Connecting the dots

[jreeves]

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

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This video definetly makes you think.....

 

[midcan5]

I'm not sure if that isn't satire. It is actually funny and spoken in a way that almost mocks the listener? It is sort of like saying you are so dumb that this nonsensical piece of video with its absurd connections and ridiculous juxtapositions proves how dumb you are if you believe what I am telling you. Yes, he must have invented the Internet because if you believe that, you can believe the stupidity and gross propaganda in the video. Very odd piece of agitprop.



"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." Joseph Goebbels

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over” Joseph Goebbels

 

[midcan5]

Liberation theology? Marxism? LT grew more out of the poor wondering about the political and social purposes of Christianity in a world they had little of.

"The first Catholic congresses devoted to liberation theology were held in Bogota in March 1970 and July 1971. On the Protestant side, ISAL organized something similar in Buenos Aires the same years.

Finally, in December 1971, Gustavo Gutiérrez published his seminal work, Teología de la liberación. In May Hugo Assmarm had conducted a symposium, "Oppression-Liberation: The Challenge to Christians," in Montevideo, and Leonardo Boff had published a series of articles under the title Jesus Cristo Libertador. The door was opened for the development of a theology from the periphery dealing with the concerns of this periphery, concerns that presented and still present an immense challenge to the evangelizing mission of the church."

http://www.landreform.org/boff2.htm

 

[Alpha1]

Liberation theology? Marxism? LT grew more out of the poor wondering about the political and social purposes of Christianity in a world they had little of.

"The first Catholic congresses devoted to liberation theology were held in Bogota in March 1970 and July 1971. On the Protestant side, ISAL organized something similar in Buenos Aires the same years.

Finally, in December 1971, Gustavo Gutiérrez published his seminal work, Teología de la liberación. In May Hugo Assmarm had conducted a symposium, "Oppression-Liberation: The Challenge to Christians," in Montevideo, and Leonardo Boff had published a series of articles under the title Jesus Cristo Libertador. The door was opened for the development of a theology from the periphery dealing with the concerns of this periphery, concerns that presented and still present an immense challenge to the evangelizing mission of the church."

http://www.landreform.org/boff2.htm

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

 

[midcan5]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

Just like a republican can't think on their own.

 

[jillian]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

Yes, we know that... Rovian politics is based on it.

 

[Gungnir]

How much Hope do you have?

 

[Dogger]

Yes, we know that... Rovian politics is based on it.

Is is really fair to lay all of the blame at Rove's feet? Joseph Goebbels did the groundwork; Rove just picked up where Goebbels left off.

It's ironic that Alpha used a quote commonly attributed to Goebbels to slam midcan's post. Goebbels's actually made a similar quote for the purpose of falsely denouncing Churchill as a liar. It was a classic instance of projection, attributing your own sins to your enemies.

 

[Alpha1]

Is is really fair to lay all of the blame at Rove's feet? Joseph Goebbels did the groundwork; Rove just picked up where Goebbels left off.
Right ....theres that "Freudian Projection" again.....


It's ironic that Alpha used a quote commonly attributed to Goebbels to slam midcan's post. Goebbels's actually made a similar quote for the purpose of falsely denouncing Churchill as a liar. It was a classic instance of projection, attributing your own sins to your enemies.

midcan used Goebbels quote right before me ... thats why I used it, clown...

midcan is a master of projection...and you ain't so bad yourself....

You and midcan5 could teach old Joe a few things....

 

[jreeves]

How much Hope do you have?

I have alot of hope that a ethnocentric, Marxist will not become the next President of the United States.

 

[jillian]

I think you need to read up on Marxism... because no one running is close to Marxist.

 

[jreeves]

I think you need to read up on Marxism... because no one running is close to Marxist.

You don't think he would employ some Marxist principles?

 

[Alpha1]

I think you need to read up on Marxism... because no one running is close to Marxist.

But some are closer than others......much closer....

 

[midcan5]

I have alot of hope that a ethnocentric, Marxist will not become the next President of the United States.

I find that today few know anything about the ideological sticks they try to beat others with. Obama is so far from a Marxist, you are probably closer in the sense your views are so narrowly partisan and you believe some outcome comes from a few words attached to a candidate.

[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Marx-Very-Short-Introduction-Introductions/dp/0192854054/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210071148&sr=1-10[/ame]

 

[jillian]

But some are closer than others......much closer....

I'm not quite sure why the nervous laughter at the end of your post... but no...there's nothing in Obama's platform that looks to state ownership of property.

The direct opposite of Marxism is Fascism, yes? So does that mean you support fascism, given your views being much closer to that than any other....

Just because you disagree with someone doesn't absolve you from actually thinking about the words you use.... no matter how much you want to spread propaganda.

 

[jreeves]

I find that today few know anything about the ideological sticks they try to beat others with. Obama is so far from a Marxist, you are probably closer in the sense your views are so narrowly partisan and you believe some outcome comes from a few words attached to a candidate.

http://www.amazon.com/Marx-Very-Sho...&s=books&qid=1210071148&sr=1-10&tag=ff0d01-20

Lmao....This is from your post, genius, this doesn't at all sound like Obama with his waging of class warfare...

Marx envisioned a world in which humanity toiled with its individual and universal fulfillment as the goal, rather than a world in which a few grow rich while the many dig ditches or work in Asian sweatshops for Nike. Freedom, true freedom, was the purpose behind Marx's work and also his life.


http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e.../05/06/high_oil_prices_for_obama_and_clinton/


Two days before Exxon's profits were announced, Obama said oil companies "are making billions and it's time we made them give back

 

[midcan5]

Marx envisioned a world in which humanity toiled with its individual and universal fulfillment as the goal, rather than a world in which a few grow rich while the many dig ditches or work in Asian sweatshops for Nike. Freedom, true freedom, was the purpose behind Marx's work and also his life.

Where is that from?

edit: I see that is from a reviewers comments. Please read the book, that comment is inaccurate and irrelevant.

Or read this piece.

"This leads us now to Marx's assessment of communism. Would communism be a just society? In considering Marx's attitude to communism and justice there are really only two viable possibilities: either he thought that communism would be a just society or he thought that the concept of justice would not apply: that communism would transcend justice.

Communism is described by Marx, in the Critique of the Gotha Programme, as a society in which each person should contribute according to their ability and receive according to their need. This certainly sounds like a theory of justice, and could be adopted as such. However it is possibly truer to Marx's thought to say that this is part of an account in which communism transcends justice, as Lukes has argued."

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/marx/

 

[jreeves]

Where is that from?

edit: I see that is from a reviewers comments. Please read the book, that comment is inaccurate and irrelevant.

Or read this piece.

"This leads us now to Marx's assessment of communism. Would communism be a just society? In considering Marx's attitude to communism and justice there are really only two viable possibilities: either he thought that communism would be a just society or he thought that the concept of justice would not apply: that communism would transcend justice.

Communism is described by Marx, in the Critique of the Gotha Programme, as a society in which each person should contribute according to their ability and receive according to their need. This certainly sounds like a theory of justice, and could be adopted as such. However it is possibly truer to Marx's thought to say that this is part of an account in which communism transcends justice, as Lukes has argued."

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/marx/

Good ole wikipedia should clarify this......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism
While there are many theoretical and practical differences among the various forms of Marxism, most forms of Marxism share:

a belief that capitalism is based on the exploitation of workers by the owners of capital a belief that people's consciousness of the conditions of their lives reflects material conditions and relations
an understanding of class in terms of differing relations of production, and as a particular position within such relations
an understanding of material conditions and social relations as historically malleable
a view of history according to which class struggle, the evolving conflict between classes with opposing interests, structures each historical period and drives historical change
That's pretty much what the reviewer on your post stated and that's Obama's political platform to a tee.

 

[Annie]

Lmao....This is from your post, genius, this doesn't at all sound like Obama with his waging of class warfare...

Marx envisioned a world in which humanity toiled with its individual and universal fulfillment as the goal, rather than a world in which a few grow rich while the many dig ditches or work in Asian sweatshops for Nike. Freedom, true freedom, was the purpose behind Marx's work and also his life.


http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e.../05/06/high_oil_prices_for_obama_and_clinton/


Two days before Exxon's profits were announced, Obama said oil companies "are making billions and it's time we made them give back

I'll agree that was what was 'envisioned.' I first read Das Kapital as a high school junior, (I was precocious), again as a senior. It fit in with my moral view, very close to Catholic view though I wouldn't have acknowledged that, of what the world should be like. Then again, I thought currency was a man made artifice that should be abandoned.

Truth is, while I do love Jesus, the Communist Manifesto is the most modern rendition, if not most realistic, proclamation of his message.