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Give it a fucking rest. The topic is marriage. You dipshits lost the debate on marriage equality so you then starting obsessing about transgender issues. You always have to have an issue. Haters have toi hate. It's just a matter of who is the most vulnerable target. Try instead to learn something about transgenders or just shut the fuck upIf you do a search of the liberal insane asylum opinions vary from 63 to 112
And thats within the first 5 or 10 responses
So ONLY 57 is a conservative guess of what liberals are capable of
If that is supposed to be an answer to my question, it's a miserable fail. What has been all been downhill on countless fronts since then. Spell it out!If you go back in time when the first free thinking liberal decided that marriage was an unnecessary religious imposition
And way back then marriage was between a man and a woman
So libs were not even talking about two men shacking up
And its all been downhill on countless fronts since then
APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH (D.C. No. 2:13-CV-00217-RJS)
- When one makes the absurd statement that “gays already had equality prior to Obergfell “because they already could , like anyone else, marry someone of the opposite sex, they are presuming that a gay person can decide to live as a straight person and have a fulfilling life with someone of the opposite sex. The other possibility is that they do not believe that fulfillment or love in marriage is a right or a reasonable expectation., at least not for gays. In any case they are, in effect dehumanizing gay people, portraying them as being devoid of emotion and the ability to love and desire another person as heterosexuals do.
In addition, they are reducing the institution of marriage to a loveless business arrangement while for the vast majority of people it is much more. It devalues marriage in a way, much more profoundly than feared by the anti-equality bigots, who bemoan the demise of traditional marriage simply because it is being expanded to include gays.
Heterosexuals are able to choose a marriage partner based in part on sexual attraction and romantic interests. That is a choice, that gay people do not have, if denied legal marriage. Sure they can choose to forgo marriage in order to be with the person who they desire, but to do so would require that they forfeit the legal security, economic benefits and social status that goes with marriage That, is really not much of a choice at all and many courts have agreed.
One of the best illustrations of that is the opinion of the 10th Circuit Court of appeals ruling to uphold the lower court which invalidated Utah’s ban on same sex marriage. Selected passages follow:
Kitchen V. Herbert
On cross motions for summary judgment, the district court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs. It concluded that “[a]ll citizens, regardless of their sexual identity, have a fundamental right to liberty, and this right protects an individual’s ability to marry and the intimate choices a person makes about marriage and family.” Kitchen v. Herbert, 961 F. Supp. 2d1181, 1204 (D. Utah 2013).
Two landmark decisions by the Supreme Court have undermined the notion that the question presented in Baker v. Nelson ( which was overturned by the Obergefell decision) is insubstantial. Baker was decided before the Supreme Court held that “intimate conduct with another person . . . can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring The liberty protected by the Constitution allows homosexual persons the right to make this choice.” Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, (pg. 17)
Windsor is the other case referred to above
DOMA “impose[d] a disadvantage, a separate status, and so a stigma upon all who enter into same-sex marriages . . . .” Id. The statute “undermine[d] both the public and private significance of state-sanctioned same-sex marriages” by telling “those couples, and all the world, that their otherwise valid marriages are unworthy of federal recognition.” Id (pg.21)
It is already apparent that the courts see marriage as much more than a impersonal business arrangement. Even prisoners have the right to marry:
The Turner Court’s description of the “important attributes of marriage [that] remain . . . after taking into account the limitations imposed by prison life,” 482 U.S. at 95, is relevant to the case at bar: First, inmate marriages, like others, are expressions of emotional support and public commitment…………. (pg 29)
We must reject appellants’ efforts to downplay the importance of the personal elements inherent in the institution of marriage, which they contend are “not the principal interests the State pursues by regulating marriage.”
We nonetheless agree with plaintiffs that in describing the liberty interest at stake, it is impermissible to focus on the identity or class-membership of the individual exercising the right. See De Leon, 2014 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 26236, at *58-59
A state “cannot define marriage in a way that denies its citizens the freedom of personal choice in deciding whom to marry, nor may it deny the same status and dignity to each citizen’s decision” (quotations omitted)). “Simply put, fundamental rights are fundamental rights. They are not defined in terms of who is entitled to exercise them.” Pg.37)
In summary, we hold that under the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the United States Constitution, those who wish to marry a person of the same sex are entitled to exercise the same fundamental right as is recognized for persons who wish to marry a person of the opposite sex, and that Amendment 3 and similar statutory enactments do not withstand constitutional scrutiny.
Give it a fucking rest. The topic is marriage. You dipshits lost the debate on marriage equality so you then starting obsessing about transgender issues. You always have to have an issue. Haters have toi hate. It's just a matter of who is the most vulnerable target. Try instead to learn something about transgenders or just shut the fuck up
You are the one who chose to make big issue over 57 gendersGive it a fucking rest. The topic is marriage.
The breakup of the traditional 2 parent familyIf that is supposed to be an answer to my question, it's a miserable fail. What has been all been downhill on countless fronts since then. Spell it out!
Except for white male Conservative Evangelicals, then discriminate away with impunity. who are you kidding?And the influence of sectarian religion in our political and government institutions. Our national legislative body works, or should, for all Americans.
The breakup of the traditional 2 parent family
The acceptance of what used to be called bastard childen
As single motherhood has gone up society has been in decline
Thats the legacy of liberalism
You do know what their ultimate goal is, right? Normalization and legalization of Paedophilia.No I dont
Homosexuality should never have been legalized in the first place
Sort ofYou do know what their ultimate goal is, right? Normalization and legalization of Paedophilia.
Where the lib sexual revolution is concerned there is no bottom lineWhere do we draw the line? Serial cheating? Anything beyond that isn't acceptable?
Oh, they'll deny, obfuscate, claim "it'll never happen" "consenting adults", blah, blah, blah. But it was EXACTLY the same way with homosexuals. EXACTLY!Sort of
I agree that is their next goal
But sexual perverts are unhappy misfits and allowing them dress up as women or have sex with children will not make them happy
So they will always look for another society norm to attack
Just a few observationsAll these words of deflection when in reality the truth is self evident, MARRIAGE is a tradition established by religion and its defined as between a Man and a Woman. Why the attempt to force same sex marriage upon a society that defines marriage as between a man and a woman? Its not about, LOVE, BENEFITS, etc., its about political power as garnered by SPECIAL INTEREST groups that are attempting to change this society from a representative republic into a social democracy. You can quote all the precedence you will....and its all MOOT, because the legal precedent that was followed for 200 years always ruled that STATES had the authority to issue marriage licenses.......not the federal government.....until the precedent was not followed.
As stated.........the 13,14 or 15th amendment as defined by a radical judicial system does not rescind nor make null and void the 1st or the 10th amendments to the US Constitution. Because a radical judicial system declares something legal cannot change the traditional definition of marriage.......nor does it make it MORAL. Moral people make moral laws, immoral people make immoral laws.
Its a simple thing. SHOW ME THE WORD "MARRIAGE" anywhere in the US Constitution or following amendments. If its not in the Constitution the words not found therein belong to the STATES (not to SCOTUS) Article 10 of the States Bill of Rights.
There is no argument......thus all the deflection about legal precedence.......in reality, it would take a total idiot to read the Constitution (written at an 8th grade level of comprehension) and not understand the words they are reading....or a left winger pretending to be something they are not................intelligent.
Where the lib sexual revolution is concerned there is no bottom line
That and America's Holocaust known as abortion on demand.The breakup of the traditional 2 parent family
The acceptance of what used to be called bastard childen
As single motherhood has gone up society has been in decline
Thats the legacy of liberalism
Actually I'm going straight to necrophilic beastiality. Lots of road kill around here .I might as well get to it before the vultures doYou do know what their ultimate goal is, right? Normalization and legalization of Paedophilia.
We still have traditional 2 parent families. Only now, some of those families have two moms or two dads.The breakup of the traditional 2 parent family
People have a right to be a single parent. Get over itThe acceptance of what used to be called bastard childen
You'll have to explain and document that showing cause and effectAs single motherhood has gone up society has been in decline
It's a perversion of the only true and proper definition of family.We still have traditional 2 parent families. Only now, some of those families have two moms or two dads.
