Colorado judge strikes down AR-15 ban, and over 10 round magazine ban....good.

[August West]

We don`t need no stinking background checks. Just open up enough car doors and you`ll have one. I wonder if these guns are now in the hands of criminals?
Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week | News | wsmv.com

Yeah.....shitheads like you have made almost every public space gun free zones by force of law...

Then, when normal gun owners have to leave their guns in their car to get grocery's, the criminals can steal them from their cars...

The solution is to get rid of gun free zones so normal Americans don't have to leave their guns in their cars...

You idiot.

The "gun free zone" nonsense was put to bed a long time ago. More firearms in schools, malls, movie theaters, etc. is a really stupid idea.
The Gun-Free Zone Myth: No relationship between Gun-Free Zones and Mass Shootings – Armed With Reason

 

[Blues Man]

Children have no gun rights

Where does it say that? Do not children have the right to defend themselves? It happens many times that a child is forced to use a gun to protect themselves and their siblings.

Just like telling children their grounded without having a trial with jury by their peers and an attorney to represent them, parents have the right to limit the child's possession or ownership but government does not. For the first 179 years of this country it was perfectly legal for a child to buy a gun. Most parents (remember when parents actually had control of their children?) didn't allow it. Most gun shops wouldn't sell to a child, either, but doesn't mean that a child does not have the right to defend their own life and the life of others where they're able. The right to keep and bear arms stems from that right and other rights that we as adults, and children, too, enjoy.

In fact, there's no Federal restriction on minors buying a rifle at any age, in a private sale. The only Federal restriction is on licensed gun dealers selling a long gun to someone under 18 and a handgun to someone under 21. It is also illegal, separately, for someone under the age of 18 to buy or possess a handgun so minors can't legally buy a handgun even privately.

1960s Unrest Was The Impetus For The First Gun Age Limits

You have to be 21 to buy a handgun at a store, but only 18 to get one at a gun show.

www.history.com

YEah you go ahead and believe a 5 year old has the right to buy firearms.

 

[Blues Man]

I have no problem denying felons their right to bear arms. I have no problem denying people who obtain guns via illegal means their right to bear arms.

With rights come responsibilities.

You might want every excon to be able to buy a gun as he walks out of the door of prison I think it's a bad idea.

You're entitled to your opinion and there are certainly some good arguments to be made in support of it. Even so, the Constitution doesn't permit it and your support of it with the current state of the Constitution means you are neither a constitutionalist nor a supporter of the 2nd Amendment.

Like Handgun Control, Inc (HCI), you're a gun controller and support violations of the Constitution and infringements on the right to keep and bear arms. The only difference between you and them is in which gun control measures you support.

Since the federal gun laws on the books have not been deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court it doesn't matter if you think they are unconstitutional or not

 

[Blues Man]

It's gun control. Criminals are only controlled when in jail or prison. You pretend to be pro-gun, and support the 2nd Amendment but you're clearly anti-2nd-Amendment. If the old gun laws work then certainly more must work. All we need to do is create them and enforce them - and call it criminal control.

Read the links.

Project exile put criminals in federal prisons for breaking federal gun laws. There were no new gun laws passed.

And you're a fucking idiot if you think I am not pro 2nd amendment. And FYI I have not once supported new gun laws because the federal gun laws we already have on the books are adequate.

The Federal gun laws we have on the books are gun control and in violation of the 2nd Amendment and you openly support them and you've just stated that gun control, if enforced, works. You're a gun controller. Oh, sure, you're pro-gun, but you're certainly NOT pro-2nd-Amendment. You're an idiot if you think I'm going to fall for your lies.

You support gun control. In fact, you want existing gun control enforced. That you haven't yet openly supported new infringements on the right to keep and bear arms does not, in any way, alter the fact that you openly admit that you support the current infringements on the right to keep and bear arms.

If you don't see the hypocrisy in what you're saying, if you can't see that, in your heart, you support gun control, you're the idiot. You support the gun control you like and object to the controls you don't like. You can't have it both ways, though, the 2nd Amendment doesn't allow for some infringements. You're a gun controller; you're just in denial.

I have no problem denying felons their right to bear arms. I have no problem denying people who obtain guns via illegal means their right to bear arms.

With rights come responsibilities.

You might want every excon to be able to buy a gun as he walks out of the door of prison I think it's a bad idea.

The ex con only needs to open up a few car doors and he`ll have a gun. 12 irresponsible gun owners gave guns to criminals in just one week in Nashville.
Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week | News | wsmv.com

"Gave"???

this idiot thinks that when you are roobed you give your property away.

He probably thinks women who have been raped said yes.

 

[Blues Man]

Illegal gun possession is a federal crime punishable by a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

When that law is enforced, crime rates drop, the murder rate drops but you don't want to enforce that law. Why is that?

Because I don't think that the Prison-Industrial Complex works.

If he has an illegal gun, you take away his gun. Period. Full fucking stop.

The other problem I have with these laws is that when they are 'enforced", it's usually against poor people and people of color.

so then you're not serious about controlling crime.

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe because it's poor people of color mostly breaking those laws?

Or maybe white people get a break.

You know, Aunt Becky gets 11 days and the black lady gets 5 years.

Rush Limbaugh gets rehab and the poor black kid gets jail.

 

[JoeB131]

so then you're not serious about controlling crime.

Sure I am. First thing, realize what we are doing doesn't work.

Second thing, fix the underlying CAUSES of crime- racism, poverty, mental illness

Third things, get rid of the fucking guns because they make being a criminal a lot easier than it would be if they weren't available.

 

[Blues Man]

so then you're not serious about controlling crime.

Sure I am. First thing, realize what we are doing doesn't work.

Second thing, fix the underlying CAUSES of crime- racism, poverty, mental illness

Third things, get rid of the fucking guns because they make being a criminal a lot easier than it would be if they weren't available.

I agree. Not enforcing federal gun laws doesn't work. What does work is enforcing federal gun laws. It's been done and it worked.

 

[2aguy]

We don`t need no stinking background checks. Just open up enough car doors and you`ll have one. I wonder if these guns are now in the hands of criminals?
Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week | News | wsmv.com

Yeah.....shitheads like you have made almost every public space gun free zones by force of law...

Then, when normal gun owners have to leave their guns in their car to get grocery's, the criminals can steal them from their cars...

The solution is to get rid of gun free zones so normal Americans don't have to leave their guns in their cars...

You idiot.

The "gun free zone" nonsense was put to bed a long time ago. More firearms in schools, malls, movie theaters, etc. is a really stupid idea.
The Gun-Free Zone Myth: No relationship between Gun-Free Zones and Mass Shootings – Armed With Reason

And that link is a lie.....when mass public shooters don't have a direct relationship with the victims in a target location, they pick gun free zones....you idiot...

That is how that link lies.....the shooter this week who targeted the business and killed 4, it was a gun free zone but he had a connection to that business...they think the 9 year old who was murdered in the attack was his son....

The mass public shooter who chose their targets not based on past relationships choose gun free zones.....

The Sandy Hook shooter chose that school because although he went to that school, he also went to the middle school and the highschool.....but the middel and high school had police liaison officers, who had guns......he also chose Sandy Hook because he wanted the most helpless victims...

The Colorado theater shooter...passed up several theaters that were showing the same movie at the same time...but they allowed concealed carry....the theater he chose prohibited concealed carry.

The South Carolina church shooter told immediate friends he had thought of shooting up government buildings but they had armed security, the church did not....

Mass Shootings in Gun-Free Zones | The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

According to ABC News, El Paso law enforcement officials advise that, moments before his killing rampage, the shooter cased the Walmart “looking for Mexicans.” While that may be so, it is nevertheless true that, consistent with his “manifesto,” his recon was also calculated to make sure that he would be attacking in a low-security area. In that regard, the Walmart store had no armed security guard, no police presence, and was located in a shopping mall that was a self-proclaimed “gun-free zone.”
Similarly, in the Dayton, Ohio, mass shooting on Sunday, which immediately followed the El Paso murders, the victims were attacked as they exited a nightspot that was a gun-free zone.
And, in the Garlic Festival shootings in Gilroy, California last week, the victims were trapped inside a fenced area after going through metal detectors to make sure that they were disarmed. The shooter avoided the metal detectors by cutting through the fence and then attacking a victim pool that the Gilroy authorities had rendered incapable of defending themselves.
So it is that these most recent massacres share the one common element of almost all mass casualty shootings: gun-free zones.In addition to the El Paso shooter’s “manifesto,” there is abundant anecdotal evidence that mass casualty shooters prefer gun-free zones. For example, in 2016, Dearborn Heights, Michigan, ISIS supporter Khalil Abu Rayyan had an online discussion with an undercover FBI agent in which he discussed his plan for a “martyrdom operation” by attacking a Detroit church. He told the agent that this would be an easy target because “people are not allowed to carry guns in church.” Fortunately, Abu Rayyan was arrested before he could achieve martyrdom.
Similarly, in 2015, Elliot Rodger murdered six people in a Santa Barbara, California, gun-free zone. In his 141-page “manifesto,” he explained that in planning his attack he had decided against launching it in other locations where someone with a gun might be present to cut short his killing spree.
In the 2012 Aurora, Colorado, theater massacre, the killer’s diary showed that he had decided against attacking an airport because of its “substantial security.” And, out of the seven movie theaters within 20 minutes of the shooter’s home, he chose the only one that had posted signs declaring it to be a gun-free zone.
Given this record, anyone concerned with eliminating — or at least substantially reducing — mass public shootings must ask whether or not gun-free zones pose a danger to the public by attracting killers who prefer an unarmed victim pool and should give serious consideration to the following propositions:



3/3-/18

Orlando, Pulse Night club shooter wanted to attack Disney land

Pulse shooter's initial target was Disney site, prosecutors say


Prosecutors say the Orlando nightclub shooter intended to attack Disney World’s shopping and entertainment complex by hiding a gun in a stroller but became spooked by police and chose the gay club as his target.

3/5/18
Profile of a School Shooter | National Review

The second thing: The shooter reveals that he thought seriously about whether his target would be a “gun free zone.” I mention this not to endorse any particular policy, but to make it clear that it is by no means rare for those who would do harm to first scope out their destinations and to make sure that they won’t encounter much resistance. The shooter openly explains that he chose the local elementary school, rather than the school he was really angry with (his own), because it lacked an armed guard. He also admits to having researched how long it took cops to respond in the area (15 minutes), and how long it would be before SWAT was on site (45 minutes). This echoes comments made by the shooter at Isla Vista, who considered carrying out his attack on Halloween, but decided against it because there’d be “too many cops walking around during an event like Halloween, and cops are the only ones who can hinder my plans.”

The actual story linked above...

“I HAVE TO BEAT **** **** . .” he wrote nine days before the Sept. 28, 2016, shooting in a misspelled reference to the Sandy Hook killer,**** ****. “Atleast 40.”

Two days later, he debated whether he should attack his middle school, from which he’d been expelled, or his elementary school, just up the road.

He decided on Townville Elementary because it was closer and had no armed security.


“Itll be like shooting fish in a barrel,” he wrote his friends, whose identities remain unclear, along with whether the FBI has tracked any of them down. The agency declined to comment, citing Jesse’s open case.

In the chat, he said he had researched police response times for the area and found that it would take them 15 minutes to get there, maybe 45 for SWAT. He said he would throw pipe bombs into each classroom before he got in a shootout with police and killed himself with his shotgun. He said he had been planning a massacre for two years.

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The Colorado theater shooter evidence...

Did Colorado shooter single out Cinemark theater because it banned guns?

Yet, neither explanation is right. Instead, out of all the movie theaters within 20 minutes of his apartment showing the new Batman movie that night, it was the only one where guns were banned. In Colorado, individuals with permits can carry concealed handgun in most malls, stores, movie theaters, and restaurants. But private businesses can determine whether permit holders can carry guns on their private property.
Most movie theaters allow permit holders carrying guns. But the Cinemark movie theater was the only one with a sign posted at the theater’s entrance.
A simple web search and some telephone calls reveal how easily one can find out how Cinemark compared to other movie theaters. According to mapquest.com and movies.com, there were seven movie theaters showing "The Dark Knight Rises" on July 20th within 20 minutes of the killer’s apartment at 1690 Paris St, Aurora, Colorado. At 4 miles and an 8-minute car ride, the Cinemark’s Century Theater wasn't the closest. Another theater was only 1.2 miles (3 minutes) away.
There was also a theater just slightly further away, 10 minutes. It is the "home of Colorado's largest auditorium," according to their movie hotline greeting message. The potentially huge audience ought to have been attractive to someone trying to kill as many people as possible. Four other theaters were 18 minutes, two at 19 minutes, and 20 minutes away. But all of those theaters allowed permitted concealed handguns.
So why would a mass shooter pick a place that bans guns? The answer should be obvious, though it apparently is not clear to the media – disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks


FBI: Dearborn Heights ISIS supporter planned to attack Detroit church

In conversation's between Abu-Rayyan and the undercover agent, Abu-Rayyan described his desire to commit a martyrdom operation.

The complaint filed in federal court doesn’t specify which Detroit church he was allegedly planning to attack, only that it was close and could seat 6,000 members.

The complaint quotes Abu-Rayyan saying:

“It's easy, and a lot of people go there. Plus people are not allowed to carry guns in church. Plus it would make the news. Everybody would've heard. Honestly I regret not doing it. If I can't do jihad in the Middle East, I would do my jihad over here."

He had also told the undercover agent that a church would be an easy target because people are not allowed to carry guns there and that it would make the news.

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Minnesota…...

Minnesota teen made bombs, stockpiled guns in prep for school massacre: police

The unhinged teen told cops, after being busted Tuesday, that he planned to shoot his sister, mom and dad with a .22-caliber rifle before he went to a rural field and set a fire to distract cops.
The 11th-grader then said he planned to go to Waseca Junior and Senior High School where he would toss Molotov cocktails and explode pressure-cooker bombs to try and kill “as many students as he could” in the cafeteria during lunchtime.
About 1,000 students, in 7th through 12th grade, attend the school.
LaDue, according to the notebook of his plan, would kill the school resource officer before continuing to kill other students. He was prepared to be gunned down by a SWAT Team, police said.


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Vince Vaughn is right about guns (and was brave to be so honest) | Fox News

Last June, Elliot Rodger, who killed six people in Santa Barbara, Calif., explained his own choice. In his 141-page “Manifesto,” Rodger turned down alternate targets because he worried that someone with a gun would cut short his killing spree.

That same month, Justin Bourque shot to death three people in Canada. His Facebook page made fun of gun bans, with pictures of defenseless victims explaining to killers that they weren’t allowed to have guns.

The diary of the Aurora, Colorado, “Batman” movie theater killer, James Holmes, was finally released this past week. It was clear that he was considering both attacking an airport and a movie theater, but he turned down the airport option because he was concerned about their “substantial security.”

Of course, there are numerous other examples such as the Columbine killersopposing the concealed carry law that was then working its way through the state legislature. The bill would have allowed people to carry permitted concealed handguns on school property. The killers timed their attack for the very day that final passage of the law was planned for in the legislature.

If you go to the link for the Colorado theater shooter they have a photo of his journal where he has notes about airports…..he lists one of the items…."Substantial Security"

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/james-holmes-notebook-dragged.pdf
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Sandy hook, did not have police resource officer

Building a safer Sandy Hook | News21: Gun Wars

The high school and middle school, which already had armed resource officers, doubled down on security and restricted all visitors that didn’t have prior permission to enter.
Lupica: Morbid find suggests murder-obsessed gunman Adam Lanza plotted Newtown, Conn.'s Sandy Hook massacre for years

They don’t believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet,” he continued. “This was the work of a video gamer, and that it was his intent to put his own name at the very top of that list. They believe that he picked an elementary school because he felt it was a point of least resistance, where he could rack up the greatest number of kills. That’s what (the Connecticut police) believe.”

The man paused and said, “They believe that (Lanza) believed that it was the way to pick up the easiest points. It’s why he didn’t want to be killed by law enforcement. In the code of a gamer, even a deranged gamer like this little bastard, if somebody else kills you, they get your points. They believe that’s why he killed himself.
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It really was like he was lost in one of his own sick games. That’s what we heard. That he learned something from his game that you learn in (police) school, about how if you’re moving from room to room — the way he was in that school — you have to reload before you get to the next room. Maybe he has a 30-round magazine clip, and he’s only used half of it. But he’s willing to dump 15 rounds and have a new clip before he arrives in the next room.”

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MILLER: What would have prevented Lanza from mass murder at Sandy Hook?

The shooter only stopped when the police arrived. He had plenty of ammunition and was prepared to continue changing magazines and reloading.
The rifle found near Lanza had a magazine only half-empty. Police found two empty 30-round magazines duct-taped together in a tactical configuration at the scene.
Gun-control advocates often cite “high-capacity” magazines as a cause of gun violence, but the sophisticated way Lanza prepared his weapons showed how easy it is to change a magazine of any size and reload, even in an active shooter situation.
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It is a shame that Mrs. Lanza gave her mentally ill son access to firearms. If the mother had locked her guns and not allowed her son to enjoy shooting — which the report says was a pastime he enjoyed — perhaps that would have prevented the shooting with those guns.
However, Lanza planned this killing over a long period of time. He conducted drive-by runs to the school. He had a spreadsheet of mass murders and studied school shootings. Even if he didn’t have access to his mother’s guns, one can presume he would have stolen them from another home.
And if he had tried to buy a rifle, he would have passed the FBI background check because there’s nothing in his records preventing him from owning a firearm.
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Blame school security?
The school doors were locked and secure at 9:30 a.m. with a video camera and buzzer system that can allow entry after that time from three monitoring locations. Lanza simply shot through the plate-glass window next to the lobby door to enter the school.
A 911 call was made at 9:35 a.m. It took less than five minutes for the police to get to the school. About a minute later, Lanza shot and killed himself. The first officer entered the school at 9:44 a.m.
In that tight time frame, it seems the only thing that could have stopped Lanza was a good guy inside the school with a gun. There were no armed security guards at Sandy Hook Elementary School, nor did any of the staff have a weapons.

 

[2aguy]

so then you're not serious about controlling crime.

Sure I am. First thing, realize what we are doing doesn't work.

Second thing, fix the underlying CAUSES of crime- racism, poverty, mental illness

Third things, get rid of the fucking guns because they make being a criminal a lot easier than it would be if they weren't available.

If the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians would stop releasing violent gun offenders over and over again, that would stop the gun crime problem....

If you arrested and kept felons caught with guns locked up for 20-30 years for that violation, that would stop gun crime and murder.

If you kept gun criminals who use guns in crimes locked up for life, that would stop gun crime cold.......you would see a 95% or more drop in gun crime over night...

But no....the democrat party keeps releasing the actual gun criminals who do all of the shootings in these democrat party controlled cities..

You have to explain that, and you won't..

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Or maybe white people get a break.

You know, Aunt Becky gets 11 days and the black lady gets 5 years.

Rush Limbaugh gets rehab and the poor black kid gets jail.

Not for the same thing which I already gave you a link to. As always Joe

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But have you ever heard of them questioning the original owner about some shooting it was used in?
I haven't.

We know more responsible people most likely so we don't have any personal experience with that. But the fact of the matter is they always make attempts to trace the gun to the suspect. Successful? Probably only part of the time. But if their research leads them to only 10% of the murderers, that's 10% more put in prison we don't have to worry about.

 

[2aguy]

Or maybe white people get a break.

You know, Aunt Becky gets 11 days and the black lady gets 5 years.

Rush Limbaugh gets rehab and the poor black kid gets jail.

Not for the same thing which I already gave you a link to. As always Joe

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Aunt Becky likely didn't use a gun during the act of selling drugs, and likely doesn't have a lifetime of crime going back to her teen years.........

You know, little things like that change the equation....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Aunt Becky likely didn't use a gun during the act of selling drugs, and likely doesn't have a lifetime of crime going back to her teen years.........

You know, little things like that change the equation....

I explained that to him repeatedly, but you know what it's like trying to make a liberal see something outside of their paradigm.

What he's making reference to is an earlier discussion we had about that college scam where the rich and famous mothers were paying off administrators to get their kids in the school. He made the comparison to some black lady who sneaked her kid into a suburban high school where she didn't live. She also had a criminal history and another criminal case pending in court when they busted her. She got a few years in prison over those things while the wealthy college mom got a slap on the hand.

I tried to explain to him the difference between ripping off the taxpayers and paying off a big shot in college. He thinks it's the same thing. As you pointed out, I also explained that the wealthy college mother never so much as had an outstanding parking ticket while the mother with the kid in public school had a record, but he's convinced it was irrelevant and all about race. Forget the fact it wasn't even the same judge in both cases.

My mother and sister are very religious and devout Catholics. Until today my sister is convinced she was followed around by an angel as a child, and my mother thinks she seen Mother Mary. I have a cousin who believes in ghosts, and he never lived anywhere that he didn't experience a ghost in the house. I had an old friend that believed in martians, and swore up and down he seen a flying saucer about 100 feet from where he was sitting one night.

If you believe in something strong enough, you will see it with your own eyes whether it's real or just part of your imagination.

 

[freyasman]

We don`t need no stinking background checks. Just open up enough car doors and you`ll have one. I wonder if these guns are now in the hands of criminals?
Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week | News | wsmv.com

Yeah.....shitheads like you have made almost every public space gun free zones by force of law...

Then, when normal gun owners have to leave their guns in their car to get grocery's, the criminals can steal them from their cars...

The solution is to get rid of gun free zones so normal Americans don't have to leave their guns in their cars...

You idiot.

The "gun free zone" nonsense was put to bed a long time ago. More firearms in schools, malls, movie theaters, etc. is a really stupid idea.
The Gun-Free Zone Myth: No relationship between Gun-Free Zones and Mass Shootings – Armed With Reason

No it wasn't.
That's just people lying to you.

 

[freyasman]

Illegal gun possession is a federal crime punishable by a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

When that law is enforced, crime rates drop, the murder rate drops but you don't want to enforce that law. Why is that?

Because I don't think that the Prison-Industrial Complex works.

If he has an illegal gun, you take away his gun. Period. Full fucking stop.

The other problem I have with these laws is that when they are 'enforced", it's usually against poor people and people of color.

so then you're not serious about controlling crime.

Prison industry is pretty fucked up in this country but you don't tear something down if you don't even understand why it was built in the first place.
All kinds of fuckery and bad shit ensues.

 

[2aguy]

Illegal gun possession is a federal crime punishable by a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

When that law is enforced, crime rates drop, the murder rate drops but you don't want to enforce that law. Why is that?

Because I don't think that the Prison-Industrial Complex works.

If he has an illegal gun, you take away his gun. Period. Full fucking stop.

The other problem I have with these laws is that when they are 'enforced", it's usually against poor people and people of color.

so then you're not serious about controlling crime.

Prison industry is pretty fucked up in this country but you don't tear something down if you don't even understand why it was built in the first place.
All kinds of fuckery and bad shit ensues.

The old idea that when a lefty is walking in a field and sees a fence, they get angry and tear it down, simply because it exists....

A conservative sees the same fence and says to themselves.....why did they put this fence up?

 

[freyasman]

But have you ever heard of them questioning the original owner about some shooting it was used in?
I haven't.

We know more responsible people most likely so we don't have any personal experience with that. But the fact of the matter is they always make attempts to trace the gun to the suspect. Successful? Probably only part of the time. But if their research leads them to only 10% of the murderers, that's 10% more put in prison we don't have to worry about.

I'm just saying if a pistol is used in a shooting during a carjacking or a robbery, the cops don't go to the guy who bought it 8 years ago and then had it stolen from his truck, and begin treating him as a suspect in the shooting; that doesn't happen.
Unless they actually recover the gun, they can't trace it at all, and they know damn good and well the guy in the suburbs who bought it back when, wasn't involved in some gang beef shooting at a waffle house, or a robbery.

 

[freyasman]

Aunt Becky likely didn't use a gun during the act of selling drugs, and likely doesn't have a lifetime of crime going back to her teen years.........

You know, little things like that change the equation....

I explained that to him repeatedly, but you know what it's like trying to make a liberal see something outside of their paradigm.

What he's making reference to is an earlier discussion we had about that college scam where the rich and famous mothers were paying off administrators to get their kids in the school. He made the comparison to some black lady who sneaked her kid into a suburban high school where she didn't live. She also had a criminal history and another criminal case pending in court when they busted her. She got a few years in prison over those things while the wealthy college mom got a slap on the hand.

I tried to explain to him the difference between ripping off the taxpayers and paying off a big shot in college. He thinks it's the same thing. As you pointed out, I also explained that the wealthy college mother never so much as had an outstanding parking ticket while the mother with the kid in public school had a record, but he's convinced it was irrelevant and all about race. Forget the fact it wasn't even the same judge in both cases.

My mother and sister are very religious and devout Catholics. Until today my sister is convinced she was followed around by an angel as a child, and my mother thinks she seen Mother Mary. I have a cousin who believes in ghosts, and he never lived anywhere that he didn't experience a ghost in the house. I had an old friend that believed in martians, and swore up and down he seen a flying saucer about 100 feet from where he was sitting one night.

If you believe in something strong enough, you will see it with your own eyes whether it's real or just part of your imagination.

JoeB131 is just a lying troll; you can't explain anything to him. His only interest in truth is to try and squash it wherever he can.

 

[freyasman]

Illegal gun possession is a federal crime punishable by a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

When that law is enforced, crime rates drop, the murder rate drops but you don't want to enforce that law. Why is that?

Because I don't think that the Prison-Industrial Complex works.

If he has an illegal gun, you take away his gun. Period. Full fucking stop.

The other problem I have with these laws is that when they are 'enforced", it's usually against poor people and people of color.

so then you're not serious about controlling crime.

Prison industry is pretty fucked up in this country but you don't tear something down if you don't even understand why it was built in the first place.
All kinds of fuckery and bad shit ensues.

The old idea that when a lefty is walking in a field and sees a fence, they get angry and tear it down, simply because it exists....

A conservative sees the same fence and says to themselves.....why did they put this fence up?

Sometimes a fence is a good thing. For example, I almost hit a cow in the road last week, lol.