Declassified: Critics Were Right - President Reagan Unnecessarily Put World At Risk of Nuclear War

[Procrustes Stretched]

okay. Ignore the content of the posts. I'll just ignore you in this thread

Why would anyone start a thread where they're guaranteed to get there ass whopped? If you start out with such a weak and hackneyed premise, what do you expect? Worse, you paint yourself in a corner where a puny I'll-ignore-you response is all you have left.

God, you have to despair at the dumbing down of America.[/QUOTE]
ok. you only have an interest in avoiding addressing the OP and it's content

Those who opposed Reagan taking steps that helped lead to things were conservatives and right wing critics of Reagan. It was only after Reagan went along with the moderates and liberals that things started working out.

How can you deny the truth? White House concluded Kremlin was ready for war

www.usmessageboard.com declassified-critics-were-right-president-reagan-unnecessarily-put-world-at-risk-of-nuclear-war.​

 

[Meathead]

okay. Ignore the content of the posts. I'll just ignore you in this thread

Why would anyone start a thread where they're guaranteed to get there ass whopped? If you start out with such a weak and hackneyed premise, what do you expect? Worse, you paint yourself in a corner where a puny I'll-ignore-you response is all you have left.

God, you have to despair at the dumbing down of America.

ok. you only have an interest in avoiding addressing the OP and it's content

Those who opposed Reagan taking steps that helped lead to things were conservatives and right wing critics of Reagan. It was only after Reagan went along with the moderates and liberals that things started working out.

How can you deny the truth? White House concluded Kremlin was ready for war

www.usmessageboard.com declassified-critics-were-right-president-reagan-unnecessarily-put-world-at-risk-of-nuclear-war.​

[/QUOTE]Please don't put your puny words in my mouth.

 

[Sallow]

Declassified: Left Was Right - President Reagan Unnecessarily Put World At Risk of Nuclear War

Reagan later made nice with the Soviets and that brought about conversations between the US and the Soviets. Right Wingers would have started a nuclear war with their get tough bullcrap

By David E. Hoffman October 24 at 9:05 AM
A nuclear weapons command exercise by NATO in November 1983 prompted fear in the leadership of the Soviet Union that the maneuvers were a cover for a nuclear surprise attack by the United States, triggering a series of unparalleled Soviet military responses, according to a top-secret U.S. intelligence review that has just been declassified.

“In 1983, we may have inadvertently placed our relations with the Soviet Union on a hair trigger,” the review concluded.

[Read the U.S. assessment on Soviet fears]
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In 1983 ‘war scare,’ Soviet leadership feared nuclear surprise attack by U.S.

George Will

1988: Reagan Abandoned, Mocked by Hardline Conservatives

As the end of President Reagan’s final term approaches, conservatives and hardliners have radically changed their view of him. They originally saw him as one of their own—a crusader for good against evil, obstinately opposed to communism in general and to any sort of arms reduction agreement with the Soviet Union in specific. But recent events—Reagan’s recent moderation in rhetoric towards the Soviets (see December 1983 and After),...

...

Conservative Opposition - Hardline conservatives protest Gorbachev’s visit to Washington, and the signing of the treaty, in the strongest possible terms. When Reagan suggests that Gorbachev address a joint session of Congress, Congressional Republicans, led by House member Dick Cheney (R-WY—see 1983), rebel.

Cheney says: “Addressing a joint meeting of Congress is a high honor, one of the highest honors we can accord anyone. Given the fact of continuing Soviet aggression in Afghanistan, Soviet repression in Eastern Europe, and Soviet actions in Africa and Central America, it is totally inappropriate to confer this honor upon Gorbachev. He is an adversary, not an ally.”

Conservative Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Committee is more blunt in his assessment of the treaty agreement: “Reagan is a weakened president, weakened in spirit as well as in clout, and not in a position to make judgments about Gorbachev at this time.”

Conservative pundit William F. Buckley calls the treaty a “suicide pact.” Fellow conservative pundit George Will calls Reagan “wildly wrong” in his dealings with the Soviets.

Conservatives gather to bemoan what they call “summit fever,” accusing Reagan of “appeasement” both of communists and of Congressional liberals, and protesting Reagan’s “cutting deals with the evil empire” (see March 8, 1983).

They mount a letter-writing campaign, generating some 300,000 letters, and launch a newspaper ad campaign that compares Reagan to former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. Senators Jesse Helms (R-NC) and Steven Symms (R-ID) try to undercut the treaty by attempting to add amendments that would make the treaty untenable; Helms will lead a filibuster against the treaty as well.​

Not really no. Been a couple times since Reagan we were 'whoa shit that was close.' The public posturing and bluster of this time was for show. Neither the US, nor Russia ever had any serious intentions of having a nuclear exchange because both sides were sober and sensible enough to understand what would be the result. As evidenced later with Yeltzin, even given every indication of incoming US ICBMs, they weren't interested in retaliating. Their 'let's wait for a detonation' is why we're all here.

Though it looks crazy, major nuclear powers aren't ever going to willingly launch their arsenals at one another. Smaller powers like India, Pakistan, DPRK...All bets are off. Completely different cultures and psychologies in play so harder to predict and assess.

Were several times during the height of the cold war the US had an objective superiority over Soviet nuclear forces where we coulda attacked and decidely won. More missiles, better guidance systems, more reliable nuclear systems. They could retaliated, but what they had at the time woulda amounted to SCUDs landing off shore and the like. But despite this supreme advantage we didn't attack.

What's put us closer to a nuclear launch has always been the mechanics involved. Perverbial 50 cent lights going out, or other major malfunctions. And the launch-on-warning idea was probably the worst idea ever thought of other than gods. Launch-on-detonation is better. Rules out mistakes and computer glitches.

That's nuts.

A nuclear exchange, even on a small scale, would do serious damage to the planet.

"We could of won" is an idiotic meme.

A war between the US and Russia would have meant the end of most life.

 

[Sallow]

Reagan was one of the worst Presidents the US ever had.

His "signature success", the dissolution of the Soviet Union, cost the US billions.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Please don't...

ok. you only have an interest in avoiding addressing the OP and it's content

Those who opposed Reagan taking steps that helped lead to things were conservatives and right wing critics of Reagan. It was only after Reagan went along with the moderates and liberals that things started working out.

How can you deny the truth? White House concluded Kremlin was ready for war

www.usmessageboard.com declassified-critics-were-right-president-reagan-unnecessarily-put-world-at-risk-of-nuclear-war.​

 

[Meathead]

Please don't...

ok. you only have an interest in avoiding addressing the OP and it's content

Those who opposed Reagan taking steps that helped lead to things were conservatives and right wing critics of Reagan. It was only after Reagan went along with the moderates and liberals that things started working out.

How can you deny the truth? White House concluded Kremlin was ready for war

www.usmessageboard.com declassified-critics-were-right-president-reagan-unnecessarily-put-world-at-risk-of-nuclear-war.​

Puny stuff.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Declassified: Left Was Right - President Reagan Unnecessarily Put World At Risk of Nuclear War

Reagan later made nice with the Soviets and that brought about conversations between the US and the Soviets. Right Wingers would have started a nuclear war with their get tough bullcrap

By David E. Hoffman October 24 at 9:05 AM
A nuclear weapons command exercise by NATO in November 1983 prompted fear in the leadership of the Soviet Union that the maneuvers were a cover for a nuclear surprise attack by the United States, triggering a series of unparalleled Soviet military responses, according to a top-secret U.S. intelligence review that has just been declassified.

“In 1983, we may have inadvertently placed our relations with the Soviet Union on a hair trigger,” the review concluded.

[Read the U.S. assessment on Soviet fears]
​

In 1983 ‘war scare,’ Soviet leadership feared nuclear surprise attack by U.S.

George Will

1988: Reagan Abandoned, Mocked by Hardline Conservatives

As the end of President Reagan’s final term approaches, conservatives and hardliners have radically changed their view of him. They originally saw him as one of their own—a crusader for good against evil, obstinately opposed to communism in general and to any sort of arms reduction agreement with the Soviet Union in specific. But recent events—Reagan’s recent moderation in rhetoric towards the Soviets (see December 1983 and After),...

...

Conservative Opposition - Hardline conservatives protest Gorbachev’s visit to Washington, and the signing of the treaty, in the strongest possible terms. When Reagan suggests that Gorbachev address a joint session of Congress, Congressional Republicans, led by House member Dick Cheney (R-WY—see 1983), rebel.

Cheney says: “Addressing a joint meeting of Congress is a high honor, one of the highest honors we can accord anyone. Given the fact of continuing Soviet aggression in Afghanistan, Soviet repression in Eastern Europe, and Soviet actions in Africa and Central America, it is totally inappropriate to confer this honor upon Gorbachev. He is an adversary, not an ally.”

Conservative Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Committee is more blunt in his assessment of the treaty agreement: “Reagan is a weakened president, weakened in spirit as well as in clout, and not in a position to make judgments about Gorbachev at this time.”

Conservative pundit William F. Buckley calls the treaty a “suicide pact.” Fellow conservative pundit George Will calls Reagan “wildly wrong” in his dealings with the Soviets.

Conservatives gather to bemoan what they call “summit fever,” accusing Reagan of “appeasement” both of communists and of Congressional liberals, and protesting Reagan’s “cutting deals with the evil empire” (see March 8, 1983).

They mount a letter-writing campaign, generating some 300,000 letters, and launch a newspaper ad campaign that compares Reagan to former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. Senators Jesse Helms (R-NC) and Steven Symms (R-ID) try to undercut the treaty by attempting to add amendments that would make the treaty untenable; Helms will lead a filibuster against the treaty as well.​

So no one on the late night/early morning weekend shift capable of tackling the points in the OP

 

[IsaacNewton]

Declassified: Left Was Right - President Reagan Unnecessarily Put World At Risk of Nuclear War

Reagan later made nice with the Soviets and that brought about conversations between the US and the Soviets. Right Wingers would have started a nuclear war with their get tough bullcrap

By David E. Hoffman October 24 at 9:05 AM
A nuclear weapons command exercise by NATO in November 1983 prompted fear in the leadership of the Soviet Union that the maneuvers were a cover for a nuclear surprise attack by the United States, triggering a series of unparalleled Soviet military responses, according to a top-secret U.S. intelligence review that has just been declassified.

“In 1983, we may have inadvertently placed our relations with the Soviet Union on a hair trigger,” the review concluded.

[Read the U.S. assessment on Soviet fears]
​

In 1983 ‘war scare,’ Soviet leadership feared nuclear surprise attack by U.S.

George Will

1988: Reagan Abandoned, Mocked by Hardline Conservatives

As the end of President Reagan’s final term approaches, conservatives and hardliners have radically changed their view of him. They originally saw him as one of their own—a crusader for good against evil, obstinately opposed to communism in general and to any sort of arms reduction agreement with the Soviet Union in specific. But recent events—Reagan’s recent moderation in rhetoric towards the Soviets (see December 1983 and After),...

...

Conservative Opposition - Hardline conservatives protest Gorbachev’s visit to Washington, and the signing of the treaty, in the strongest possible terms. When Reagan suggests that Gorbachev address a joint session of Congress, Congressional Republicans, led by House member Dick Cheney (R-WY—see 1983), rebel.

Cheney says: “Addressing a joint meeting of Congress is a high honor, one of the highest honors we can accord anyone. Given the fact of continuing Soviet aggression in Afghanistan, Soviet repression in Eastern Europe, and Soviet actions in Africa and Central America, it is totally inappropriate to confer this honor upon Gorbachev. He is an adversary, not an ally.”

Conservative Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Committee is more blunt in his assessment of the treaty agreement: “Reagan is a weakened president, weakened in spirit as well as in clout, and not in a position to make judgments about Gorbachev at this time.”

Conservative pundit William F. Buckley calls the treaty a “suicide pact.” Fellow conservative pundit George Will calls Reagan “wildly wrong” in his dealings with the Soviets.

Conservatives gather to bemoan what they call “summit fever,” accusing Reagan of “appeasement” both of communists and of Congressional liberals, and protesting Reagan’s “cutting deals with the evil empire” (see March 8, 1983).

They mount a letter-writing campaign, generating some 300,000 letters, and launch a newspaper ad campaign that compares Reagan to former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. Senators Jesse Helms (R-NC) and Steven Symms (R-ID) try to undercut the treaty by attempting to add amendments that would make the treaty untenable; Helms will lead a filibuster against the treaty as well.​

Yes neocons have been busy little beavers trying to paint Raygun as something other than a criminal, which he was. Will be interesting to see how cons spin this in the news in the coming weeks. They will be in full 'but our grandpa was always good and dripping with honey'...

He was a criminal that should have spent the rest of his life in jail, for Iran/Contra among other things.

 

[Obiwan]

Reagan was one of the worst Presidents the US ever had.

His "signature success", the dissolution of the Soviet Union, cost the US billions.

And removed that threat of nuclear war...

Are the Democrats really that into post-birth abortions???

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Well done Mr. President. His accomplishments resonate even today!

Progressive HATE that Reagan called their home-team an "Evil Empire" vowed to defeat them and kicked their ass

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We keep saying Reagan freed Eastern Europe from the dehumanizing oppression of Communism like its a good think, forgetting that Progressives hate all human life and believe that slavery, government control and oppression are the best things that could ever happen to a people.

 

[Meathead]

Well done Mr. President. His accomplishments resonate even today!

Progressive HATE that Reagan called their home-team an "Evil Empire" vowed to defeat them and kicked their ass

Yeah, and he did too.

 

[Wildman]

Declassified: Left Was Right - President Reagan Unnecessarily Put World At Risk of Nuclear War

big fucking WHOOP-DEE-DOO-DOO!! it never happened so why bring it up now??

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Declassified: Left Was Right - President Reagan Unnecessarily Put World At Risk of Nuclear War

big fucking WHOOP-DEE-DOO-DOO!! it never happened so why bring it up now??

Why? Imbecile! Because it is late breaking news .. recently declassified.


btw, Imitation is a most sincere form of flattery, but in this case Dante MUST insist you cease and desist.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Total horseshit because the communist were always trying to expand their empire. Communist use the same playbook all over the world which is attack the other side but when the defend themselves accuse them of being the aggressors.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Total horseshit because the communist were always trying to expand their empire. Communist use the same playbook all over the world which is attack the other side but when the defend themselves accuse them of being the aggressors.

try and stay on topic. No one cares about your emotional retardation over the Soviet Union

 

[eagle7_31]

Well done Mr. President. His accomplishments resonate even today!

On a more serious note, what do you like about the devastating truth?

When you post something true and accurate please let us know. So far its hot air.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

When you post something true and accurate please let us know. So far its hot air.

What is untrue in declassified documents from Reagan's own White House showing Reagan almost started WWIII - a nuke war, needlessly?

 

[eagle7_31]

When you post something true and accurate please let us know. So far its hot air.

What is untrue in declassified documents from Reagan's own White House showing Reagan almost started WWIII - a nuke war, needlessly?

No nuke war was going to happen. Russian communists making their usual noise and some White House folks getting the gitters. We were closer to a nuclear war with the Cuban missile crisis than anytime under Reagan. As for the author he has his opinion, the facts in the end proved otherwise.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

When you post something true and accurate please let us know. So far its hot air.

What is untrue in declassified documents from Reagan's own White House showing Reagan almost started WWIII - a nuke war, needlessly?

No nuke war was going to happen. Russian communists making their usual noise and some White House folks getting the gitters. We were closer to a nuclear war with the Cuban missile crisis than anytime under Reagan. As for the author he has his opinion, the facts in the end proved otherwise.

The author? You mean the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board of 1990? Read the U.S. assessment that concluded the Soviet leadership feared an American nuclear strike in 1983 ?

Read the U.S. assessment that concluded the Soviet leadership feared an American nuclear strike in 1983
The Kremlin, uncertain about U.S. intentions, ordered a series of military measures that appeared to be preparation for war, a White House review concluded. In 1983 'war scare,' Soviet leadership feared nuclear surprise attack by U.S.