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No. Millions upon millions of voters did not know he was ineligible. They were stupid to the fact he wasnt. Just like Gruber stated the voters were stupid to the fact that Obamacare was bogus. As for Roberts, it is not his duty to vet Obama or deny swearing him in. JeezThe Maskell CRS memorandum, which has been widely discredited, was produced for one reason and one reason alone: to give political cover to members of Congress who voted to certify Obama’s Electoral College votes, knowing or strongly suspecting that he was not eligible for that office.True but here is the kicker. Wilson and Hoovers mothers became naturalized U.S. Citizens through the congressional 'Act 10 of Febuary 1855 Derivative Marriage' naturalization process when they married their U.S. citizen husbands before Herbert and Woodrow were born. Therefore Herbert and Woodrow became natural born Citizens born to two U.S. citizen parents which gave them sole allegiance to the U.S.A.. Andrew Jackson was exempt because he was covered under the Article 2 Grandfather Clause. As for Buchanan, both parents were citizens when he was born. His father born in Ireland naturalized in the Sovereign Commonwealth in PA via the process outlined in the 1776 PA constitution. Thus James Buchanan Sr. Became a citizen of the U.S. by being a citizen of one of the original 13 colonies and when James jr was born he was made a automatic natural born citizen born to two U.S. citizen parents giving him sole allegiance to the U.S.A.. Now for ineligible Chester. He was not a Article 2 natural born citizen do to the fact he was born before his fathers naturalization. Based on uncovered facts later in history he was unconstitutionally seated based on a fabricated nativity story (like Obama) and fraud by Authur himself which was not discovered until long after his death. He burned all of his family records to cover up the fraud. Stop trying to obfuscate the real facts to cover for ineligible Barack Hussein Obama Soebarka..
Morever, President Obama is the sixth U.S. President to have had one or both of his parents not born on U.S. soil." [listing Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Chester A. Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, and Herbert Hoover].[52]"
Natural-born-citizen clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Meanwhile in the real world:
There is only one court decision which squarely interprets the "natural born citizen" clause as applied to a candidate for president, which is Ankeny v. Daniels, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Indiana Ct. App. 2009, ). The Ankeny court ruled that the citizenship of President Obama's father is irrelevant:
Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.
Congressional Research Service:
“As explained by the Supreme Court of the United States over the course of a number of years, it is well settled from common law Principles of jus soli (“law of the soil”) extant in England and the Colonies at the time of Independence, as well as from subsequent constitutional provisions, as well as subsequent ‘statutory law, that all persons born “in” the United States and subject to its jurisdiction are citizens of the United States “at birth.” As such, any person physically born “in” the United States, regardless of the citizenship of one’s parents (unless such parents are foreign diplomatic personnel not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States), would appear to be a “natural born” citizen eligible to be President of the United States.”
Discredited by whom?
Remember once again- the voters knew Barack Obama was eligible, the Electoral College knew Obama was eligible, Congress knew Barack Obama was eligible- and Chief Justice Roberts swore him in three times.
Why does your wee little Birther brain believe that a right wing nutjob like Michelle Bachmann vote to confirm Barack Obama's election if she really thought he was not eligible?
Why would a staunch Conservative like Justice Roberts swear him in?
Why would Republican stalwarts like Orin Hatch and Lindsey Graham say:
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:
“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)
Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)
Again. Wong was never affirmed a Article 2 natural born Citizen. He was made a statutory Citizen under the 14th Amendment, not Articlec 2 Section 1, the only place in the Constitution with the term 'natural born Citizen. You see my uninformed Obama disciple, a statutory citizen (bestowed by man's pen) can never be a "natural born" citizen (bestowed by God/nature).Wong Kim Ark was never affirmed a Article 2 natural born Citizen.While Professor Titus believes that a natural born citizen requires two citizen parents, he also understands that the current Supreme Court precedent on what is a natural born citizen is the case of Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649. Under that precedent President Obama, Governor Jindal and Senator Rubio are natural born citizens. The question of Senator Cruz's status would be open to debate.
Wong explicitly cites British common law as the lens through which the founders would have understood natural born citizenship. And natural born status follow place of birth, even if both parents were aliens. Your fallacious claims regarding Vattel's 'law of nations' being the origin of natural born citizenship definition was shown to be meaningless babble, as no edition of the "Law of Nations' ever used the word 'natural born citizen' until 10 years AFTER the constitution was already written.
Cause precedes effect. It doesn't follow it by a decade.
No court has ever backed your exclusive definition of natural born citizenship. Nor has any law. Meaning that your definition isn't a legal one. And is thus irrelevant to the eligibility of any president.
Irrelevant since Arpaio initiated a 2nd criminal investigation seperate from the posses investigation with two newly appointed full time detectives. Arpaio is a patriot. It is why he has been elected for a 6th term.The taxpayers in Maricopa County that requested this investigation want to get to the bottom of this fraudulent president and expose him, his shady past and the others who helped him usurp the Oval Office.Arpaio sent a official police officer with Zullo to Hawaii. Do your homework.And by 'confronted them for answers', you mean when Zullo showed up in Hawaii and demanded that Hawaii give full access for all of their vital records to Zullo's non-profit corporation?
You forget....Zullo's 'cold case posse' isn't part of the Maricopa Sheriff's department. Its just a private non-profit that runs on donations. This from their own website.
The 'cold case posse' isn't part of the Maricopa County Sheriff's office. They are a non-profit corporation that 'supports' the Sheriff's office. Why didn't the Maricopa Country Sheriff's department officers go to Hawaii and ask? Why send a private non-profit that they know Hawaii could never release the documents to, as it would explicitly violate Hawaiian law?
If the case is as compelling as Sheriff Joe claims, then getting a warrant for the records would have been child's play. Yet in 3 years, Sheriff Joe has never been able to convince a single judge to authorize such a warrant.
Not one. Not even an Arizona judge.
Worse, if Sheriff Joe wanted to know if Obama's birth certificate was legit, why didn't he just *ask* Hawaii if it was? Its the first thing that a credible investigator would do: check with the issuing agency to verify authenticity. But Sheriff Joe never did, and to this day refuses to do.
Given that Hawaii has already verified that the information on Obama's LFBC published on the White House Website is accurate and matches the original records......why does Sheriff Joe refuse to ask? The Secretary of State of Arizona did;
There you go. Verification from the Secretary of State of Arizona that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for the President matches the original records on file. And which State is Maricopa county located? Arizona. The very State that had already verified that the information on Obama's birth certificate was accurate.
So why does Sheriff Joe ignore Arizona officials who have already verified the EXACT issue he's supposedly investigating? Why won't Sheriff Joe ask Hawaii if the Birth Certificate is accurate? Why won't Sheriff Joe release ANY official report on the issue from the Maricopa County Sheriff's department? Its been 3 years....and yet not a single official document on the matter from the Maricopa County Sheriff's department.
What is Sheriff Joe afraid of? What is he hiding that he won't release his report after 3 years of investigating?
How did that work out? How much Arizona tax payers money was spent on that junket?
Taxpayers have asked Arpaio to stop wasting their money
Taxpayers ask Maricopa Co. Board to stop birther investigation - CBS 5 - KPHO
Maricopa County taxpayers went before the Board of Supervisors Wednesday, asking them to stop Sheriff Joe Arpaio's birther investigation.
Two weeks ago, Arpaio sent members of his posse to Hawaii to investigate the legitimacy of President Obama's birth certificate.
CBS 5 News learned that the investigators sent by Arpaio spent more than $40,000. Arpaio said the money was donated by members of his "Cold Case Posse." The posse is made up of retired lawyers and law enforcement.
Taxpayers told the board that Arpaio needs to stop misusing thousands of tax payer dollars to pursue his birther investigation.
Read more: Taxpayers ask Maricopa Co. Board to stop birther investigation - CBS 5 - KPHO
Irrelevant since Arpaio initiated a 2nd criminal investigation seperate from the posses investigation with two newly appointed full time detectives. Arpaio is a patriot. It is why he has been elected for a 6th term.[/QUOTEThe taxpayers in Maricopa County that requested this investigation want to get to the bottom of this fraudulent president and expose him, his shady past and the others who helped him usurp the Oval Office.Arpaio sent a official police officer with Zullo to Hawaii. Do your homework.And by 'confronted them for answers', you mean when Zullo showed up in Hawaii and demanded that Hawaii give full access for all of their vital records to Zullo's non-profit corporation?
You forget....Zullo's 'cold case posse' isn't part of the Maricopa Sheriff's department. Its just a private non-profit that runs on donations. This from their own website.
The 'cold case posse' isn't part of the Maricopa County Sheriff's office. They are a non-profit corporation that 'supports' the Sheriff's office. Why didn't the Maricopa Country Sheriff's department officers go to Hawaii and ask? Why send a private non-profit that they know Hawaii could never release the documents to, as it would explicitly violate Hawaiian law?
If the case is as compelling as Sheriff Joe claims, then getting a warrant for the records would have been child's play. Yet in 3 years, Sheriff Joe has never been able to convince a single judge to authorize such a warrant.
Not one. Not even an Arizona judge.
Worse, if Sheriff Joe wanted to know if Obama's birth certificate was legit, why didn't he just *ask* Hawaii if it was? Its the first thing that a credible investigator would do: check with the issuing agency to verify authenticity. But Sheriff Joe never did, and to this day refuses to do.
Given that Hawaii has already verified that the information on Obama's LFBC published on the White House Website is accurate and matches the original records......why does Sheriff Joe refuse to ask? The Secretary of State of Arizona did;
There you go. Verification from the Secretary of State of Arizona that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for the President matches the original records on file. And which State is Maricopa county located? Arizona. The very State that had already verified that the information on Obama's birth certificate was accurate.
So why does Sheriff Joe ignore Arizona officials who have already verified the EXACT issue he's supposedly investigating? Why won't Sheriff Joe ask Hawaii if the Birth Certificate is accurate? Why won't Sheriff Joe release ANY official report on the issue from the Maricopa County Sheriff's department? Its been 3 years....and yet not a single official document on the matter from the Maricopa County Sheriff's department.
What is Sheriff Joe afraid of? What is he hiding that he won't release his report after 3 years of investigating?
How did that work out? How much Arizona tax payers money was spent on that junket?
Taxpayers have asked Arpaio to stop wasting their money
Taxpayers ask Maricopa Co. Board to stop birther investigation - CBS 5 - KPHO
Maricopa County taxpayers went before the Board of Supervisors Wednesday, asking them to stop Sheriff Joe Arpaio's birther investigation.
Two weeks ago, Arpaio sent members of his posse to Hawaii to investigate the legitimacy of President Obama's birth certificate.
CBS 5 News learned that the investigators sent by Arpaio spent more than $40,000. Arpaio said the money was donated by members of his "Cold Case Posse." The posse is made up of retired lawyers and law enforcement.
Taxpayers told the board that Arpaio needs to stop misusing thousands of tax payer dollars to pursue his birther investigation.
Read more: Taxpayers ask Maricopa Co. Board to stop birther investigation - CBS 5 - KPHO
I am sure that Joe does think it is irrelevant that taxpayers object to him wasting thousands of dollars on Birther idiocy.
It wont be just Zullo this time. It will be official law enforcement detectives who have been conducting the 2nd criminal investigation too. You can ridicule all you want as you are a Obama disciple but no matter what, the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office will handle revealing the new evidence in true law enforcement fashion with guidance from their attorneys.Mike Zullo has been fully trained by the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office under the powers granted to Sheriff Arpaio by the Arizona Constitution. He is well qualified and has ALL the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office resouces at his disposal, including their attorneys. Also Arpaio opened up a second criminal investigation a year ago appointing two full time detectives from the department. This is why the posse hasnt asked for donations anymore in many months.The second criminal investigation is what has delayed revealing all of the new posses evidence they collected since the second press conference. Once the 2nd investigation wraps they will hold two seperate conferences announcing their findings.Mike Zullo has been fully trained by the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office under the powers granted to Sheriff Arpaio by the Arizona Constitution. He is well qualified despite having another occupation in the past, which included being a private investigator and a police officer in New Jersey.LOL......'soon'.....how far off Stevie boy?
A week?
A month?
6 months?
January 2017?
Birthers will believe any used car salesman...even one who is getting payoffs of $10,000 from his own 'source'......
Mike Zullo is a former used cars salesman and is not a law enforcement officer.
Still waiting for any report by an actual law enforcement agency or law enforcement officer to support your claims.
Oh boy more press conferences!
Because that is of course how REAL law enforcement agencies enforce the law.....press conferences.
Not with District Attorney's or Grand Juries, or referrals to the FBI, or Congress...but a chance for a used car salesman to get in front of reporters......priceless.
And thanks for confirming- Mike Zullo is not a law enforcement officer and you have no report from any law enforcement agency stating any of the things you have claimed.
Wong Kim Ark was never affirmed a Article 2 natural born Citizen.While Professor Titus believes that a natural born citizen requires two citizen parents, he also understands that the current Supreme Court precedent on what is a natural born citizen is the case of Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649. Under that precedent President Obama, Governor Jindal and Senator Rubio are natural born citizens. The question of Senator Cruz's status would be open to debate.
Wong Kim Ark was never affirmed a Article 2 natural born Citizen.While Professor Titus believes that a natural born citizen requires two citizen parents, he also understands that the current Supreme Court precedent on what is a natural born citizen is the case of Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649. Under that precedent President Obama, Governor Jindal and Senator Rubio are natural born citizens. The question of Senator Cruz's status would be open to debate.
Totally false.Wong Kim Ark was never affirmed a Article 2 natural born Citizen.While Professor Titus believes that a natural born citizen requires two citizen parents, he also understands that the current Supreme Court precedent on what is a natural born citizen is the case of Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649. Under that precedent President Obama, Governor Jindal and Senator Rubio are natural born citizens. The question of Senator Cruz's status would be open to debate.
Wong explicitly cites British common law as the lens through which the founders would have understood natural born citizenship. And natural born status follow place of birth, even if both parents were aliens. Your fallacious claims regarding Vattel's 'law of nations' being the origin of natural born citizenship definition was shown to be meaningless babble, as no edition of the "Law of Nations' ever used the word 'natural born citizen' until 10 years AFTER the constitution was already written.
Cause precedes effect. It doesn't follow it by a decade.
No court has ever backed your exclusive definition of natural born citizenship. Nor has any law. Meaning that your definition isn't a legal one. And is thus irrelevant to the eligibility of any president.
Well, as a scholar he was able to figure out it was one or the other.Wong Kim Ark was never affirmed a Article 2 natural born Citizen.While Professor Titus believes that a natural born citizen requires two citizen parents, he also understands that the current Supreme Court precedent on what is a natural born citizen is the case of Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649. Under that precedent President Obama, Governor Jindal and Senator Rubio are natural born citizens. The question of Senator Cruz's status would be open to debate.
Professor Tutus in an amicus brief to the US Supreme Court in Rudy v. Lee said that in effect the decision on the meaning of the term natural born citizen comes down to a choice between Justice Gray's majority opinion and Chief Justice Fuller's dissenting opinion in Wong Kim Ark.
Totally false.
de vattel
everyone knows that the requirement for a "natural-born citizen" was placed in the constitution because thomas jefferson had a deathly fear of tyranny and undue influence that tank-grown, or unnaturally born, clones of past historical figures, including himself, might have on the future of the country.
or was it his unnatural clone that was in france?everyone knows that the requirement for a "natural-born citizen" was placed in the constitution because thomas jefferson had a deathly fear of tyranny and undue influence that tank-grown, or unnaturally born, clones of past historical figures, including himself, might have on the future of the country.
Just to be historically correct, Jefferson was in France at the time the Constitution was written.
Who has discredited the Maskell report?
Totally false.
"It is not necessary at this point to decide whether President Obama is a natural born citizen. Nor is it necessary now to endorse Justice Gray’s views over those of dissenting Chief Justice Fuller, or vice versa. Indeed, Mr. Rudy’s case against President Obama’s citizenship is based upon both views — that he is not a natural born citizen based either on his place of birth, or on the citizenship of his parents." Professor Titus, amicus brief Rudy v. Lee
great post, but it doesn't matter. there's no convincing those that won't listen.Totally false.
"It is not necessary at this point to decide whether President Obama is a natural born citizen. Nor is it necessary now to endorse Justice Gray’s views over those of dissenting Chief Justice Fuller, or vice versa. Indeed, Mr. Rudy’s case against President Obama’s citizenship is based upon both views — that he is not a natural born citizen based either on his place of birth, or on the citizenship of his parents." Professor Titus, amicus brief Rudy v. Lee
Herb Titus, after a respectable career, took a turn in his thinking, basically arguing that the United States is a Christian nation and that Christian principles must be considered in legal decisions. His argument on the eligibility of President Obama largely depends on a scripture from the Hebrew portion of the Bible that says "You shall not have a foreigner as ruler of your people." (I wouldn't call Obama a "foreigner" but Titus does.)
The decision in US v. Wong was 6-2, not just Justice Gray against Justice Fuller. Even assuming for a moment that Rudy had standing to be in court in the first place, no fewer than 11 courts have decided since 2008 in presidential eligibility cases, that people born US citizens in the country are unarguably natural born citizens and that this question has been well settled for over 100 years. Quoting from federal district judge Gibney in Virginia in the Tisdale case:
"It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”
As for Rudy's argument that Obama wasn't born in the country, that conspiracy theory has no backing. Administrative Law Judge Malihi in Georgia heard arguments for that and concluded that the evidence for that wasn't persuasive. (He was being kind.)
Irrelevant.Irrelevant since Arpaio initiated a 2nd criminal investigation seperate from the posses investigation with two newly appointed full time detectives. Arpaio is a patriot. It is why he has been elected for a 6th term.The taxpayers in Maricopa County that requested this investigation want to get to the bottom of this fraudulent president and expose him, his shady past and the others who helped him usurp the Oval Office.Arpaio sent a official police officer with Zullo to Hawaii. Do your homework.
How did that work out? How much Arizona tax payers money was spent on that junket?
Taxpayers have asked Arpaio to stop wasting their money
Taxpayers ask Maricopa Co. Board to stop birther investigation - CBS 5 - KPHO
Maricopa County taxpayers went before the Board of Supervisors Wednesday, asking them to stop Sheriff Joe Arpaio's birther investigation.
Two weeks ago, Arpaio sent members of his posse to Hawaii to investigate the legitimacy of President Obama's birth certificate.
CBS 5 News learned that the investigators sent by Arpaio spent more than $40,000. Arpaio said the money was donated by members of his "Cold Case Posse." The posse is made up of retired lawyers and law enforcement.
Taxpayers told the board that Arpaio needs to stop misusing thousands of tax payer dollars to pursue his birther investigation.
Read more: Taxpayers ask Maricopa Co. Board to stop birther investigation - CBS 5 - KPHO
So tax payers are paying for two full time detectives investigating this issue of urgency for Maricopa County?
Has Maricopa eliminated the backlog of child sex case charges yet?
Late 2005 to October 2007 was not a good time to be raped or molested in El Mirage.
During that time, the town had signed a contract to pay the Click|keyword[Maricopa+County+Sheriff's+Office]" style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">Maricopa County Sheriff's Office $3.6 million for police services. But Click|keyword[Joe+Arpaio]" style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">Sheriff Joe Arpaio didn't use the money to bolster his sex-crimes unit. Instead, the publicity-hungry sheriff's focus, as always, was on political witch hunts and pet projects that got his name in lights.
Victims of sex crimes — mostly children — in the town and throughout the county still are paying for Arpaio's misguided policies. Rapists and child molesters got away with their crimes.
Irrelevant.
False.Irrelevant.
What is relevant is that all of the CCP's "evidence" of fraud and forgery have been shown to be false. Any new "evidence" from the "new" investigation that is based on Dennis Montgomery's work is already debunked by the very nature of the source.
