Conservative Beliefs

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  1. midcan5
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    Doug posted that conservatives are diverse. I am not sure what that even means as all human beings are diverse. Few even have friends who share the same headset. But on the other hand starting in 70's the conservative think tanks and conservative MSM has laid out a list of memes that serve as a guide for conservatives. These ideas are so deeply imprinted in conservatives that you know their answer to any question or situation. The form I wrote them in originally was the contrast between belief and action.

    A little dated because of last election but the belief part still holds true. A few names can be swapped, Elizabeth can be swapped for Teresa. lol

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    This is a list of concepts and ideas that arrange the way a person thinks about a number of topics. The list includes items that are positive and negative and often it is the degree to which something is believed or used that determines the way they understand any of the issues that face us as Americans. They serve as categories that allow easy classification without thinking or reasoning.

    You believe taxes are bad
    You believe a government that taxes is bad
    You believe Unions are bad
    You believe giving tax cuts to those who ship jobs overseas is good
    You believe people on welfare are cheaters
    You believe welfare is bad
    You believe CEOs making 100 million are getting paid fairly
    You believe minimum wage is enough
    You believe millions of dollars of compensation for the rich is good
    You believe helping the poor is bad
    You believe government contracts for the rich are good
    You believe anyone without a job isn't looking
    You support small business but not the Small Business Administration
    You support small business but give dividend relief to the large corporations
    You support small business but tax breaks go to the top 1%
    You support small business but you shop at Walmart
    You support small business but you buy foreign products
    Government is a bad thing but the military industrial complex is a good thing
    Regulation is bad but bailing out failed corporations is good
    You talk Jesus and the power of religion but vote more corporate power
    You talk family values but vote more corporate power
    You talk less government but support more corporate power
    You talk honesty but support more corporate power
    You believe in a domino theory of actions
    You believe in the slippery slope of morals
    You believe the liberalism that founded American democracy is now wrong
    You protest against so called cultural elitism not corporate greed
    You protest against abortion not lack of education and funding
    You protest against evolution not the inequality of wages
    You protest against atheism not poor living conditions
    You have to believe a few cells is a person but bombing living people is fine
    A few cells is a person but executions are fine
    A few cells is a person but executing retarded people is fine
    A few cells is a person but supporting medical research that could save lives is bad
    A few cells is a person but the child that dies every minute doesn't matter
    A few cells is a person but food supports are bad
    A few cells is a person but sex education about it is bad
    A few cells is a person but condoms are bad
    We invaded Iraq because it was a threat to us
    We invaded Iraq because they didn't follow UN resolution 1441
    We invaded Iraq because they didn't allow UN inspectors
    We invaded Iraq because Saddam was a bad man
    We invaded Iraq to free the Iraqi people
    We invaded Iraq to form a democracy in the middle east
    You believe education is good but don't support it
    You believe education is a good thing but we don't need public schools
    You believe education is a good thing so long as they teach your values and religion
    You say 'leave no child behind' but make sure the rich get further ahead
    You impose 'No Child' laws but let the states pay for it
    You say 'compassionate' but cut back support for food for children
    You say 'compassionate' but withdraw aid for after school programs
    You say 'compassionate' but weaken international laws that protect child
    You believe it's ok to be armed but one ounce of pot is a jail sentence
    You believe it's ok to be armed but medical marijuana is bad
    You believe it's ok to be armed but song lyrics should be banned
    You believe it's ok to be armed and those who aren't are out of touch with reality
    You believe it is ok that women do not have the same rights as men
    You believe women should be quiet and in the background
    You believe women are ok but you hate Hilary
    You believe women are ok but you hate Teresa
    You support women but close the Office for Women's Initiatives
    You support women but remove medically accurate information from the web
    You believe tariffs are bad unless you are a corporate farmer
    You believe tariffs are bad unless it helps win votes
    You believe free trade is fine so long as it doesn't affect your corporate contributors
    You believe affirmative action is bad but connections are ok
    You believe global warming is myth
    You believe pollution is not an issue
    You believe the environment will take care of itself
    You believe we must roll back the New Deal
    You believe interfering in the lives of gays is proper
    You believe interfering in the lives who choose to die is proper
    You believe government is bad unless it enforces your values
    You believe government is bad unless it is bails out corporations
    You believe government is bad unless it builds more prisons
    You believe creating laws that impose on personal freedoms is good
    You believe that what another citizen is doing in their bedroom is your concern
    You believe if it is not something you believe in then it is wrong
    You believe you support the military
    You believe you support the military while you cut back their benefits
    You believe you support the military while you close VA hospitals
    You believe you support the military while you send them to war with no plan
    You believe you support the military while your candidates never served
    You believe creationism is good science
    You believe Evolution is just a theory
    You believe media is liberal
    You believe Limbaugh is right on
    You believe Hannity is right on
    You believe Coulter is right on
    You believe Savage is right on
    You believe Ingram is right on
    You believe the WSJ editorial page is right on
    You believe Fox is fair and balanced
    You believe media is liberal
    You believe Bush is a common man even though he has never worked nor served
    You believe Cheney is a common man even with a 55 million paycheck
    You believe the republicans represent the common man while the corporations support them
    You believe liberal or elitist is bad
    You believe some people are bad because of the coffee they drink
    You believe some people are bad because they read
    You believe some people are bad because they have traveled
    You believe people are bad because of the car they drive
    You believe people are bad because they honor dissent in America
    You believe it is not honesty and hard work but culture that defines us
    You believe it is not honesty and hard work but religion that defines us
    You believe it is not honesty and hard work but political affiliation that defines us
    You must believe as you believe in nothing else that your opponent's ideas are bad
    You must never concede that your opponent has a valid point you must repeat that
    You must finally raise your partisanship to an ideology that you believe as a child believes
    You believe you do not reason
    You believe you do not think
    You believe

    The scariest thing about the new right is the power it has on many. They do not question the assumptions it makes, they start at the top of this list and they find there truths that should not be questioned. An irony of this is the pieces by themselves are not always negative it is rather the combination of all working together that are a threat to individual and economic freedoms.
     
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    Listen bro...it wasn't always this way.

    It's just how it is NOW.

    But that doesn't mean you have to vote for ANY candidate who proves that list completely true.

    There are other options besides the one's that the corporate media shove down our throats.

    You can't just bitch about the system, if you are still going to let that system dictate your life.

    I read that list, and I only picked out a fraction of it that defines Ron Paul. and NONE of the one's that sounded the most horrible, either. The best thing about the man, is that even IF he shares those beliefs in that list, if the constitution doesn't authorize it, he doesn't even support the Federal government playing a role in it.

    If you're a liberal in the truest sense of the word, then that's fine. But having a man like Ron as our president would NOT be a bad thing for the people of America. I've talked to countless liberals about him, and the response i get is great.

    Don't let the media sway your beliefs, make up your OWN mind.
     
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    As I skimmed through the list of points in the initial post, I was thinking ... how can anyone who knows anything about the conservative movement say this? As I got toward the end, I was laughing ... because of the coffee they drink? Is this a put-on?

    But of course, few people on the Left know anything about the conservative movement.

    And this is understandable. Your knowledge of conservatism comes from Fox News, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and the people who post on these Boards, most of whom have politics which are within that framework.

    Why should you read our journals, or follow our debates on the Web? (Although I will say, without intending to hurt anyone's feelings, that some of the leftists and liberals who post on this Board don't seem to read very much of anything at all. If this is the case, all is lost.)

    Most people are comfortable with the beliefs and prejudices they have. So be it. But if anyone on the Left here would like to see some conservative politcal diversity, why not choose an issue, and I'll show you the astonishing range of conservative thought on it.

    Go on: gay rights, abortion, the war, immigration ... pick anything, one of these or something else. (If you find something substantial on which all conservatives agree, I will rejoice.)
     
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    "You believe Limbaugh is right on
    You believe Hannity is right on
    You believe Coulter is right on"

    Talk about three scarey people! :omg:

    But I believe the list was overstated dogma at its best. Those are the principles of conservatism as expressed by a liberal. I know a few conservatives who actually prove all of them true but only a few.

    Why do we gravitate to extremes? What is wrong with the middle? I try to live there and life is very comfortable! :D :eusa_dance:
     
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    Only scary if you fear the truth.

    Which libs, by and large, do.
     
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    Do you realize that Ann Coulter is emotionally disturbed? The woman definitely needs help!
     
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    you are so wedded to your prejudices, you wouldn't know a potential ally if they clapped you on the back.
     
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    well, since it appears there are as many gays (if not more) on the coinseravie side, That won't prove anthing.

    Immigration doesn't seem particularly devisive either, that leaves abortion, and the war--- take your pick
     
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    :rofl:

    Remember 'latta drinking liberals' from the last presidential election. Some right wingnut agitprop does date. The list is obviously hyperbole but isn't that the point of good political stone throwing? Actually in my liberal wired heart, I thought the list too harsh but then I hear many of cons on this site and I thought....

    Doug, where is your how to argue with a liberal? please post or email it to me, I'm dying to see it.
     
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    Mid....after reading that rant, its obvious you don't have a clue about anything conservatives believe....:cuckoo:
    At first I was tempted to reply to each one, but on further reflection, I come to the conclusion that if you actually believe what you posted, it would be a waste of my time....
    Its rather astounding that you can show such an ignorance of a topic....

    So if you think you don't pay enough in taxes...send the IRS some more
    If you think Corporations are evil, and CEO get paid too much,don't work for one.
    If you don't like Fox News...don't tune in...
    And the rest of your beliefs show just much too ignorance to even reply to...

    But the bottom line is...don't fuckin' preach to me about what I believe, you don't really have a clue in the first place....but if would like to defend any one of your inane points, pick one, I'm sure someone would try explain things to you..
     
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