CO2 Causes High pressure systems, amiright?

[zzzz]

In Illinois during the heat wave of 1936
Bloomington 114 degrees (all-time record) 17 days above 100, 3 days with highs 110 or higher
Decatur 110 (2nd highest on record) 17 day >= 100
Galesburg 112 (all-time record) 17 days >= 100
... and on and on.
Where are the hundred degree days this year? They had 17 straight days above 100 and this is not the desert but the Midwest.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Not following you...what is AGW?...forgive me...I don't watch cable TV, nor do I visit conservative or liberal web sites regarding this topic.

LOL NP (laugh out loud no problem)

AGW is the Acronym for the Death Worshiping Cult know as Anthropogenic (manmade) Global Warming. I've labeled them the "Warmers" for short and the "scientists" Hansen, Jones, Mann, etc as the "Decline Hiders" because it drive the Warmers batshit crazy both to be called Warmers and to have me disparage their Cult leaders as the fakes and frauds they are.

Guys like that are the problem here. People who want to view themselves in a grandios saviour kind of role, or want to create alarm to sell more solar panels, give the real science out there a bad name.

No side should ever be viewing scientific data through that kind of prism, nor should anyone use unbiased scientific data to beat up political opponents.

This whole thing should be looked upon as people trying to figure, A) If man has, and will, affect our climate to a detriment which threatens our existence, and B) If so, can we do anything about it.

Those are the only valid questions IMHO.

Don't forget

C) If we can do something, does the benefit exceed the cost?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What we are seeing is differant weather patterns from what we have seen previously. Weather reacting differantly from the Enso than it has in the past. Now Franky boy, say anything you like. Normal weather is not what we have seen in the last 12 months in most places in the world.

We never had high pressures systems before?

Can you point to the place at the AIP site that shows how CO2 causes high pressure systems, I couldn't find anything

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In Illinois during the heat wave of 1936
Bloomington 114 degrees (all-time record) 17 days above 100, 3 days with highs 110 or higher
Decatur 110 (2nd highest on record) 17 day >= 100
Galesburg 112 (all-time record) 17 days >= 100
... and on and on.
Where are the hundred degree days this year? They had 17 straight days above 100 and this is not the desert but the Midwest.

1936 does not count because it was limited to the Continental US. But recent heat wave in the Continental US counts because its ManMade Global Warming at work.

Did you follow that?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Do American Progressives cause Global Warming?

1930's FDR: Record highs

2011 Obama: Record highs

Therefore, American Progressive cause Global Warming.

Science = settled

 

[konradv]

In Illinois during the heat wave of 1936
Bloomington 114 degrees (all-time record) 17 days above 100, 3 days with highs 110 or higher
Decatur 110 (2nd highest on record) 17 day >= 100
Galesburg 112 (all-time record) 17 days >= 100
... and on and on.
Where are the hundred degree days this year? They had 17 straight days above 100 and this is not the desert but the Midwest.

1936 does not count because it was limited to the Continental US. But recent heat wave in the Continental US counts because its ManMade Global Warming at work.

Did you follow that?

Of course not, because no one except you and the other anti-scientific deniers are saying things like that. If people report high temps, it's to debunk the Global Cooling hoaxsters out there, their claim that temps are actually lower and the useful idiots, like you.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In Illinois during the heat wave of 1936
Bloomington 114 degrees (all-time record) 17 days above 100, 3 days with highs 110 or higher
Decatur 110 (2nd highest on record) 17 day >= 100
Galesburg 112 (all-time record) 17 days >= 100
... and on and on.
Where are the hundred degree days this year? They had 17 straight days above 100 and this is not the desert but the Midwest.

1936 does not count because it was limited to the Continental US. But recent heat wave in the Continental US counts because its ManMade Global Warming at work.

Did you follow that?

Of course not, because no one except you and the other anti-scientific deniers are saying things like that. If people report high temps, it's to debunk the Global Cooling hoaxsters out there, their claim that temps are actually lower and the useful idiots, like you.

We moved on, we just scientifically proved that American Progressives cause Global Warming.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

1936 does not count because it was limited to the Continental US. But recent heat wave in the Continental US counts because its ManMade Global Warming at work.

Did you follow that?

Of course not, because no one except you and the other anti-scientific deniers are saying things like that. If people report high temps, it's to debunk the Global Cooling hoaxsters out there, their claim that temps are actually lower and the useful idiots, like you.

We moved on, we just scientifically proved that American Progressives cause Global Warming.

All the scientists agree.
I read it in the NYT.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Of course not, because no one except you and the other anti-scientific deniers are saying things like that. If people report high temps, it's to debunk the Global Cooling hoaxsters out there, their claim that temps are actually lower and the useful idiots, like you.

We moved on, we just scientifically proved that American Progressives cause Global Warming.

All the scientists agree.
I read it in the NYT.

I have Peer reviewed this post and can say its accurate to the 99.99% significance level

We have Consensus

Science = settled

 

[ScienceRocks]

 

[Old Rocks]

Of course, our resident wingnuts are going to claim that the graph is made up, even though reading the daily newpapers confirms it. I would like to see a similiar graph with plots for the world.

 

[Old Rocks]

A new paradigm. How extreme weather could create a global food crisis

2010 was among the hottest and wettest years on record – we are entering a period of climate and food insecurity.


This article titled “How extreme weather could create a global food crisis” was written by Joseph Romm, for guardian.co.uk on Friday 4th February 2011 14.30 UTC

The US national oceanic and atmospheric administration reported that 2010 tied 2005 for the hottest year on record – and was the wettest year on record. This is no coincidence. As Kevin Trenberth, the head of climate analysis for of the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, explained:

There is a systematic influence on all of these weather events nowadays because there is more water vapour lurking around in the atmosphere than there used to be, say, 30 years ago. It’s about a 4% extra amount, provides plenty of moisture for these storms and it’s unfortunate that the public is not associating this with the fact that this is one manifestation of climate change. And the prospects are that these kinds of things will only get worse in the future.

Globally, 2010 saw 19 nations – a record number – set temperature records including Pakistan, which hit 53.5C, the hottest temperature ever reliably measured in Asia’s history. From mid-December to mid-January of this year, the National Centre for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) reported that parts of north-eastern Canada were 21C above average, “which are very large values to be sustained for an entire month”. In Coral Harbour, in the north-west corner of Hudson Bay, “the town went 11 days without getting down to its average daily high.” In mid-December, Greenland experienced the most extreme high-pressure system of its kind ever recorded anywhere on the planet. Last year saw the greatest ice melt on record for Greenland.

In America, Tennessee was devastated by a once-in-1,000-year rain storm leading to what some called Nashville’s Katrina. In October, the strongest storm ever recorded in the Midwest broke pressure records.

As Craig Fugate, who heads the US federal emergency management agency, said in December: “The term ’100-year event’ really lost its meaning this year.”

 

[Old Rocks]

We are entering an era of climate and food insecurity. Munich Re, one of the world’s leading reinsurers, issued a news release in late September, entitled “large number of weather extremes as strong indication of climate change,” which noted:

A new paradigm. How extreme weather could create a global food crisis

Munich Re’s natural catastrophe database, the most comprehensive of its kind in the world, shows a marked increase in the number of weather-related events … it would seem that the only plausible explanation for the rise in weather-related catastrophes is climate change. The view that weather extremes are more frequent and intense due to global warming coincides with the current state of scientific knowledge as set out in the Fourth IPCC Assessment Report

 

[Old Rocks]

Spring extreme weather events in 2011 in U.S.: historic and record setting - Capital Weather Gang - The Washington Post


Billion dollar weather disasters in 2011 (NOAA National Climatic Data Center)
Summary:

The onslaught of extreme weather events this past spring may have no equal in the historic record.. Harold Brooks, researcher at NOAA’s Storm Prediction Center, speaking at a press briefing Wednesday, said the most similar year to 2011 might be 1927 which had significant tornado activity and flooding. However, historic indicators of drought do not suggest similarly dry conditions in the Southwest that year.

By Jason Samenow | 11:15

 

[Old Rocks]

http://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/heat-wave-in-the-usa/

• Bill McKibben, A link between climate change and Joplin tornadoes? Never!, Washington Post, 24 May 2011.

It starts:

Caution: It is vitally important not to make connections. When you see pictures of rubble like this week’s shots from Joplin, Mo., you should not wonder: Is this somehow related to the tornado outbreak three weeks ago in Tuscaloosa, Ala., or the enormous outbreak a couple of weeks before that (which, together, comprised the most active April for tornadoes in U.S. history). No, that doesn’t mean a thing.

It is far better to think of these as isolated, unpredictable, discrete events. It is not advisable to try to connect them in your mind with, say, the fires burning across Texas — fires that have burned more of America at this point this year than any wildfires have in previous years. Texas, and adjoining parts of Oklahoma and New Mexico, are drier than they’ve ever been — the drought is worse than that of the Dust Bowl. But do not wonder if they’re somehow connected.

If you did wonder, you see, you would also have to wonder about whether this year’s record snowfalls and rainfalls across the Midwest — resulting in record flooding along the Mississippi — could somehow be related. And then you might find your thoughts wandering to, oh, global warming, and to the fact that climatologists have been predicting for years that as we flood the atmosphere with carbon we will also start both drying and flooding the planet, since warm air holds more water vapor than cold air.

It’s far smarter to repeat to yourself the comforting mantra that no single weather event can ever be directly tied to climate change. There have been tornadoes before, and floods — that’s the important thing. Just be careful to make sure you don’t let yourself wonder why all these record-breaking events are happening in such proximity — that is, why there have been unprecedented megafloods in Australia, New Zealand and Pakistan in the past year. Why it’s just now that the Arctic has melted for the first time in thousands of years. No, better to focus on the immediate casualties, watch the videotape from the store cameras as the shelves are blown over. Look at the news anchorman standing in his waders in the rising river as the water approaches his chest.

Luckily, scientists are busy at work on these questions. For example, these papers on floods came out in February:

• Pardeep Pall, Tolu Aina, Dáithí Stone, Peter Stott, Toru Nozawa, Arno Hilberts, Dag Lohmann, and Myles Allen, Anthropogenic greenhouse gas contribution to flood risk in England and Wales in autumn 2000, Nature 470 (17 February 2011), 382–385. Supplementary information available for free online.

• Seung-Ki Min, Xuebin Zhang, Francis W. Zwiers and Gabriele C. Hegerl, Human contribution to more-intense precipitation extremes, Nature 470 (17 February 2011), 378-381.

I believe that someday we will understand whether and how extreme weather events are linked to global warming—if not individually, at least statistically. Whether we’ll understand it soon enough for it to make much difference—I’m less sure about that.

Luckily, I’m back in Singapore now, so I don’t personally have to worry about the heat wave in the USA. No heat advisory here! The weather is quite normal, with the heat index a nice cool 100 °F (or 38 °C).

 

[ScienceRocks]

Of course, our resident wingnuts are going to claim that the graph is made up, even though reading the daily newpapers confirms it. I would like to see a similiar graph with plots for the world.

Don't count the red of course because that has nothing to do with the Atmosphere.

If this was the 40s, 50s, 60s time frame I'd say the data was incomplete, but being that it is 1980's through 2000's most of the data is pretty solid. We had satellite, radar and well written record within this period. One thing to note is the "yellow" is fires, droughts and extreme temperatures the difference between the 1980s to 2000's were around two fold.

The sun is very active indeed!

 

[zzzz]

The graph supports an increase however like anything it has to be looked at in totality. What is classified as a calamity? The 30's would have looked similar maybe worse except that worldwide calamities that happen toady would not be noticed or reported back then because there was no media present or population involved. Be cause of the population explosion almost every area of the planet is becoming populated and people are being subjected to mother nature more and more. This automatically increases the incidence of "calamities" even if there is no real increase in activity on the planet. So what looks like an increase may not in reality be an increase.

Also data can be manipulated. Temperature extremes for instance. What is abnormally hot? Is it 90 degrees, 95 degrees, 100 degrees. Even setting the standard one degree lower significantly alters the effects of the graph. Heat index records this year? They did not even have heat index back in the 30's when they had 17 straight days in excess of 100 degrees in the Midwest!

Yes there could be warming but you cannot take information in a visual form (graph) too literally because of the ability to make the data say what you want to say.

 

[konradv]

We moved on, we just scientifically proved that American Progressives cause Global Warming.

All the scientists agree.
I read it in the NYT.

I have Peer reviewed this post and can say its accurate to the 99.99% significance level

We have Consensus

Science = settled

How is 6% a consensus?!?!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And you've isolated this "Warming" to an increase in CO2?

Seriously?

Can you show us how this works in a lab? What happens when you increase CO2 by 100 or even (eeeek!!!!) 200 PPM?

What happened to all the Cat 5 hurricanes you predicted after Katrina because of AGW? Now you double down on the Joplin tornado as spawned by AGW? I'll bet you get compted at every casino on the planet for making bets like that

Google: CO2 causes high pressure systems see what comes up

 

[ScienceRocks]

And you've isolated this "Warming" to an increase in CO2?

Seriously?

Can you show us how this works in a lab? What happens when you increase CO2 by 100 or even (eeeek!!!!) 200 PPM?

What happened to all the Cat 5 hurricanes you predicted after Katrina because of AGW? Now you double down on the Joplin tornado as spawned by AGW? I'll bet you get compted at every casino on the planet for making bets like that

Google: CO2 causes high pressure systems see what comes up

The warming is caused by the sun! But anyways Dean and Felix 2007 where cat5's. I'm pretty sure as Igor, Ike were likely cat5s, but without recon data because they were within the central Atlantic. Ike and Igor was surely stronger a day before recon shown them to be 130 knot+ storms. The eastern Pacific has had a very interesting last few years. Celia 2010, Also a believe we have had one this year....But satellite data underestimates some times.

The western pacific has some intense storms this season. The one going on right now at one point had a 8.0/8.0 or 165 knots/875 milibars satellite estimate. You don't find one with higher!