Immanuel
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Actually, I see criteria for abortion where the medical community draws the cutoff, which is reliant on the viability of the fetus outside the womb.At what point has brain function developed enough that abortion is no longer okay for you?
I'm sorry for your loss.I have seen an unborn human being or at least a part of one, just after the mother and father found out a child was on the way... it was in my bed when my wife and I awoke. My wife lost our first child about a week after missing her period. It was rather bloody and we didn't exactly exam it as we were kind of heartbroken. And guess, what, it is pretty easy to say it didn't look human. It kind of relieves the pain somewhat. But, it was still human... the DOCTORS ACTUALLY CONFIRMED THAT! Can you believe that? It wasn't an alien. It was human. Go figure!
Most women discover they are pregnant well after we did. We were newlyweds and really wanted children so shortly after missing the first period, we had a test done. Three days later we woke up to bloody sheets. Just enough time to be thrilled to death that we were going to be parents.
Regardless of any of that, it is still a human being regardless of what you think and nothing you say can change that fact.
So what if it looks like any other mammal? It still looks human and it is still human. It won't become a cat or a dog or a whale or any other species. It is human thus... it looks like a human in the early stages of life.
You don't seem to know much about the topic at all, yet you have the mistaken impression that anyone gives a damn about your extremely biased opinion.
Care's description pretty much guts your so-called case.
Immie
That aside, Care's copy and paste in no way refutes anything I've said. In your own description, I couldn't help but notice you contradicted yourself. You refer to the fetus you saw as "part of" a human being. You acknowledge it looks like any other mammal and in the next sentence claim it *really* looks human. Well which is it? Does it look like any mammal or does it look human? Last I checked, the two were easy to differentiate. Does it look human or like part of one? Did it look human or did it look like a bloody mess of tissue?
And this is exactly the type of twisted reasoning I referred to. You are trying to convince yourself that this traumatic experience was not as foreign as it appeared, which explains the inherent contradictions. You are understandably upset by the personal experience and would naturally take the stance that such outcomes are bad. But what is emotional and traumatic and horrible for you is not the same for others. Because at the end of the day, you know for a fact that the bloody mess you saw was not a human being. You know what humans look like, and what you saw was not it. The doctors might have told you it was human tissue, but it was not a human being. You can't even claim that fetus was developing into a human being for the sheer fact of its unfortunate fate. It could not and did not become a human being.
Look, I owe you an apology. I was offended by your first post to me. Please forgive me.
I did not say that we should ban abortions. I don't even know where you came up with that idea from me unless you know me from other sites ten years ago?
I would love to entirely eliminate all abortions, but as I said in my last post, that will not happen by force. It can only happen through education and compassion. Compassion for the mothers as well as the fetus. Compassion for the people in this world that are starving. Compassion for the orphaned etc. And you want to know something? It takes both sides (pro-life and pro-choice) to come together on this issue in order to solve it. Quite frankly, we need to get the damned political parties out of the fray because both are doing their damnedest to interfere with the solution.
One more thing, what a human being looks like from the moment of conception through birth is completely immaterial. The fact is that it is a human being. It will never become anything else. The Pro-choice argument that it doesn't even look like a human being is a ridiculous argument that only seeks to hide the fact that it is a human being and always will be a human being. It is a deceptive argument. I'm not saying you are attempting to be deceptive, you are simply using an argument that has been brought forth before, but the truth is that regardless of what it looks like, it is still a human being.
I believe that it is actually you, yourself, who are trying to convince yourself that it is not a human being. How could it not be? There is no biological way that it could be anything besides a human being.
Immie