C_Clayton_Jones
Diamond Member
These people were elected by their constituents to tell the government to stop the nutcase spending spree.
Which seems to trump the Constitution.
You guys need to get your story straight.
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These people were elected by their constituents to tell the government to stop the nutcase spending spree.
There seems to be a distinct contradiction between the Congressional Oath of office and the fact that Congress People have taken the Norquist No-Tax Pledge:
First the Constitution states:
Article VI:
3: The Senators and Representatives ... shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution...
Second, the congressional Oath of Office States:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) ... that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter...
Third, the Constitution States:
Article XIV:
4: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law... shall not be questioned.
It seems obvious that by taking the "Norquist No-Tax Pledge", these congresspeople were lying when they swore "that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion"
Furthermore by refusing to increase the debt ceiling they are violating Article XIV sec. 4 and therfore violating their oath of office:
"I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office"
Don't believe me? (or just don't like what your reading), have a look here:
Judge H. Lee Sarokin: Does the Norquist No-Tax Pledge Violate the Congressional Oath of Office?
While the Constitution does not directly prescribe a method for removing Congress People, other than by the house itself, it does not exclude other methods either.
It would fall under the jurisdiction of the federal courts to determine removal from office for these violations:
Article III:
Section 2
1: The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States...
Time to get this wingnuts out of office!
No, youre quite correct.Don't believe me? (or just don't like what your reading), have a look here:
Unfortunately some will argue the Norquist No-Tax Pledge is mere political bombast and rhetoric that its not a real pledge and no conflict exists.
I don't see anywhere in the Constitution that obligates anyone to raise taxes.
Oh, Huffy-Puffy....That 'splains it.
No, your right, there is nothing in the Constitution requiring that taxes be raised, but there is a requirement to pay the existing debt. That's what this discussion is about.
I don't see anywhere in the Constitution that obligates anyone to raise taxes.
Oh, Huffy-Puffy....That 'splains it.
No, your right, there is nothing in the Constitution requiring that taxes be raised, but there is a requirement to pay the existing debt. That's what this discussion is about.
Third, the Constitution States:
Article XIV:
4: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law... shall not be questioned.
There ya go....Well, good night all!
I'm surprised that there are so many of you that apparently do not think that Congress People should live up to their oath of office nor respect the Constitution.
Just a big political game, huh?
What constitutional duties are congress members failing to uphold?
Where is it written that it is their duty to raise the debt ceiling?
For that matter, where is it written that it's their duty to borrow money from foreign countries??
There seems to be a distinct contradiction between the Congressional Oath of office and the fact that Congress People have taken the Norquist No-Tax Pledge:
First the Constitution states:
Article VI:
3: The Senators and Representatives ... shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution...
Second, the congressional Oath of Office States:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) ... that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter...
Third, the Constitution States:
Article XIV:
4: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law... shall not be questioned.
It seems obvious that by taking the "Norquist No-Tax Pledge", these congresspeople were lying when they swore "that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion"
Furthermore by refusing to increase the debt ceiling they are violating Article XIV sec. 4 and therfore violating their oath of office:
"I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office"
Don't believe me? (or just don't like what your reading), have a look here:
Judge H. Lee Sarokin: Does the Norquist No-Tax Pledge Violate the Congressional Oath of Office?
While the Constitution does not directly prescribe a method for removing Congress People, other than by the house itself, it does not exclude other methods either.
It would fall under the jurisdiction of the federal courts to determine removal from office for these violations:
Article III:
Section 2
1: The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States...
Time to get this wingnuts out of office!
There ya go....Well, good night all!
I'm surprised that there are so many of you that apparently do not think that Congress People should live up to their oath of office nor respect the Constitution.
Just a big political game, huh?
Run and hide rather than answer, what should be (given your constitutional expertise), a simple question.
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What constitutional duties are congress members failing to uphold?
Where is it written that it is their duty to raise the debt ceiling?
For that matter, where is it written that it's their duty to borrow money from foreign countries??
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
There ya go....Well, good night all!
I'm surprised that there are so many of you that apparently do not think that Congress People should live up to their oath of office nor respect the Constitution.
Just a big political game, huh?
Run and hide rather than answer, what should be (given your constitutional expertise), a simple question.
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I'll help you out here.
Your turn.Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
Where the fuck is the debt ceiling in the Constitution?
Eh?
These people were elected by their constituents to tell the government to stop the nutcase spending spree.
Which seems to trump the Constitution.
You guys need to get your story straight.
There ya go....Well, good night all!
I'm surprised that there are so many of you that apparently do not think that Congress People should live up to their oath of office nor respect the Constitution.
Just a big political game, huh?
Run and hide rather than answer, what should be (given your constitutional expertise), a simple question.
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I'll help you out here.
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
Your turn.
Where the fuck is the debt ceiling in the Constitution?
Eh?
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;