Consider the word "constitution"

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    con·sti·tu·tion
       /ˌkɒnstɪˈtuʃən, -ˈtyu-/ Show Spelled[kon-sti-too-shuhn, -tyoo-
    –noun
    1. the way in which a thing is composed or made up; makeup; composition: the chemical constitution of the cleanser. Constitution | Define Constitution at Dictionary.com

    The Founders did not pick the word out of the air as they were drafting the document. They had deliberately called the document what it was: a constitution, a description of the nature, composition form and function of the new government. The very word itself has a meaning that has been lost and obfuscated.

    Obama and Progressives demonstrate a profound, fundamental and intentional ignorance of the very concept of a constitution when he/they states,

    "And to the extent as radical I think as people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted. The Warren Court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can't do to you. It says what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf." :cuckoo:

    Our Founder knew EXACTLY what they were doing! They did not draft a living, breathing easily malleable document. They drafted a document that was very precise in what the new federal government was supposed to do -- very little. It wasn't accidentally called a "constitution", they were describing the very nature of the limited democratic republic they formed using the best ideals of Rome as their base.
     
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    well here's where those tenthers come in Frank.....~S~
     
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    Thomas Jefferson

    "I set out on this ground which I suppose to be self-evident: 'That the earth belongs in usufruct to the living;' that the dead have neither powers nor rights over it... We seem not to have perceived that by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independent nation to another."
    Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:454, Papers 15:392

    "I willingly acquiesce in the institutions of my country, perfect or imperfect, and think it a duty to leave their modifications to those who are to live under them and are to participate of the good or evil they may produce. The present generation has the same right of self-government which the past one has exercised for itself."
    Thomas Jefferson to John Hampden Pleasants, 1824. ME 16:29

    "The idea that institutions established for the use of the nation cannot be touched nor modified even to make them answer their end because of rights gratuitously supposed in those employed to manage them in trust for the public, may perhaps be a salutary provision against the abuses of a monarch but is most absurd against the nation itself. Yet our lawyers and priests generally inculcate this doctrine and suppose that preceding generations held the earth more freely than we do, had a right to impose laws on us unalterable by ourselves, and that we in like manner can make laws and impose burdens on future generations which they will have no right to alter; in fine, that the earth belongs to the dead and not the living."
    Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1816. ME 15:46

    "Let us provide in our constitution for its revision at stated periods. What these periods should be nature herself indicates. By the European tables of mortality, of the adults living at any one moment of time, a majority will be dead in about nineteen years. At the end of that period, then, a new majority is come into place; or, in other words, a new generation. Each generation is as independent as the one preceding, as that was of all which had gone before. It has then, like them, a right to choose for itself the form of government it believes most promotive of its own happiness; consequently, to accommodate to the circumstances in which it finds itself that received from its predecessors; and it is for the peace and good of mankind that a solemn opportunity of doing this every nineteen or twenty years should be provided by the constitution, so that it may be handed on with periodical repairs from generation to generation to the end of time, if anything human can so long endure."
    Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:42

    Jefferson on Politics & Government


    Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe.
    Edmund Burke
     
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    You know that prior to FDR rewriting the constitution, there used to be Amendment process built into the document by the Founders, right?
     
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    Awareness Frank?...I'm surprised you can make it across a street without getting creamed.

    You ARE aware there has been an extremely well funded effort on the part of the elite, corporations and 'conservatives' to dismantle the New Deal since the 1930's?

    You ARE aware there has been an extremely well funded effort to create revisionist history that supports that agenda?

    You are aware you are a pea brain?
     
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    Tell me more about this "well funded effort on the part of the elite, corporations and 'conservatives' to dismantle the New Deal since the 1930's?" :eusa_liar: Sounds like they've been wasting money for 80 years.

    Are you admitting the the New Deal was an unconstitutional rewrite of the document totally outside of the aforementioned Amendment process?
     
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    No, it was not an unconstitutional rewrite. And when you freakazoids dismantle part of what FDR accomplished, such as the Glass-Steagle act, the nation suffers, just as we are now.

    The Constitution will continue to be interpreted in ways that cede more powers to the citizens, and less to the oligarchs. As much as you find this disturbing, we liberals find it to the interest of our nation. Just as we had to fight you concerning voting rights for all Americans, for Social Security, for government agencies such as the CDC, we will have to finish the fight for universal health care, for a distributed grid, that enables all citizens to be both producers and consumers. Yes, and income redistribution to even out the injustices of the present inequities in income.

    And you will cry, mewl, puke, and squeal, and eventually be remembered with as much affection as Martin, Barton, and Fish.
     
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    So in your world a 2,000 page law that no one read before voting on them, that the sponsors have already said guarantee control over citizens is actually a way to cede more power than what was guaranteed by the Constitution?

    You had to fight Ike and the Republicans to secure Voting rights? Yeah? You want to check that again, Sparky?

    Thank you for outing yourself as an EnviroMarxist.
     
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    Whether it was voting rights for African Americans, Women, or Native Americans, we had to fight the Conservatives of both parties to gain them. And what party did the Dixiecrats switch to after the Voting Rights bill became law?

    Eisenhower was a good President, one of the best. And all too many of the Conservative faction of the Republican Party did not like him at all.
     

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