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  1. nosarcasm
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    Its like that I lived in the Us for 4+ years now I lived 30 years in Germany.
    I am by passport a German and US permanent resident.

    After 5 years I could become a US citizen and retain my
    German citizenship ( universal healthcare and national pride )

    I will probably go for the PHD in Washington DC at a private university in International relations.

    Now my moral problem. I feel I am 70% German 30% American.

    I am ideologically a supporter of the trans atlantic-alliance.

    I believe in a culture war between the west (NAto) and the muslims.

    Becoming a US citizen has some legal advantages and as a guest
    and believing in the concept of honoring your host I am pro american.
    I have had few instances of discrimination where people equate me
    to Nazis but in general I am very welcomed here. Thanks for that.

    When I would become a Us citizen I would have to swear my alligiance
    to the US. While that in general is not the problem, it also would
    theoretically say I only support the US.

    This would not be 100% honest. I am a German still in my heart.
    I would not work against the Us or Germany. My interest are good
    relationships between the countries.

    As you might have noticed from my posts I am a centrist that
    like to call it as I see it.

    I wonder if I should go for the step and become a US citizen.

    Is it morally right ? Because I cant be a 100% American.
    Still I am interested in what is good for the US and Germany.

    Sure I could just go for it, and do it , but it is more a moral
    question.

    Is it right to pledge allegiance to the Us when in my heart
    I could never deny my allegiance to Germany.

    Give me some input it would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    Correct me if im wrong but dont they offer dual citizenship status? This declares that you are a citizen of your native born country and of the US. I believe more in the idea. If you respect the US and its laws then you are a citizen in my book. Hell most of our natural born citizens can't even do that much.
     
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    yes they do, but I wonder if this is the right way to go.

    You have to respect yourself in order to make judgements.

    As I see it you need to have alligiance to the country
    that offers you citizenship.

    Fake assholes like the muslims in the Uk that bombed
    London are out there.

    What do you expect as a Us patriot from the "new citizen"

    Is it ok or understandable for you that I still have allegiance to
    Germany while being a Us citizen ?
     
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    If your asking if you had to choose in a war between US and Germany again then that is difficult. In sports i usually say that you root for where you are born. This is quite different though. I believe that in the current landscape being a duel citizen would be ok because you could offer your allegiance to both countries without conflicts. If something arose later on, i guess you'd have to evaluate what kind of conflict would arise.
     
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    What troubles me, I know other immigrants that denigrate
    the US by trashtalking it but plan on becoming citizens

    I dont want to be a hypocrite, becoming a citizen means
    responsibility to me.

    What does it take to be considered a German in my view.

    1) blood your grandparents or parents are German you are
    "one of us " .

    2) you live in Germany speak German and are willing to fight for
    Germany over anything else.

    My moral problem is that I could not fight against Germany without
    feeling as a traitor. The exception would be a communist or fascist
    dictatorial regime taking power in Germany.

    As I said I "feel" 70% German 30% American.

    I try to reflect if it is honorable to pledge alligiance when
    there is the one exception.

    Yes I would never work against the Us for Germany still
    I am not sure it is right to try for citizenship when
    you are not at least 50% American in your heart.

    Its not about the official process. Its more about who I am
    and what I stand for.

    Hope that makes sense.
     
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    I see what your saying. I feel by your actions in responsibilty, you have already become an American citizen. The country needs people like you who show gratitude, loyalty, responsibility and courage. Courage is traveling to a strange new land with the intention of living there. I couldnt imagine traveling to any other country on this earth and intending to live there. MAinly because i dont know what to expect. Thats what all immigrants face and for it i believe they contain a great deal of courage.

    You my friend typify an American. You show courage in the face of tough decisions and measure your options carefully. In my eyes you are a citizen.
     
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    this country was built on the backs of people like you.....and just like them.... you will make the correct decission and when faced with difficult choices you will do the right thing.
     
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    Thank you for you kind words.

    You have to live in a foreign country to understand the problems
    the "good" people have to pledge their allegiance. There are lot
    of turks in Germany, the second Generation has the problem
    that Turkey demands military service for them to keep
    the Turkish passport. They speak German are more liberal
    but still are Turkish to a degree. It took me to live here
    to understand their problem. Before I always thought
    you are either with us or against us, but it is more complicated.

    I guess I am getting ready to officially join the Us.

    Thanks for your response. I guess I will wait for another
    couple of year and when my assumption is right and
    I feel more as an American I ll do the final step.

    In the end, where you live, where your friends live is
    very important. I assume if my family would live
    here it would be easier. With them being in Germany
    it is my duty to fight for them too.
     
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    Thank you for your kind words.
    This board being more then average nationalistic (at least I assume)
    it means alot to me.

    It is a big difference in comparison to Germany. Germany is more hostile
    to foreigners and immigrants and I assume it makes it
    harder for me to take a more liberal view on immigration.
     
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    Nosarcasm, when faced with any serious decision, you must go with your gut. I am sure that deep down, your gut is telling you the answer.

    FWIW, from what I have read in this thread, you would make a fine citizen.
     

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