Darwin and Marx: Materialism

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    1. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real. Therefore, emotions, such as love, are no more than chemistry. And it suggests that it is only genes and environment that determine our actions, and free will plays no role. And, of course, God and religious beliefs are nonsense.
    Prager, “Still The Best Hope.”

    2. From Marx on, the Left has fought against religion for the above reason, and because they understood how difficult it is to get religious people to engage in revolution for the purpose of bettering their material lives. Such folks often relegate the material world to lower priority than the spiritual, moral and intellectual world. Ibid.

    a. “ The theory of evolution is simply materialist philosophy applied to nature, ….Darwin was described by Leon Trotsky as "the highest triumph of the dialectic in the whole field of organic matter."
    Alan Woods, Ted Grant. "Marxism and Darwinism,Reason in Revolt: Marxism and Modern Science.”




    3. While there were theories of evolution before Darwin’s, earlier versions presumed God or a Mind with a design or purpose. Darwin’s view aligned with Marxist economic thesis, in that 'matter,' rather than mind, is the driving force. For Darwin, life is empty of any purpose other than the primary directive of nature, reproduction: the survival of the species.





    4. The crux of the evolutionary controversy, in simplest terms, is: did mind create matter, or did matter create mind? According to a theistic worldview, mind is primary; it is the fundamental creative force in the universe, whether God created the world quickly by fiat, or slowly by an evolutionary process. According to Darwin, it is the reverse: matter is the primary creative force, and mind emerged only very late in evolutionary history.
    Conklin, “When All the Gods Trembled: Darwinism, Scopes, and American Intellectuals,” p. 42.

    5. To be more precise, mind does not exist at all. Only the brain exists. And thoughts are merely the byproducts of neurons firing in the brain, and based on the need for survival.

    a. “Darwin applied a consistent philosophy of materialism to his interpretation of nature. Matter is the ground of all existence; mind, spirit, and God as well, are just words that express the wondrous results of neuronal complexity."
    Stephen Jay Gould, "Ever Since Darwin: Reflections in Natural History," pg. 12–13

    6. Again: by accepting the materialist Darwinian explanation for human beings, one must believe that “mind, spirit, and God” are merely concepts that appear in the in the human mind when the electrical circuitry of the brain has evolved to a certain level of complexity.




    7. Which commands the following question: if those ideas are merely ‘the results of neural complexity,’ then doesn’t the same apply to all ideas…including the idea of materialism itself? And, therefore…if “mind, spirit, and God” are concepts that deserve no credence….why should the ideas of Marx, Darwin, and materialism itself earn any?
    Nancy Pearcey, “Saving Leonardo,” chapter six.
     
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    From Marx's "Communist Manifesto":
    Looks like the Progressive Liberals are doing a good job so far! :D
     
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    I think Obama likes Rawls more than Marx personally
     
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    What a darn good point!

    Rawls wrote that social and economic inequalities are to be arranged so that (Rawls, "A Theory of Justice," 1971, p.303): they are to be of the greatest benefit to the least-advantaged members of society (the difference principle).

    Of course, this means a different distribution of income and wealth than that produced by a free market...i.e., an Obama re-election.

    This is based on a Rawls presumption that this principle is one which most people would choose. Two considerations: first, this would require far more redistributive taxation in order to equalize income and wealth, and, second, it would not maximize total production, income and wealth within the society, and, ultimately, would wind up hurting the poorest.

    Once upon a time I believed that Americans would eschew this collectivist view....

    ...seems that 60 million voters bought it.
     
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    We need to start electing people of the Nozick and Locke persuasion.
     
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    Rawls:

    You'll never find, as long as you live
    Someone who loves you like Obama do
    You'll never find, no matter where you search
    Someone who cares about your vote the way he do

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuVUcQaau_s]LOU RAWLS LIVE - YOU'LL NEVER FIND ANOTHER LOVE LIKE MINE - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    I was brought up as an athetist but I brought my children up as christians. I agree with most of the above quote but I consider the theist viewpoint as the more rewarding way to direct your life, as well as the more natural way.

    it is hard not to question when you see ants working together, or dogs as part of the family who understand emotion but not technology. are humans the top of the ladder? it seems implausible but I have no proof.
     
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    Come on people, you gotta admit, right wingers talking about "materialism" and then trying to put a man into office who said he won't represent half the country because they are too poor, people who shout "let him die" and says "feed the poor and they will breed", is hilarious. Even Fox says the Republican Party is the "party of millionaires".
     
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    LOL. So, in the name of extreme rightwing politics, let's just discard the most robust scientific theory that we have.

    The legions of willfull ignorance are once again in full charge, the hounds of deciet in full bay.
     

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