for Democrats and their associates, criminal aliens.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The hatred of American sovereignty...and of Americans, is nothing new for Democrats.....



8. Democrats knew what they were doing when they passed the 1965 immigration law that altered the flow from European immigrants to the flood from third world nations.

" Prior to 1965, the demographics of immigration stood as mostly Europeans; 68 percent of legal immigrants in the 1950s came from Europe and Canada.

The proponents of the [Democrat] Hart–Celler Act argued that it would not significantly influence United States culture. [Democrat] President Johnson called the bill "not a revolutionary bill. It does not affect the lives of millions."[16] [Democrat] Secretary of State Dean Rusk and other politicians, including [Democrat] Senator Ted Kennedy, asserted that the bill would not affect US demographic mix.[17] However, the ethnic composition of immigrants changed following the passage of the law.[18][19] Specifically, the [Democrat] Hart–Celler Act allowed increased numbers of people to migrate to the United States from Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and Southern and Eastern Europe." Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 - Wikipedia



Democrats certainly must hate American culture, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. " Despite [Democrat] Robert Kennedy's promise that, "Immigration from any single country would be limited to 10 percent of the total," Mexico sent 20 percent of last year's immigrants. Hispanics have made up nearly half of all immigrants since 1968.

[Democrat] Ted Kennedy also claimed the 1965 amendments "will not cause American workers to lose their jobs." Teddy cannot have it both ways: either the immigrant will remain unemployed and become a public charge, or he will take a job that otherwise could have gone to a native American. ....immigrant participation lowers wages.



... the [Democrat] 1965 Immigration Reform Act has remade society into the image its critics most feared. Immigration levels topping a million a year will increase U.S. population to 400 million within 50 years. Meanwhile, exponents of multiculturalism insist new arrivals make no effort to assimilate; to do so would be "genocidal," a notion that makes a mockery of real genocides. Instead, long-forgotten grudges are nursed against the white populace.

All the while, indigenous paychecks drop through lower wages and higher taxes collected to provide social services for immigrants. And this only takes into account legal immigration. " FrontPage Magazine - The 1965 Immigration Act: Anatomy of a Disaster





Former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Bin Mohamad said in a speech in 1997: "We do have the ultimate weapon. People are more mobile now. They can go anywhere. . . . If we are not allowed a good life in our countries, if we are going to be global citizens, then we should migrate North. We should migrate North in our millions, legally or illegally. Masses of Asians and Africans should inundate Europe and America."
Half a Century of Barely Controlled Immigration

How would he vote, Democrat or Republican?

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. It takes superhuman research to dredge up the data on illegal alien criminality.....but I'm up to it!

DHS issued a report indicating that there are twice as many foreign-born criminals as GAO estimated, and that 605,000 of same would be arrested by state and local law enforcement in 2007.


"....in FY 2007 there will be 605,000 foreign-born individuals admitted to state correctional facilities and local jails during the year for committing crimes in the U.S. Of this number, DRO [ICE’s Office of Detention and Removal] estimates half (302,500) will be removable aliens. Most of these incarcerated aliens are being released into the U.S. at the conclusion of their respective sentences because DRO does not have the resources to identify, detain, and remove these aliens under its Criminal Alien Program (CAP).

Further, historical trends indicate that 62 percent of the aliens released will eventually be issued final orders of removal by the U.S. Department of Justice Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR) and later fail to surrender for removal or abscond..... As of December 30, 2005, there were more than 544,000 released aliens with final orders of removal who have absconded."
https://www.oig.dhs.gov/assets/Mgmt/OIG_06-33_Apr06.pdf


Democrats and their criminal alien associates.
Without 'em, the Democrats would never have been able to claim a popular vote victory.

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. Last night, during his speech, President Trump got the Democrats to reveal their hatred for American citizens, and their attachment to lawless criminal aliens.

At 49 minutes into the speech....





...Trump asked for a fund to aid those victims of violence by illegal aliens.....watch the Democrats boo.
All in the hall applaud except for the Democrats.




"I have ordered the Department of Homeland Security to create an office to serve American Victims. The office is called VOICE --- Victims Of Immigration Crime Engagement. We are providing a voice to those who have been ignored by our media, and silenced by special interests."

 

[Winston]

All those statistics you are throwing around, the incarceration numbers and percentages, are meaningless in the debate concerning illegal immigration. For all you know, those "criminal aliens" all got here legally, with proper credentials. A criminal alien is any alien, rather here legally or illegally, that has been convicted of a crime. Tourist here on a tourist visa gets caught shoplifting, criminal alien. Student here on a temporary student visa gets wrote up for drunk and disorderly during the Homecoming festivities, criminal alien.

 

[PoliticalChic]

All those statistics you are throwing around, the incarceration numbers and percentages, are meaningless in the debate concerning illegal immigration. For all you know, those "criminal aliens" all got here legally, with proper credentials. A criminal alien is any alien, rather here legally or illegally, that has been convicted of a crime. Tourist here on a tourist visa gets caught shoplifting, criminal alien. Student here on a temporary student visa gets wrote up for drunk and disorderly during the Homecoming festivities, criminal alien.

So.....I can put you in the column of those supporting illegal aliens over law-abiding Americans.



I appreciate the clarity.

 

[Winston]

All those statistics you are throwing around, the incarceration numbers and percentages, are meaningless in the debate concerning illegal immigration. For all you know, those "criminal aliens" all got here legally, with proper credentials. A criminal alien is any alien, rather here legally or illegally, that has been convicted of a crime. Tourist here on a tourist visa gets caught shoplifting, criminal alien. Student here on a temporary student visa gets wrote up for drunk and disorderly during the Homecoming festivities, criminal alien.

So.....I can put you in the column of those supporting illegal aliens over law-abiding Americans.



I appreciate the clarity.

Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt. Put all that time and energy into a rant based on numbers you don't even understand. Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that bullshit you copied and pasted. A lack of funding, but not for a wall, or not for more officers, or even more enforcement measures. But for a very specific purpose, not that much money really, and the problem is easily solved. But you can't even see it.

Yeah, talk about clarity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

All those statistics you are throwing around, the incarceration numbers and percentages, are meaningless in the debate concerning illegal immigration. For all you know, those "criminal aliens" all got here legally, with proper credentials. A criminal alien is any alien, rather here legally or illegally, that has been convicted of a crime. Tourist here on a tourist visa gets caught shoplifting, criminal alien. Student here on a temporary student visa gets wrote up for drunk and disorderly during the Homecoming festivities, criminal alien.

So.....I can put you in the column of those supporting illegal aliens over law-abiding Americans.



I appreciate the clarity.

Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt. Put all that time and energy into a rant based on numbers you don't even understand. Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that bullshit you copied and pasted. A lack of funding, but not for a wall, or not for more officers, or even more enforcement measures. But for a very specific purpose, not that much money really, and the problem is easily solved. But you can't even see it.

Yeah, talk about clarity.

1. "Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt."
Of course you wrote that
because I put you in your place, huh?

2.".... a rant based on numbers you don't even understand."
I provided numbers and their context.
You're pretty much a jerk, or, a reliable Democrat voter.
True?

3. "Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that b******* you copied and pasted."
Did you notice I produced a cogent attack on your support for lawlessness, and never used vulgarity?

I do it every time.

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. Contrary to the bogus stories by Liberals....talk about fake news.....let's remember that Obama did not increase the numbers of illegal aliens deported over Bush's numbers.
Democrats never had any intention of deporting their allies, the illegal aliens residing in this nation.


a. From the LA Times.....
"...the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.

On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics."
High deportation figures are misleading



b. "Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson acknowledged Tuesday that his department’s deportation numbers are now mostly made up of illegal immigrants caught at the border, not just those from the interior, which means they can’t be compared one-to-one with deportations under President Bush or other prior administrations."
Deportations come mostly from border, DHS chief says


"DHS admits Obama is deporting fewer illegal aliens than George W. Bush

So much for the "Deporter in Chief". Pro-illegal immigration activists and incurious members of the establishment media have tried to claim that Barack Obama has deported more illegal aliens than George W Bush.

That's despite the fact that back on September 28, 2011 Obama admitted this [1]:
"...the statistics are actually a little deceptive because what we’ve been doing is with the stronger border enforcement we’ve been apprehending folks at the borders and sending them back. That is counted as a deportation even though they may have only been held for a day, or 48 hours sent back. That’s counted as a deportation."


Yesterday, Department of Homeland Security secretary Jeh Johnson confirmed how deceptive the statistics are [2]:
Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson acknowledged Tuesday that his department’s deportation numbers are now mostly made up of illegal immigrants caught at the border, not just those from the interior, which means they can’t be compared one-to-one with deportations under President Bush or other prior administrations.


The administration has argued it is tougher on illegal immigration than previous presidents, and immigrant-rights groups have excoriated President Obama, calling him the “deporter-in-chief” for having kicked out nearly 2 million immigrants during his five-year tenure.

But Republican critics have argued those deportation numbers are artificially inflated because more than half of those being deported were new arrivals, caught at the border by the U.S. Border Patrol. Previous administrations primarily counted only those caught in the interior of the U.S. by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

“Under the Obama administration, more than half of those removals that were attributed to ICE are actually a result of Border Patrol arrests that wouldn’t have been counted in prior administrations,” said Rep. John Culberson, Texas Republican.
“Correct,” Mr. Johnson confirmed.
That would mean that in a one-to-one comparison with the final years of the Bush administration, deportations of those same people under Mr. Obama had actually fallen, according to immigration analysts who have studied the data.

That's one less deceptive talking point illegal immigration supporters can use, and it also helps highlight yet again just how incurious many supposed reporters are.
Want to do something about this? Do a search for reporters who've claimed that Obama has deported more illegal aliens than Bush or similar, and then tweet them asking when they'll post a correction.
DHS admits Obama is deporting fewer illegal aliens than George W. Bush | 24Ahead




Bottom line: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.

None.

It keeps wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.

It is only through the actions of Demorats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.

 

[Winston]

All those statistics you are throwing around, the incarceration numbers and percentages, are meaningless in the debate concerning illegal immigration. For all you know, those "criminal aliens" all got here legally, with proper credentials. A criminal alien is any alien, rather here legally or illegally, that has been convicted of a crime. Tourist here on a tourist visa gets caught shoplifting, criminal alien. Student here on a temporary student visa gets wrote up for drunk and disorderly during the Homecoming festivities, criminal alien.

So.....I can put you in the column of those supporting illegal aliens over law-abiding Americans.



I appreciate the clarity.

Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt. Put all that time and energy into a rant based on numbers you don't even understand. Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that bullshit you copied and pasted. A lack of funding, but not for a wall, or not for more officers, or even more enforcement measures. But for a very specific purpose, not that much money really, and the problem is easily solved. But you can't even see it.

Yeah, talk about clarity.

1. "Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt."
Of course you wrote that
because I put you in your place, huh?

2.".... a rant based on numbers you don't even understand."
I provided numbers and their context.
You're pretty much a jerk, or, a reliable Democrat voter.
True?

3. "Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that b******* you copied and pasted."
Did you notice I produced a cogent attack on your support for lawlessness, and never used vulgarity?

I do it every time.

I would like to buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth. I could retire.

You start off talking about the criminality of illegal immigrants but all your statistics are about criminal aliens, which by definition also includes legal immigrants convicted of a crime. So yes, you did not even understand the statistics you were posting. And I was also correct, with the solution right there in front of you you still can't see it. And finally, you haven't amounted a cogent attack of anything, except in your own little mind, because your statistics don't match your contention.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. Hiding the data on illegal alien arrest records isn't the only issue clouded by the Democrats: the numbers of illegals residing in the country is a further obfuscation.

Ask how many illegal are permanent in this country, and all you get is the bogus "11 million" figure......it never seems to increase with the millions that insinuate their way in each year.

"For a decade now, no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.

Were it 20 million or more–a larger population than New York state–Americans might be getting really angry.

Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade."
How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?

 

[miketx]

Last night at the Presidents address, I saw all I or anyone else ever needed to know about the worthless snake scum democrats.

 

[miketx]

All those statistics you are throwing around, the incarceration numbers and percentages, are meaningless in the debate concerning illegal immigration. For all you know, those "criminal aliens" all got here legally, with proper credentials. A criminal alien is any alien, rather here legally or illegally, that has been convicted of a crime. Tourist here on a tourist visa gets caught shoplifting, criminal alien. Student here on a temporary student visa gets wrote up for drunk and disorderly during the Homecoming festivities, criminal alien.

So.....I can put you in the column of those supporting illegal aliens over law-abiding Americans.



I appreciate the clarity.

Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt. Put all that time and energy into a rant based on numbers you don't even understand. Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that bullshit you copied and pasted. A lack of funding, but not for a wall, or not for more officers, or even more enforcement measures. But for a very specific purpose, not that much money really, and the problem is easily solved. But you can't even see it.

Yeah, talk about clarity.

1. "Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt."
Of course you wrote that
because I put you in your place, huh?

2.".... a rant based on numbers you don't even understand."
I provided numbers and their context.
You're pretty much a jerk, or, a reliable Democrat voter.
True?

3. "Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that b******* you copied and pasted."
Did you notice I produced a cogent attack on your support for lawlessness, and never used vulgarity?

I do it every time.

I would like to buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth. I could retire.

You start off talking about the criminality of illegal immigrants but all your statistics are about criminal aliens, which by definition also includes legal immigrants convicted of a crime. So yes, you did not even understand the statistics you were posting. And I was also correct, with the solution right there in front of you you still can't see it. And finally, you haven't amounted a cogent attack of anything, except in your own little mind, because your statistics don't match your contention.

Show us your statistics then.

 

[PoliticalChic]

All those statistics you are throwing around, the incarceration numbers and percentages, are meaningless in the debate concerning illegal immigration. For all you know, those "criminal aliens" all got here legally, with proper credentials. A criminal alien is any alien, rather here legally or illegally, that has been convicted of a crime. Tourist here on a tourist visa gets caught shoplifting, criminal alien. Student here on a temporary student visa gets wrote up for drunk and disorderly during the Homecoming festivities, criminal alien.

So.....I can put you in the column of those supporting illegal aliens over law-abiding Americans.



I appreciate the clarity.

Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt. Put all that time and energy into a rant based on numbers you don't even understand. Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that bullshit you copied and pasted. A lack of funding, but not for a wall, or not for more officers, or even more enforcement measures. But for a very specific purpose, not that much money really, and the problem is easily solved. But you can't even see it.

Yeah, talk about clarity.

1. "Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt."
Of course you wrote that
because I put you in your place, huh?

2.".... a rant based on numbers you don't even understand."
I provided numbers and their context.
You're pretty much a jerk, or, a reliable Democrat voter.
True?

3. "Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that b******* you copied and pasted."
Did you notice I produced a cogent attack on your support for lawlessness, and never used vulgarity?

I do it every time.

I would like to buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth. I could retire.

You start off talking about the criminality of illegal immigrants but all your statistics are about criminal aliens, which by definition also includes legal immigrants convicted of a crime. So yes, you did not even understand the statistics you were posting. And I was also correct, with the solution right there in front of you you still can't see it. And finally, you haven't amounted a cogent attack of anything, except in your own little mind, because your statistics don't match your contention.

All those statistics you are throwing around, the incarceration numbers and percentages, are meaningless in the debate concerning illegal immigration. For all you know, those "criminal aliens" all got here legally, with proper credentials. A criminal alien is any alien, rather here legally or illegally, that has been convicted of a crime. Tourist here on a tourist visa gets caught shoplifting, criminal alien. Student here on a temporary student visa gets wrote up for drunk and disorderly during the Homecoming festivities, criminal alien.

So.....I can put you in the column of those supporting illegal aliens over law-abiding Americans.



I appreciate the clarity.

Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt. Put all that time and energy into a rant based on numbers you don't even understand. Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that bullshit you copied and pasted. A lack of funding, but not for a wall, or not for more officers, or even more enforcement measures. But for a very specific purpose, not that much money really, and the problem is easily solved. But you can't even see it.

Yeah, talk about clarity.

1. "Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt."
Of course you wrote that
because I put you in your place, huh?

2.".... a rant based on numbers you don't even understand."
I provided numbers and their context.
You're pretty much a jerk, or, a reliable Democrat voter.
True?

3. "Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that b******* you copied and pasted."
Did you notice I produced a cogent attack on your support for lawlessness, and never used vulgarity?

I do it every time.

I would like to buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth. I could retire.

You start off talking about the criminality of illegal immigrants but all your statistics are about criminal aliens, which by definition also includes legal immigrants convicted of a crime. So yes, you did not even understand the statistics you were posting. And I was also correct, with the solution right there in front of you you still can't see it. And finally, you haven't amounted a cogent attack of anything, except in your own little mind, because your statistics don't match your contention.

Begging for another chance???



Sure...now stop your hand-wringing and take notes so I don't have give you another failing grade:


"The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons in fiscal year 2010 was about 55,000, and the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails was about 296,000 in fiscal year 2009 (the most recent data available), and the majority were from Mexico. The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons increased about 7 percent from about 51,000 in fiscal year 2005 while the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails increased about 35 percent from about 220,000 in fiscal year 2003.


... costs to incarcerate criminal aliens in federal prisons and SCAAP reimbursements to states and localities ranged from about $1.5 billion to $1.6 billion annually from fiscal years 2005 through 2009;....


.... the overall percentage of the criminal alien population carcerated in federal prisons remained consistently around 27 percent of the total inmate population...."
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf




"....in FY 2007 there will be 605,000 foreign-born individuals admitted to state correctional facilities and local jails during the year for committing crimes in the U.S. Of this number, DRO [ICE’s Office of Detention and Removal] estimates half (302,500) will be removable aliens. Most of these incarcerated aliens are being released into the U.S. at the conclusion of their respective sentences because DRO does not have the resources to identify, detain, and remove these aliens under its Criminal Alien Program (CAP).

Further, historical trends indicate that 62 percent of the aliens released will eventually be issued final orders of removal by the U.S. Department of Justice Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR) and later fail to surrender for removal or abscond..... As of December 30, 2005, there were more than 544,000 released aliens with final orders of removal who have absconded."
https://www.oig.dhs.gov/assets/Mgmt/OIG_06-33_Apr06.pdf

 

[PoliticalChic]

All those statistics you are throwing around, the incarceration numbers and percentages, are meaningless in the debate concerning illegal immigration. For all you know, those "criminal aliens" all got here legally, with proper credentials. A criminal alien is any alien, rather here legally or illegally, that has been convicted of a crime. Tourist here on a tourist visa gets caught shoplifting, criminal alien. Student here on a temporary student visa gets wrote up for drunk and disorderly during the Homecoming festivities, criminal alien.

So.....I can put you in the column of those supporting illegal aliens over law-abiding Americans.



I appreciate the clarity.

Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt. Put all that time and energy into a rant based on numbers you don't even understand. Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that bullshit you copied and pasted. A lack of funding, but not for a wall, or not for more officers, or even more enforcement measures. But for a very specific purpose, not that much money really, and the problem is easily solved. But you can't even see it.

Yeah, talk about clarity.

1. "Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt."
Of course you wrote that
because I put you in your place, huh?

2.".... a rant based on numbers you don't even understand."
I provided numbers and their context.
You're pretty much a jerk, or, a reliable Democrat voter.
True?

3. "Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that b******* you copied and pasted."
Did you notice I produced a cogent attack on your support for lawlessness, and never used vulgarity?

I do it every time.

I would like to buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth. I could retire.

You start off talking about the criminality of illegal immigrants but all your statistics are about criminal aliens, which by definition also includes legal immigrants convicted of a crime. So yes, you did not even understand the statistics you were posting. And I was also correct, with the solution right there in front of you you still can't see it. And finally, you haven't amounted a cogent attack of anything, except in your own little mind, because your statistics don't match your contention.

Show us your statistics then.

You have to keep in mind that government school grads, that dunce above, has been raised via the 'Mushroom Management Technique:"

1. Keep them in the dark.
2. Feed them full of s**t.
Urban Dictionary: mushroom management



Don't expect any real data from a Liberal.

 

[JohnnyApplesack]

 

[Winston]

All those statistics you are throwing around, the incarceration numbers and percentages, are meaningless in the debate concerning illegal immigration. For all you know, those "criminal aliens" all got here legally, with proper credentials. A criminal alien is any alien, rather here legally or illegally, that has been convicted of a crime. Tourist here on a tourist visa gets caught shoplifting, criminal alien. Student here on a temporary student visa gets wrote up for drunk and disorderly during the Homecoming festivities, criminal alien.

So.....I can put you in the column of those supporting illegal aliens over law-abiding Americans.



I appreciate the clarity.

Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt. Put all that time and energy into a rant based on numbers you don't even understand. Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that bullshit you copied and pasted. A lack of funding, but not for a wall, or not for more officers, or even more enforcement measures. But for a very specific purpose, not that much money really, and the problem is easily solved. But you can't even see it.

Yeah, talk about clarity.

1. "Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt."
Of course you wrote that
because I put you in your place, huh?

2.".... a rant based on numbers you don't even understand."
I provided numbers and their context.
You're pretty much a jerk, or, a reliable Democrat voter.
True?

3. "Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that b******* you copied and pasted."
Did you notice I produced a cogent attack on your support for lawlessness, and never used vulgarity?

I do it every time.

I would like to buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth. I could retire.

You start off talking about the criminality of illegal immigrants but all your statistics are about criminal aliens, which by definition also includes legal immigrants convicted of a crime. So yes, you did not even understand the statistics you were posting. And I was also correct, with the solution right there in front of you you still can't see it. And finally, you haven't amounted a cogent attack of anything, except in your own little mind, because your statistics don't match your contention.

All those statistics you are throwing around, the incarceration numbers and percentages, are meaningless in the debate concerning illegal immigration. For all you know, those "criminal aliens" all got here legally, with proper credentials. A criminal alien is any alien, rather here legally or illegally, that has been convicted of a crime. Tourist here on a tourist visa gets caught shoplifting, criminal alien. Student here on a temporary student visa gets wrote up for drunk and disorderly during the Homecoming festivities, criminal alien.

So.....I can put you in the column of those supporting illegal aliens over law-abiding Americans.



I appreciate the clarity.

Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt. Put all that time and energy into a rant based on numbers you don't even understand. Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that bullshit you copied and pasted. A lack of funding, but not for a wall, or not for more officers, or even more enforcement measures. But for a very specific purpose, not that much money really, and the problem is easily solved. But you can't even see it.

Yeah, talk about clarity.

1. "Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt."
Of course you wrote that
because I put you in your place, huh?

2.".... a rant based on numbers you don't even understand."
I provided numbers and their context.
You're pretty much a jerk, or, a reliable Democrat voter.
True?

3. "Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that b******* you copied and pasted."
Did you notice I produced a cogent attack on your support for lawlessness, and never used vulgarity?

I do it every time.

I would like to buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth. I could retire.

You start off talking about the criminality of illegal immigrants but all your statistics are about criminal aliens, which by definition also includes legal immigrants convicted of a crime. So yes, you did not even understand the statistics you were posting. And I was also correct, with the solution right there in front of you you still can't see it. And finally, you haven't amounted a cogent attack of anything, except in your own little mind, because your statistics don't match your contention.

Begging for another chance???



Sure...now stop your hand-wringing and take notes so I don't have give you another failing grade:


"The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons in fiscal year 2010 was about 55,000, and the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails was about 296,000 in fiscal year 2009 (the most recent data available), and the majority were from Mexico. The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons increased about 7 percent from about 51,000 in fiscal year 2005 while the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails increased about 35 percent from about 220,000 in fiscal year 2003.


... costs to incarcerate criminal aliens in federal prisons and SCAAP reimbursements to states and localities ranged from about $1.5 billion to $1.6 billion annually from fiscal years 2005 through 2009;....


.... the overall percentage of the criminal alien population carcerated in federal prisons remained consistently around 27 percent of the total inmate population...."
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf




"....in FY 2007 there will be 605,000 foreign-born individuals admitted to state correctional facilities and local jails during the year for committing crimes in the U.S. Of this number, DRO [ICE’s Office of Detention and Removal] estimates half (302,500) will be removable aliens. Most of these incarcerated aliens are being released into the U.S. at the conclusion of their respective sentences because DRO does not have the resources to identify, detain, and remove these aliens under its Criminal Alien Program (CAP).

Further, historical trends indicate that 62 percent of the aliens released will eventually be issued final orders of removal by the U.S. Department of Justice Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR) and later fail to surrender for removal or abscond..... As of December 30, 2005, there were more than 544,000 released aliens with final orders of removal who have absconded."
https://www.oig.dhs.gov/assets/Mgmt/OIG_06-33_Apr06.pdf

From your source, that you keep repeating,

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimated that as of fiscal year 2009 the total alien—non-U.S.-citizen—population in the United States was about 25.3 million, including about 14.5 million aliens with lawful immigration status and about 10.8 million aliens without lawful immigration status.1 Some of the alien population have been arrested and convicted of various crimes and incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails. DHS refers to these individuals as criminal aliens.

Since the numbers include LEGAL immigrants you can't use them to support arguments against ILLEGAL immigrants. For all we know all the immigrants that are locked up got here legally and were legal residents, they just committed a crime. Meanwhile, all the illegal immigrants kept their noses clean and their asses out of trouble.

 

[miketx]

So.....I can put you in the column of those supporting illegal aliens over law-abiding Americans.



I appreciate the clarity.

Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt. Put all that time and energy into a rant based on numbers you don't even understand. Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that bullshit you copied and pasted. A lack of funding, but not for a wall, or not for more officers, or even more enforcement measures. But for a very specific purpose, not that much money really, and the problem is easily solved. But you can't even see it.

Yeah, talk about clarity.

1. "Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt."
Of course you wrote that
because I put you in your place, huh?

2.".... a rant based on numbers you don't even understand."
I provided numbers and their context.
You're pretty much a jerk, or, a reliable Democrat voter.
True?

3. "Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that b******* you copied and pasted."
Did you notice I produced a cogent attack on your support for lawlessness, and never used vulgarity?

I do it every time.

I would like to buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth. I could retire.

You start off talking about the criminality of illegal immigrants but all your statistics are about criminal aliens, which by definition also includes legal immigrants convicted of a crime. So yes, you did not even understand the statistics you were posting. And I was also correct, with the solution right there in front of you you still can't see it. And finally, you haven't amounted a cogent attack of anything, except in your own little mind, because your statistics don't match your contention.

So.....I can put you in the column of those supporting illegal aliens over law-abiding Americans.



I appreciate the clarity.

Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt. Put all that time and energy into a rant based on numbers you don't even understand. Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that bullshit you copied and pasted. A lack of funding, but not for a wall, or not for more officers, or even more enforcement measures. But for a very specific purpose, not that much money really, and the problem is easily solved. But you can't even see it.

Yeah, talk about clarity.

1. "Ah, I guess your widdle feelings got hurt."
Of course you wrote that
because I put you in your place, huh?

2.".... a rant based on numbers you don't even understand."
I provided numbers and their context.
You're pretty much a jerk, or, a reliable Democrat voter.
True?

3. "Even better, the solution is right there before your very eyes, among all that b******* you copied and pasted."
Did you notice I produced a cogent attack on your support for lawlessness, and never used vulgarity?

I do it every time.

I would like to buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth. I could retire.

You start off talking about the criminality of illegal immigrants but all your statistics are about criminal aliens, which by definition also includes legal immigrants convicted of a crime. So yes, you did not even understand the statistics you were posting. And I was also correct, with the solution right there in front of you you still can't see it. And finally, you haven't amounted a cogent attack of anything, except in your own little mind, because your statistics don't match your contention.

Begging for another chance???



Sure...now stop your hand-wringing and take notes so I don't have give you another failing grade:


"The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons in fiscal year 2010 was about 55,000, and the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails was about 296,000 in fiscal year 2009 (the most recent data available), and the majority were from Mexico. The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons increased about 7 percent from about 51,000 in fiscal year 2005 while the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails increased about 35 percent from about 220,000 in fiscal year 2003.


... costs to incarcerate criminal aliens in federal prisons and SCAAP reimbursements to states and localities ranged from about $1.5 billion to $1.6 billion annually from fiscal years 2005 through 2009;....


.... the overall percentage of the criminal alien population carcerated in federal prisons remained consistently around 27 percent of the total inmate population...."
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf




"....in FY 2007 there will be 605,000 foreign-born individuals admitted to state correctional facilities and local jails during the year for committing crimes in the U.S. Of this number, DRO [ICE’s Office of Detention and Removal] estimates half (302,500) will be removable aliens. Most of these incarcerated aliens are being released into the U.S. at the conclusion of their respective sentences because DRO does not have the resources to identify, detain, and remove these aliens under its Criminal Alien Program (CAP).

Further, historical trends indicate that 62 percent of the aliens released will eventually be issued final orders of removal by the U.S. Department of Justice Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR) and later fail to surrender for removal or abscond..... As of December 30, 2005, there were more than 544,000 released aliens with final orders of removal who have absconded."
https://www.oig.dhs.gov/assets/Mgmt/OIG_06-33_Apr06.pdf

From your source, that you keep repeating,

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimated that as of fiscal year 2009 the total alien—non-U.S.-citizen—population in the United States was about 25.3 million, including about 14.5 million aliens with lawful immigration status and about 10.8 million aliens without lawful immigration status.1 Some of the alien population have been arrested and convicted of various crimes and incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails. DHS refers to these individuals as criminal aliens.

Since the numbers include LEGAL immigrants you can't use them to support arguments against ILLEGAL immigrants. For all we know all the immigrants that are locked up got here legally and were legal residents, they just committed a crime. Meanwhile, all the illegal immigrants kept their noses clean and their asses out of trouble.

We can use them and we will. You can't do anything about it.