Culture, not guns. Sweden shows that criminals drive gun crime, not law abiding gun owners.

[candycorn]

Never made such a claim.

However I’ll put the totality of the court’s accuracy going back to 1787 vs the dipshit like yourself on the internet’s accuracy any day.

You're doing it right now you dipshit. You've been repeatedly asked what are the facts of this case that substantiate a murder charge and your only answer is "because the court says so" and "muh racism".

BBBaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

I ignore your question because it doesn’t matter fuck face. Unless you want to go over every detail of everyone in prison for murder. She was tried and convicted. You don’t like it because of who she is and who her victim was.

If you want to say all of those convicted of gun crimes should get sentence X, great. I’m for that. But you can’t pick and choose fuck stain

You responded to my solution to gun crime by bringing up this rarest of rare shootings.....an accidental shooting that only made the public attention because the accidental shooter was an off duty police officer who shot an unarmed man in his own apartment. Her explanation was that she had been exhausted from long hours, got off on the wrong floor of her apartment building, went to the apartment that she thought was hers and the door was unlocked. She went in, found a strange guy in, what she believed was her apartment, and ended up shooting the guy.

You used this to call me a racist...when you couldn't answer the basic question about this shooting if it was actually murder......Why did she murder this guy? All of the elements point to it being a tragic mistake.....since she had no motive to murder the guy.

You use this shooting because my solution to gun crime actually works....but does not include targeting normal gun owners who own guns for self defense, sport and hunting. The verdict in this case was political........this should have been at most a manslaughter charge:

What Is Manslaughter? What Is Murder vs. Manslaughter?

Manslaughter is an unlawful killing that doesn’t involve malice aforethought—intent to seriously harm or kill, or extreme, reckless disregard for life. The absence of malice aforethought means that manslaughter involves less moral blame than either first or second degree murder.

And given the situation, she probably should have even walked on that...

You use this because my solution to gun crime would actually work....but because it doesn't include banning and confiscating guns....you hate it. My idea would actually work, but since you don't actually care about crime... you simply hate guns and gun owners.......you have to find a way to dodge responding to the actual solution...which is why you called me a racist, the lazy left wing dodge.........and then brought up this irrelevant case.....

95% of all gun crime in the U.S. is committed by a tiny number of individuals.....in a country of over 320 million people there were 10,265 gun murders....with over 600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people able to legally carry guns for self defense..........individuals with prior criminal records who have been released from jail and prison, over and over again. They have been released over and over again due to policies of the democrat party.....policies that allow these individuals who should be in custody to go out and use illegal guns to kill more people.

Stop this endless cycle of catch and release and our gun crime rate drops 95%.....

You don't care about stopping the actual gun violence.....you only care that normal people own and carry guns......

You’re the one who wants the convicted murderer Amber Guyger released...so you’re the one who is soft on crime.


No, I called you a racist because in this case, you want the murderer to get off with a light sentence because she is white.

A trained white police officer is “tired” and confused and murders a black dude and you are ready to toss out the verdict. Do you ever give a second thought to all of the other murders? Of course you don’t. Hmmm...wonder why?

Again........you use "racism, racism, racism," to try to hide the fact that you have nothing else.......

When we ask you...."What was her motive for shooting this man...." you have nothing. It could be they were lovers, and he dumped her....maybe he cheated at cards.........that would be motive for 1st degree murder.......but you can't tell us why she did it. The facts are she seems to have had no motive for murdering this guy...unless someone can provide one from the trial......see, you could have done that but you are too fucking lazy to do that....... and that would have shown why she shot him.......

At this point, all we have is that she had no reason to walk upstairs and "with malice aforethought" shoot and kill this guy. So......it seems more than likely her conviction was political, not fact base.....

You moron.....race has nothing to do with it...

You can't respond to my point that gun crime rates have nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns.....that criminals with long records of crime are the ones using illegal guns...and that targeting people who don't commit crime will not lower the crime rate...

Instead...you say..."racism, racism, racism..." which is translated......." I have nothing, I look like a fool.....I have to do something....I know....I'll call him a racist....that ends the conversation and prevents me from having to actually respond with facts and truth...."

You are a moron.

Her motive and all of the shit you’re putting out before she pulled the trigger doesn’t matter. She was convicted.

What makes you a racist piece of shit is that in her case, you’re asking these questions now where you would just accept the verdict if the roles were reversed.


Now lie to us some more and say you wouldn’t

 

[Terence Millar]

If we could only find a way to find and legally confiscate guns that are not legally registered.

There is no reason to register guns.....registration of guns is the precursor to gun bans and confiscation......we know this from history...Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Australia.....first registered guns......to keep people safe....then went on to pass gun bans and confiscations........
You are off your feed.

In Germany....they registered guns in the 1920s and 30s, and when the socialists gained power, they used those registration lists to disarm their political enemies and the groups they planned on murdering.....France and the other countries also registered, banned and confiscated guns at this time.....and when the socialists invaded their countries, no one was armed and able to resist the occupation......and then handed over their citizens the socialists wanted to murder.....

Switzerland, on the other hand.......had 435,000 armed and ready civilians......with military rifles......and because of this, the socialists decided not to invade Switzerland.......the resistance after the invasion being too much to overcome.....

The only reason to register guns is to later ban and confiscate them......that is the only reason.

 

[2aguy]

You're doing it right now you dipshit. You've been repeatedly asked what are the facts of this case that substantiate a murder charge and your only answer is "because the court says so" and "muh racism".

BBBaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

I ignore your question because it doesn’t matter fuck face. Unless you want to go over every detail of everyone in prison for murder. She was tried and convicted. You don’t like it because of who she is and who her victim was.

If you want to say all of those convicted of gun crimes should get sentence X, great. I’m for that. But you can’t pick and choose fuck stain

You responded to my solution to gun crime by bringing up this rarest of rare shootings.....an accidental shooting that only made the public attention because the accidental shooter was an off duty police officer who shot an unarmed man in his own apartment. Her explanation was that she had been exhausted from long hours, got off on the wrong floor of her apartment building, went to the apartment that she thought was hers and the door was unlocked. She went in, found a strange guy in, what she believed was her apartment, and ended up shooting the guy.

You used this to call me a racist...when you couldn't answer the basic question about this shooting if it was actually murder......Why did she murder this guy? All of the elements point to it being a tragic mistake.....since she had no motive to murder the guy.

You use this shooting because my solution to gun crime actually works....but does not include targeting normal gun owners who own guns for self defense, sport and hunting. The verdict in this case was political........this should have been at most a manslaughter charge:

What Is Manslaughter? What Is Murder vs. Manslaughter?

Manslaughter is an unlawful killing that doesn’t involve malice aforethought—intent to seriously harm or kill, or extreme, reckless disregard for life. The absence of malice aforethought means that manslaughter involves less moral blame than either first or second degree murder.

And given the situation, she probably should have even walked on that...

You use this because my solution to gun crime would actually work....but because it doesn't include banning and confiscating guns....you hate it. My idea would actually work, but since you don't actually care about crime... you simply hate guns and gun owners.......you have to find a way to dodge responding to the actual solution...which is why you called me a racist, the lazy left wing dodge.........and then brought up this irrelevant case.....

95% of all gun crime in the U.S. is committed by a tiny number of individuals.....in a country of over 320 million people there were 10,265 gun murders....with over 600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people able to legally carry guns for self defense..........individuals with prior criminal records who have been released from jail and prison, over and over again. They have been released over and over again due to policies of the democrat party.....policies that allow these individuals who should be in custody to go out and use illegal guns to kill more people.

Stop this endless cycle of catch and release and our gun crime rate drops 95%.....

You don't care about stopping the actual gun violence.....you only care that normal people own and carry guns......

You’re the one who wants the convicted murderer Amber Guyger released...so you’re the one who is soft on crime.


No, I called you a racist because in this case, you want the murderer to get off with a light sentence because she is white.

A trained white police officer is “tired” and confused and murders a black dude and you are ready to toss out the verdict. Do you ever give a second thought to all of the other murders? Of course you don’t. Hmmm...wonder why?

Again........you use "racism, racism, racism," to try to hide the fact that you have nothing else.......

When we ask you...."What was her motive for shooting this man...." you have nothing. It could be they were lovers, and he dumped her....maybe he cheated at cards.........that would be motive for 1st degree murder.......but you can't tell us why she did it. The facts are she seems to have had no motive for murdering this guy...unless someone can provide one from the trial......see, you could have done that but you are too fucking lazy to do that....... and that would have shown why she shot him.......

At this point, all we have is that she had no reason to walk upstairs and "with malice aforethought" shoot and kill this guy. So......it seems more than likely her conviction was political, not fact base.....

You moron.....race has nothing to do with it...

You can't respond to my point that gun crime rates have nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns.....that criminals with long records of crime are the ones using illegal guns...and that targeting people who don't commit crime will not lower the crime rate...

Instead...you say..."racism, racism, racism..." which is translated......." I have nothing, I look like a fool.....I have to do something....I know....I'll call him a racist....that ends the conversation and prevents me from having to actually respond with facts and truth...."

You are a moron.

Her motive and all of the shit you’re putting out before she pulled the trigger doesn’t matter. She was convicted.

What makes you a racist piece of shit is that in her case, you’re asking these questions now where you would just accept the verdict if the roles were reversed.


Now lie to us some more and say you wouldn’t

So....then, you agree that the killers who murdered Emmet Till were innocent because the verdict was innocent...........good to know.....

And this is why you are a moron........

You have again failed to address this thread, my points on actually stopping gun crime....and fallen back, as a lazy left wing doofus....to "racism, racism, racism."

You are a loser and a doofus.

 

[candycorn]

I ignore your question because it doesn’t matter fuck face. Unless you want to go over every detail of everyone in prison for murder. She was tried and convicted. You don’t like it because of who she is and who her victim was.

If you want to say all of those convicted of gun crimes should get sentence X, great. I’m for that. But you can’t pick and choose fuck stain

You responded to my solution to gun crime by bringing up this rarest of rare shootings.....an accidental shooting that only made the public attention because the accidental shooter was an off duty police officer who shot an unarmed man in his own apartment. Her explanation was that she had been exhausted from long hours, got off on the wrong floor of her apartment building, went to the apartment that she thought was hers and the door was unlocked. She went in, found a strange guy in, what she believed was her apartment, and ended up shooting the guy.

You used this to call me a racist...when you couldn't answer the basic question about this shooting if it was actually murder......Why did she murder this guy? All of the elements point to it being a tragic mistake.....since she had no motive to murder the guy.

You use this shooting because my solution to gun crime actually works....but does not include targeting normal gun owners who own guns for self defense, sport and hunting. The verdict in this case was political........this should have been at most a manslaughter charge:

What Is Manslaughter? What Is Murder vs. Manslaughter?

Manslaughter is an unlawful killing that doesn’t involve malice aforethought—intent to seriously harm or kill, or extreme, reckless disregard for life. The absence of malice aforethought means that manslaughter involves less moral blame than either first or second degree murder.

And given the situation, she probably should have even walked on that...

You use this because my solution to gun crime would actually work....but because it doesn't include banning and confiscating guns....you hate it. My idea would actually work, but since you don't actually care about crime... you simply hate guns and gun owners.......you have to find a way to dodge responding to the actual solution...which is why you called me a racist, the lazy left wing dodge.........and then brought up this irrelevant case.....

95% of all gun crime in the U.S. is committed by a tiny number of individuals.....in a country of over 320 million people there were 10,265 gun murders....with over 600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people able to legally carry guns for self defense..........individuals with prior criminal records who have been released from jail and prison, over and over again. They have been released over and over again due to policies of the democrat party.....policies that allow these individuals who should be in custody to go out and use illegal guns to kill more people.

Stop this endless cycle of catch and release and our gun crime rate drops 95%.....

You don't care about stopping the actual gun violence.....you only care that normal people own and carry guns......

You’re the one who wants the convicted murderer Amber Guyger released...so you’re the one who is soft on crime.


No, I called you a racist because in this case, you want the murderer to get off with a light sentence because she is white.

A trained white police officer is “tired” and confused and murders a black dude and you are ready to toss out the verdict. Do you ever give a second thought to all of the other murders? Of course you don’t. Hmmm...wonder why?

Again........you use "racism, racism, racism," to try to hide the fact that you have nothing else.......

When we ask you...."What was her motive for shooting this man...." you have nothing. It could be they were lovers, and he dumped her....maybe he cheated at cards.........that would be motive for 1st degree murder.......but you can't tell us why she did it. The facts are she seems to have had no motive for murdering this guy...unless someone can provide one from the trial......see, you could have done that but you are too fucking lazy to do that....... and that would have shown why she shot him.......

At this point, all we have is that she had no reason to walk upstairs and "with malice aforethought" shoot and kill this guy. So......it seems more than likely her conviction was political, not fact base.....

You moron.....race has nothing to do with it...

You can't respond to my point that gun crime rates have nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns.....that criminals with long records of crime are the ones using illegal guns...and that targeting people who don't commit crime will not lower the crime rate...

Instead...you say..."racism, racism, racism..." which is translated......." I have nothing, I look like a fool.....I have to do something....I know....I'll call him a racist....that ends the conversation and prevents me from having to actually respond with facts and truth...."

You are a moron.

Her motive and all of the shit you’re putting out before she pulled the trigger doesn’t matter. She was convicted.

What makes you a racist piece of shit is that in her case, you’re asking these questions now where you would just accept the verdict if the roles were reversed.


Now lie to us some more and say you wouldn’t

So....then, you agree that the killers who murdered Emmet Till were innocent because the verdict was innocent...........good to know.....

And this is why you are a moron........

You have again failed to address this thread, my points on actually stopping gun crime....and fallen back, as a lazy left wing doofus....to "racism, racism, racism."

You are a loser and a doofus.

No shitbrains, I agree that convicted murderers should go away for life regardless of their race. You seem to have a problem with tough prison sentences.

 

[2aguy]

If we could only find a way to find and legally confiscate guns that are not legally registered.

There is no reason to register guns.....registration of guns is the precursor to gun bans and confiscation......we know this from history...Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Australia.....first registered guns......to keep people safe....then went on to pass gun bans and confiscations........
You are off your feed.

In Germany....they registered guns in the 1920s and 30s, and when the socialists gained power, they used those registration lists to disarm their political enemies and the groups they planned on murdering.....France and the other countries also registered, banned and confiscated guns at this time.....and when the socialists invaded their countries, no one was armed and able to resist the occupation......and then handed over their citizens the socialists wanted to murder.....

Switzerland, on the other hand.......had 435,000 armed and ready civilians......with military rifles......and because of this, the socialists decided not to invade Switzerland.......the resistance after the invasion being too much to overcome.....

The only reason to register guns is to later ban and confiscate them......that is the only reason.

Your response didn't show up....

Here is another point on gun registration.....did you know that felons do not have to register their illegal guns, and can't be prosecuted for not registering their illegal guns? The Supreme Court ruled in Haynes v United States that felons can't be forced to incriminate themselves by registration of their illegal gun....

The Fifth Amendment, Self-Incrimination, and Gun Registration

The Fifth Amendment, Self-Incrimination, and Gun Registration



by Clayton Cramer


A recurring question that we are asked, not only by gun control advocates, but even by a number of gun owners is, "What's wrong with mandatory gun registration?" Usually by the time we finish telling them about the Supreme Court decision U.S. v. Haynes (1968), they are laughing -- and they understand our objection to registration.

In Haynes v. U.S. (1968), a Miles Edward Haynes appealed his conviction for unlawful possession of an unregistered short-barreled shotgun. [1] His argument was ingenious: since he was a convicted felon at the time he was arrested on the shotgun charge, he could not legally possess a firearm. Haynes further argued that for a convicted felon to register a gun, especially a short-barreled shotgun, was effectively an announcement to the government that he was breaking the law. If he did register it, as 26 U.S.C. sec.5841 required, he was incriminating himself; but if he did not register it, the government would punish him for possessing an unregistered firearm -- a violation of 26 U.S.C. sec.5851.

Consequently, his Fifth Amendment protection against self- incrimination ("No person... shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself") was being violated -- he would be punished if he registered it, and punished if he did not register it. While the Court acknowledged that there were circumstances where a person might register such a weapon without having violated the prohibition on illegal possession or transfer, both the prosecution and the Court acknowledged such circumstances were "uncommon." [2]

The Court concluded:

• 
  We hold that a proper claim of the constitutional privilege against self-incrimination provides a full defense to prosecutions either for failure to register a firearm under sec.5841 or for possession of an unregistered firearm under sec.5851. [3]
  
  • 
    

This 8-1 decision (with only Chief Justice Earl Warren dissenting) is, depending on your view of Fifth Amendment, either a courageous application of the intent of the self-incrimination clause, or evidence that the Supreme Court had engaged in reductio ad absurdum of the Fifth Amendment. Under this ruling, a person illegally possessing a firearm, under either federal or state law, could not be punished for failing to register it. [4]

Consider a law that requires registration of firearms: a convicted felon can not be convicted for failing to register a gun, because it is illegal under Federal law for a felon to possess a firearm; but a person who can legally own a gun, and fails to register it, can be punished. In short, the person at whom, one presumes, such a registration law is aimed, is the one who cannot be punished, and yet, the person at whom such a registration law is not principally aimed (i.e., the law-abiding person), can be punished.

This is especially absurd for the statute under which Haynes was tried -- the National Firearms Act of 1934. This law was originally passed during the Depression, when heavily armed desperadoes roamed the nation, robbing banks and engaging in kidnap for ransom. The original intent of the National Firearms Act was to provide a method for locking up ex-cons that the government was unable to convict for breaking any other law. As Attorney General Homer Cummings described the purpose of the law, when testifying before Congress:

• 
  Now, you say that it is easy for criminals to get weapons. I know it, but I want to make it easy to convict them when they have the weapons. That is the point of it. I do not expect criminals to comply with this law; I do not expect the underworld to be going around giving their fingerprints and getting permits to carry these weapons, but I want them to be in a position, when I find such a person, to convict him because he has not complied.

During the same questioning, Cummings expressed his belief that, "I have no fear of the law-abiding citizen getting into trouble." Rep. Fred Vinson of Kentucky, while agreeing with Cummings' desire to have an additional tool for locking up gangsters, pointed out that many laws that sounded like good ideas when passed, were sometimes found "in the coolness and calmness of retrospect" to be somewhat different in their consequences. [5]

 

[2aguy]

You responded to my solution to gun crime by bringing up this rarest of rare shootings.....an accidental shooting that only made the public attention because the accidental shooter was an off duty police officer who shot an unarmed man in his own apartment. Her explanation was that she had been exhausted from long hours, got off on the wrong floor of her apartment building, went to the apartment that she thought was hers and the door was unlocked. She went in, found a strange guy in, what she believed was her apartment, and ended up shooting the guy.

You used this to call me a racist...when you couldn't answer the basic question about this shooting if it was actually murder......Why did she murder this guy? All of the elements point to it being a tragic mistake.....since she had no motive to murder the guy.

You use this shooting because my solution to gun crime actually works....but does not include targeting normal gun owners who own guns for self defense, sport and hunting. The verdict in this case was political........this should have been at most a manslaughter charge:

What Is Manslaughter? What Is Murder vs. Manslaughter?

Manslaughter is an unlawful killing that doesn’t involve malice aforethought—intent to seriously harm or kill, or extreme, reckless disregard for life. The absence of malice aforethought means that manslaughter involves less moral blame than either first or second degree murder.

And given the situation, she probably should have even walked on that...

You use this because my solution to gun crime would actually work....but because it doesn't include banning and confiscating guns....you hate it. My idea would actually work, but since you don't actually care about crime... you simply hate guns and gun owners.......you have to find a way to dodge responding to the actual solution...which is why you called me a racist, the lazy left wing dodge.........and then brought up this irrelevant case.....

95% of all gun crime in the U.S. is committed by a tiny number of individuals.....in a country of over 320 million people there were 10,265 gun murders....with over 600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people able to legally carry guns for self defense..........individuals with prior criminal records who have been released from jail and prison, over and over again. They have been released over and over again due to policies of the democrat party.....policies that allow these individuals who should be in custody to go out and use illegal guns to kill more people.

Stop this endless cycle of catch and release and our gun crime rate drops 95%.....

You don't care about stopping the actual gun violence.....you only care that normal people own and carry guns......

You’re the one who wants the convicted murderer Amber Guyger released...so you’re the one who is soft on crime.


No, I called you a racist because in this case, you want the murderer to get off with a light sentence because she is white.

A trained white police officer is “tired” and confused and murders a black dude and you are ready to toss out the verdict. Do you ever give a second thought to all of the other murders? Of course you don’t. Hmmm...wonder why?

Again........you use "racism, racism, racism," to try to hide the fact that you have nothing else.......

When we ask you...."What was her motive for shooting this man...." you have nothing. It could be they were lovers, and he dumped her....maybe he cheated at cards.........that would be motive for 1st degree murder.......but you can't tell us why she did it. The facts are she seems to have had no motive for murdering this guy...unless someone can provide one from the trial......see, you could have done that but you are too fucking lazy to do that....... and that would have shown why she shot him.......

At this point, all we have is that she had no reason to walk upstairs and "with malice aforethought" shoot and kill this guy. So......it seems more than likely her conviction was political, not fact base.....

You moron.....race has nothing to do with it...

You can't respond to my point that gun crime rates have nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns.....that criminals with long records of crime are the ones using illegal guns...and that targeting people who don't commit crime will not lower the crime rate...

Instead...you say..."racism, racism, racism..." which is translated......." I have nothing, I look like a fool.....I have to do something....I know....I'll call him a racist....that ends the conversation and prevents me from having to actually respond with facts and truth...."

You are a moron.

Her motive and all of the shit you’re putting out before she pulled the trigger doesn’t matter. She was convicted.

What makes you a racist piece of shit is that in her case, you’re asking these questions now where you would just accept the verdict if the roles were reversed.


Now lie to us some more and say you wouldn’t

So....then, you agree that the killers who murdered Emmet Till were innocent because the verdict was innocent...........good to know.....

And this is why you are a moron........

You have again failed to address this thread, my points on actually stopping gun crime....and fallen back, as a lazy left wing doofus....to "racism, racism, racism."

You are a loser and a doofus.

No shitbrains, I agree that convicted murderers should go away for life regardless of their race. You seem to have a problem with tough prison sentences.

You use an extreme case...cause you can't use facts, truth or reality......and you yell, "racism, racism, racim," cause you got nothing else.....


Again....

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

 

[2aguy]

You responded to my solution to gun crime by bringing up this rarest of rare shootings.....an accidental shooting that only made the public attention because the accidental shooter was an off duty police officer who shot an unarmed man in his own apartment. Her explanation was that she had been exhausted from long hours, got off on the wrong floor of her apartment building, went to the apartment that she thought was hers and the door was unlocked. She went in, found a strange guy in, what she believed was her apartment, and ended up shooting the guy.

You used this to call me a racist...when you couldn't answer the basic question about this shooting if it was actually murder......Why did she murder this guy? All of the elements point to it being a tragic mistake.....since she had no motive to murder the guy.

You use this shooting because my solution to gun crime actually works....but does not include targeting normal gun owners who own guns for self defense, sport and hunting. The verdict in this case was political........this should have been at most a manslaughter charge:

What Is Manslaughter? What Is Murder vs. Manslaughter?

Manslaughter is an unlawful killing that doesn’t involve malice aforethought—intent to seriously harm or kill, or extreme, reckless disregard for life. The absence of malice aforethought means that manslaughter involves less moral blame than either first or second degree murder.

And given the situation, she probably should have even walked on that...

You use this because my solution to gun crime would actually work....but because it doesn't include banning and confiscating guns....you hate it. My idea would actually work, but since you don't actually care about crime... you simply hate guns and gun owners.......you have to find a way to dodge responding to the actual solution...which is why you called me a racist, the lazy left wing dodge.........and then brought up this irrelevant case.....

95% of all gun crime in the U.S. is committed by a tiny number of individuals.....in a country of over 320 million people there were 10,265 gun murders....with over 600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people able to legally carry guns for self defense..........individuals with prior criminal records who have been released from jail and prison, over and over again. They have been released over and over again due to policies of the democrat party.....policies that allow these individuals who should be in custody to go out and use illegal guns to kill more people.

Stop this endless cycle of catch and release and our gun crime rate drops 95%.....

You don't care about stopping the actual gun violence.....you only care that normal people own and carry guns......

You’re the one who wants the convicted murderer Amber Guyger released...so you’re the one who is soft on crime.


No, I called you a racist because in this case, you want the murderer to get off with a light sentence because she is white.

A trained white police officer is “tired” and confused and murders a black dude and you are ready to toss out the verdict. Do you ever give a second thought to all of the other murders? Of course you don’t. Hmmm...wonder why?

Again........you use "racism, racism, racism," to try to hide the fact that you have nothing else.......

When we ask you...."What was her motive for shooting this man...." you have nothing. It could be they were lovers, and he dumped her....maybe he cheated at cards.........that would be motive for 1st degree murder.......but you can't tell us why she did it. The facts are she seems to have had no motive for murdering this guy...unless someone can provide one from the trial......see, you could have done that but you are too fucking lazy to do that....... and that would have shown why she shot him.......

At this point, all we have is that she had no reason to walk upstairs and "with malice aforethought" shoot and kill this guy. So......it seems more than likely her conviction was political, not fact base.....

You moron.....race has nothing to do with it...

You can't respond to my point that gun crime rates have nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns.....that criminals with long records of crime are the ones using illegal guns...and that targeting people who don't commit crime will not lower the crime rate...

Instead...you say..."racism, racism, racism..." which is translated......." I have nothing, I look like a fool.....I have to do something....I know....I'll call him a racist....that ends the conversation and prevents me from having to actually respond with facts and truth...."

You are a moron.

Her motive and all of the shit you’re putting out before she pulled the trigger doesn’t matter. She was convicted.

What makes you a racist piece of shit is that in her case, you’re asking these questions now where you would just accept the verdict if the roles were reversed.


Now lie to us some more and say you wouldn’t

So....then, you agree that the killers who murdered Emmet Till were innocent because the verdict was innocent...........good to know.....

And this is why you are a moron........

You have again failed to address this thread, my points on actually stopping gun crime....and fallen back, as a lazy left wing doofus....to "racism, racism, racism."

You are a loser and a doofus.

No shitbrains, I agree that convicted murderers should go away for life regardless of their race. You seem to have a problem with tough prison sentences.

And again.....you have not stated the motive behind her killing the guy. You have been caught in a lazy response....and to protect your foolishness...."racism, racism, racism....."


Another lazy response.

 

[candycorn]

You’re the one who wants the convicted murderer Amber Guyger released...so you’re the one who is soft on crime.


No, I called you a racist because in this case, you want the murderer to get off with a light sentence because she is white.

A trained white police officer is “tired” and confused and murders a black dude and you are ready to toss out the verdict. Do you ever give a second thought to all of the other murders? Of course you don’t. Hmmm...wonder why?

Again........you use "racism, racism, racism," to try to hide the fact that you have nothing else.......

When we ask you...."What was her motive for shooting this man...." you have nothing. It could be they were lovers, and he dumped her....maybe he cheated at cards.........that would be motive for 1st degree murder.......but you can't tell us why she did it. The facts are she seems to have had no motive for murdering this guy...unless someone can provide one from the trial......see, you could have done that but you are too fucking lazy to do that....... and that would have shown why she shot him.......

At this point, all we have is that she had no reason to walk upstairs and "with malice aforethought" shoot and kill this guy. So......it seems more than likely her conviction was political, not fact base.....

You moron.....race has nothing to do with it...

You can't respond to my point that gun crime rates have nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns.....that criminals with long records of crime are the ones using illegal guns...and that targeting people who don't commit crime will not lower the crime rate...

Instead...you say..."racism, racism, racism..." which is translated......." I have nothing, I look like a fool.....I have to do something....I know....I'll call him a racist....that ends the conversation and prevents me from having to actually respond with facts and truth...."

You are a moron.

Her motive and all of the shit you’re putting out before she pulled the trigger doesn’t matter. She was convicted.

What makes you a racist piece of shit is that in her case, you’re asking these questions now where you would just accept the verdict if the roles were reversed.


Now lie to us some more and say you wouldn’t

So....then, you agree that the killers who murdered Emmet Till were innocent because the verdict was innocent...........good to know.....

And this is why you are a moron........

You have again failed to address this thread, my points on actually stopping gun crime....and fallen back, as a lazy left wing doofus....to "racism, racism, racism."

You are a loser and a doofus.

No shitbrains, I agree that convicted murderers should go away for life regardless of their race. You seem to have a problem with tough prison sentences.

You use an extreme case...cause you can't use facts, truth or reality......and you yell, "racism, racism, racim," cause you got nothing else.....


Again....

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

I checked.

She really was convicted of murder.

You say that murderers should have stiff sentences...except apparently if they were white and their victim was black.

That is reality

 

[2aguy]

Again........you use "racism, racism, racism," to try to hide the fact that you have nothing else.......

When we ask you...."What was her motive for shooting this man...." you have nothing. It could be they were lovers, and he dumped her....maybe he cheated at cards.........that would be motive for 1st degree murder.......but you can't tell us why she did it. The facts are she seems to have had no motive for murdering this guy...unless someone can provide one from the trial......see, you could have done that but you are too fucking lazy to do that....... and that would have shown why she shot him.......

At this point, all we have is that she had no reason to walk upstairs and "with malice aforethought" shoot and kill this guy. So......it seems more than likely her conviction was political, not fact base.....

You moron.....race has nothing to do with it...

You can't respond to my point that gun crime rates have nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns.....that criminals with long records of crime are the ones using illegal guns...and that targeting people who don't commit crime will not lower the crime rate...

Instead...you say..."racism, racism, racism..." which is translated......." I have nothing, I look like a fool.....I have to do something....I know....I'll call him a racist....that ends the conversation and prevents me from having to actually respond with facts and truth...."

You are a moron.

Her motive and all of the shit you’re putting out before she pulled the trigger doesn’t matter. She was convicted.

What makes you a racist piece of shit is that in her case, you’re asking these questions now where you would just accept the verdict if the roles were reversed.


Now lie to us some more and say you wouldn’t

So....then, you agree that the killers who murdered Emmet Till were innocent because the verdict was innocent...........good to know.....

And this is why you are a moron........

You have again failed to address this thread, my points on actually stopping gun crime....and fallen back, as a lazy left wing doofus....to "racism, racism, racism."

You are a loser and a doofus.

No shitbrains, I agree that convicted murderers should go away for life regardless of their race. You seem to have a problem with tough prison sentences.

You use an extreme case...cause you can't use facts, truth or reality......and you yell, "racism, racism, racim," cause you got nothing else.....


Again....

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

I checked.

She really was convicted of murder.

You say that murderers should have stiff sentences...except apparently if they were white and their victim was black.

That is reality

No...that wasn't what you were asked....you dodging asshat......you were specifically asked what motive was presented by the prosecution for why she killed that guy........nice try....but you failed....

And again, you resorted to "racism, racism, racism," in your post.......instead of answering the question.....

Let me give you a little help....go to the freaking trial and see what they actually said....you moron.

 

[candycorn]

Her motive and all of the shit you’re putting out before she pulled the trigger doesn’t matter. She was convicted.

What makes you a racist piece of shit is that in her case, you’re asking these questions now where you would just accept the verdict if the roles were reversed.


Now lie to us some more and say you wouldn’t

So....then, you agree that the killers who murdered Emmet Till were innocent because the verdict was innocent...........good to know.....

And this is why you are a moron........

You have again failed to address this thread, my points on actually stopping gun crime....and fallen back, as a lazy left wing doofus....to "racism, racism, racism."

You are a loser and a doofus.

No shitbrains, I agree that convicted murderers should go away for life regardless of their race. You seem to have a problem with tough prison sentences.

You use an extreme case...cause you can't use facts, truth or reality......and you yell, "racism, racism, racim," cause you got nothing else.....


Again....

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

I checked.

She really was convicted of murder.

You say that murderers should have stiff sentences...except apparently if they were white and their victim was black.

That is reality

No...that wasn't what you were asked....you dodging asshat......you were specifically asked what motive was presented by the prosecution for why she killed that guy........nice try....but you failed....

And again, you resorted to "racism, racism, racism," in your post.......instead of answering the question.....

Let me give you a little help....go to the freaking trial and see what they actually said....you moron.

Again, she’s a convicted murderer. Arguing case details at this point is stupid. I’m not surprised you’re hanging your hat on it. It’s a pointless waste of time: much like yourself.

 

[2aguy]

So....then, you agree that the killers who murdered Emmet Till were innocent because the verdict was innocent...........good to know.....

And this is why you are a moron........

You have again failed to address this thread, my points on actually stopping gun crime....and fallen back, as a lazy left wing doofus....to "racism, racism, racism."

You are a loser and a doofus.

No shitbrains, I agree that convicted murderers should go away for life regardless of their race. You seem to have a problem with tough prison sentences.

You use an extreme case...cause you can't use facts, truth or reality......and you yell, "racism, racism, racim," cause you got nothing else.....


Again....

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

I checked.

She really was convicted of murder.

You say that murderers should have stiff sentences...except apparently if they were white and their victim was black.

That is reality

No...that wasn't what you were asked....you dodging asshat......you were specifically asked what motive was presented by the prosecution for why she killed that guy........nice try....but you failed....

And again, you resorted to "racism, racism, racism," in your post.......instead of answering the question.....

Let me give you a little help....go to the freaking trial and see what they actually said....you moron.

Again, she’s a convicted murderer. Arguing case details at this point is stupid. I’m not surprised you’re hanging your hat on it. It’s a pointless waste of time: much like yourself.

So are many people who are later found to be innocent.....

You still aren't answering the question....what was her motive for shooting the guy?

Simple question and since she was convicted it should be easy to state.

This was a political conviction, and you keep showing that it was by your inability to state the most basic part of any criminal prosecution that has any relation to truth and justice.

 

[candycorn]

No shitbrains, I agree that convicted murderers should go away for life regardless of their race. You seem to have a problem with tough prison sentences.

You use an extreme case...cause you can't use facts, truth or reality......and you yell, "racism, racism, racim," cause you got nothing else.....


Again....

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

I checked.

She really was convicted of murder.

You say that murderers should have stiff sentences...except apparently if they were white and their victim was black.

That is reality

No...that wasn't what you were asked....you dodging asshat......you were specifically asked what motive was presented by the prosecution for why she killed that guy........nice try....but you failed....

And again, you resorted to "racism, racism, racism," in your post.......instead of answering the question.....

Let me give you a little help....go to the freaking trial and see what they actually said....you moron.

Again, she’s a convicted murderer. Arguing case details at this point is stupid. I’m not surprised you’re hanging your hat on it. It’s a pointless waste of time: much like yourself.

So are many people who are later found to be innocent.....

You still aren't answering the question....what was her motive for shooting the guy?

Simple question and since she was convicted it should be easy to state.

This was a political conviction, and you keep showing that it was by your inability to state the most basic part of any criminal prosecution that has any relation to truth and justice.

No fuckface, it was a murder conviction. If it gets overturned....wonderful. Until then it’s a murder conviction. You can’t throw it out on the basis of her being white. Sorry.

 

[2aguy]

You use an extreme case...cause you can't use facts, truth or reality......and you yell, "racism, racism, racim," cause you got nothing else.....


Again....

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

I checked.

She really was convicted of murder.

You say that murderers should have stiff sentences...except apparently if they were white and their victim was black.

That is reality

No...that wasn't what you were asked....you dodging asshat......you were specifically asked what motive was presented by the prosecution for why she killed that guy........nice try....but you failed....

And again, you resorted to "racism, racism, racism," in your post.......instead of answering the question.....

Let me give you a little help....go to the freaking trial and see what they actually said....you moron.

Again, she’s a convicted murderer. Arguing case details at this point is stupid. I’m not surprised you’re hanging your hat on it. It’s a pointless waste of time: much like yourself.

So are many people who are later found to be innocent.....

You still aren't answering the question....what was her motive for shooting the guy?

Simple question and since she was convicted it should be easy to state.

This was a political conviction, and you keep showing that it was by your inability to state the most basic part of any criminal prosecution that has any relation to truth and justice.

No fuckface, it was a murder conviction. If it gets overturned....wonderful. Until then it’s a murder conviction. You can’t throw it out on the basis of her being white. Sorry.

"racism, racism, racism....."

Now...again...what was her motive? You know, one of the most important parts of a murder conviction....

 

[candycorn]

I checked.

She really was convicted of murder.

You say that murderers should have stiff sentences...except apparently if they were white and their victim was black.

That is reality

No...that wasn't what you were asked....you dodging asshat......you were specifically asked what motive was presented by the prosecution for why she killed that guy........nice try....but you failed....

And again, you resorted to "racism, racism, racism," in your post.......instead of answering the question.....

Let me give you a little help....go to the freaking trial and see what they actually said....you moron.

Again, she’s a convicted murderer. Arguing case details at this point is stupid. I’m not surprised you’re hanging your hat on it. It’s a pointless waste of time: much like yourself.

So are many people who are later found to be innocent.....

You still aren't answering the question....what was her motive for shooting the guy?

Simple question and since she was convicted it should be easy to state.

This was a political conviction, and you keep showing that it was by your inability to state the most basic part of any criminal prosecution that has any relation to truth and justice.

No fuckface, it was a murder conviction. If it gets overturned....wonderful. Until then it’s a murder conviction. You can’t throw it out on the basis of her being white. Sorry.

"racism, racism, racism....."

Now...again...what was her motive? You know, one of the most important parts of a murder conviction....

The trial is over. One needn’t rehash the case once the verdict is rendered.

 

[2aguy]

No...that wasn't what you were asked....you dodging asshat......you were specifically asked what motive was presented by the prosecution for why she killed that guy........nice try....but you failed....

And again, you resorted to "racism, racism, racism," in your post.......instead of answering the question.....

Let me give you a little help....go to the freaking trial and see what they actually said....you moron.

Again, she’s a convicted murderer. Arguing case details at this point is stupid. I’m not surprised you’re hanging your hat on it. It’s a pointless waste of time: much like yourself.

So are many people who are later found to be innocent.....

You still aren't answering the question....what was her motive for shooting the guy?

Simple question and since she was convicted it should be easy to state.

This was a political conviction, and you keep showing that it was by your inability to state the most basic part of any criminal prosecution that has any relation to truth and justice.

No fuckface, it was a murder conviction. If it gets overturned....wonderful. Until then it’s a murder conviction. You can’t throw it out on the basis of her being white. Sorry.

"racism, racism, racism....."

Now...again...what was her motive? You know, one of the most important parts of a murder conviction....

The trial is over. One needn’t rehash the case once the verdict is rendered.

Allow me to translate....

"I have nothing to respond with cause I know you are right.....calling you racist isn't working cause you keep asking for the motive, so I will just ignore this threa...."

 

[candycorn]

Again, she’s a convicted murderer. Arguing case details at this point is stupid. I’m not surprised you’re hanging your hat on it. It’s a pointless waste of time: much like yourself.

So are many people who are later found to be innocent.....

You still aren't answering the question....what was her motive for shooting the guy?

Simple question and since she was convicted it should be easy to state.

This was a political conviction, and you keep showing that it was by your inability to state the most basic part of any criminal prosecution that has any relation to truth and justice.

No fuckface, it was a murder conviction. If it gets overturned....wonderful. Until then it’s a murder conviction. You can’t throw it out on the basis of her being white. Sorry.

"racism, racism, racism....."

Now...again...what was her motive? You know, one of the most important parts of a murder conviction....

The trial is over. One needn’t rehash the case once the verdict is rendered.

Allow me to translate....

"I have nothing to respond with cause I know you are right.....calling you racist isn't working cause you keep asking for the motive, so I will just ignore this threa...."

Never said any of that drivel.

 

[satrebil]

You're doing it right now you dipshit. You've been repeatedly asked what are the facts of this case that substantiate a murder charge and your only answer is "because the court says so" and "muh racism".

BBBaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

I ignore your question because it doesn’t matter fuck face. Unless you want to go over every detail of everyone in prison for murder. She was tried and convicted. You don’t like it because of who she is and who her victim was.

If you want to say all of those convicted of gun crimes should get sentence X, great. I’m for that. But you can’t pick and choose fuck stain

You responded to my solution to gun crime by bringing up this rarest of rare shootings.....an accidental shooting that only made the public attention because the accidental shooter was an off duty police officer who shot an unarmed man in his own apartment. Her explanation was that she had been exhausted from long hours, got off on the wrong floor of her apartment building, went to the apartment that she thought was hers and the door was unlocked. She went in, found a strange guy in, what she believed was her apartment, and ended up shooting the guy.

You used this to call me a racist...when you couldn't answer the basic question about this shooting if it was actually murder......Why did she murder this guy? All of the elements point to it being a tragic mistake.....since she had no motive to murder the guy.

You use this shooting because my solution to gun crime actually works....but does not include targeting normal gun owners who own guns for self defense, sport and hunting. The verdict in this case was political........this should have been at most a manslaughter charge:

What Is Manslaughter? What Is Murder vs. Manslaughter?

Manslaughter is an unlawful killing that doesn’t involve malice aforethought—intent to seriously harm or kill, or extreme, reckless disregard for life. The absence of malice aforethought means that manslaughter involves less moral blame than either first or second degree murder.

And given the situation, she probably should have even walked on that...

You use this because my solution to gun crime would actually work....but because it doesn't include banning and confiscating guns....you hate it. My idea would actually work, but since you don't actually care about crime... you simply hate guns and gun owners.......you have to find a way to dodge responding to the actual solution...which is why you called me a racist, the lazy left wing dodge.........and then brought up this irrelevant case.....

95% of all gun crime in the U.S. is committed by a tiny number of individuals.....in a country of over 320 million people there were 10,265 gun murders....with over 600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people able to legally carry guns for self defense..........individuals with prior criminal records who have been released from jail and prison, over and over again. They have been released over and over again due to policies of the democrat party.....policies that allow these individuals who should be in custody to go out and use illegal guns to kill more people.

Stop this endless cycle of catch and release and our gun crime rate drops 95%.....

You don't care about stopping the actual gun violence.....you only care that normal people own and carry guns......

You’re the one who wants the convicted murderer Amber Guyger released...so you’re the one who is soft on crime.


No, I called you a racist because in this case, you want the murderer to get off with a light sentence because she is white.

A trained white police officer is “tired” and confused and murders a black dude and you are ready to toss out the verdict. Do you ever give a second thought to all of the other murders? Of course you don’t. Hmmm...wonder why?

Again........you use "racism, racism, racism," to try to hide the fact that you have nothing else.......

When we ask you...."What was her motive for shooting this man...." you have nothing. It could be they were lovers, and he dumped her....maybe he cheated at cards.........that would be motive for 1st degree murder.......but you can't tell us why she did it. The facts are she seems to have had no motive for murdering this guy...unless someone can provide one from the trial......see, you could have done that but you are too fucking lazy to do that....... and that would have shown why she shot him.......

At this point, all we have is that she had no reason to walk upstairs and "with malice aforethought" shoot and kill this guy. So......it seems more than likely her conviction was political, not fact base.....

You moron.....race has nothing to do with it...

You can't respond to my point that gun crime rates have nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns.....that criminals with long records of crime are the ones using illegal guns...and that targeting people who don't commit crime will not lower the crime rate...

Instead...you say..."racism, racism, racism..." which is translated......." I have nothing, I look like a fool.....I have to do something....I know....I'll call him a racist....that ends the conversation and prevents me from having to actually respond with facts and truth...."

You are a moron.

Her motive and all of the shit you’re putting out before she pulled the trigger doesn’t matter. She was convicted.

What makes you a racist piece of shit is that in her case, you’re asking these questions now where you would just accept the verdict if the roles were reversed.


Now lie to us some more and say you wouldn’t

"RACIST RACIST RACISM RACE COLOR REEEEEEEEE!!!!"