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    Health Benefits of Coffee - WebMD
     
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    I like drinking coffee very much. But they appear to be referring to an observational rather than an experimental study. If it's an observational study, that means cause and effect inferences cannot legitimately be made. Period. End of story.

    There is a real need for education of the media so that they understand that cause and effect cannot be inferred with statistical data unless those statistical data were generated during controlled experimentation.
     
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    Coffee is good for you? What about people who measure by the pot, not the cup?
    I just might live forever. ;)
     
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    Oh my god, that cannot be correct.
     
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    An example of what I'm talking about. A statement of cause and effect. The study did not show that six cups or more "caused" a risk reduction. Instead, it showed an association. It showed that people who drank six or more cups per day suffered the condition at a lower frequency than people who did not. But it did not show that the coffee drinking was the reason for it.

    To do that, you'd need to get a group of experimental subjects then randomly assign some to the "treatment" of drinking coffee and others to the "control" group that would not drink coffee. If you don't do that, you can't infer cause and effect.

    This thing of presenting observational studies that create the impression that cause and effect has been inferred is epidemic in our society. The educated consumer of such information should keep this in mind:

    If it wasn't a controlled experiment in which some subjects were randomly assigned the "treatment" and other subjects were assigned to be "controls," cause and effect has not been established.
     
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    :lol:

    Those mice consume 5 cups a day?

    I love my 2 cups of coffee in the morning but I'm jittery until noon. There is something intrinsically wrong with that. :)
     
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    What were the four main food groups again? Coffee, cream, chocolate and more coffee?
     
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    Go away, hater. This is in Food, not Science and tech or Health and Medicine :evil: If you don't want any coffee, just leave and let us have it
     
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    Well, then, I am good to go. I think it may be cause it makes me pee a lot, getting rid of toxins is kind of important
     

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