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edthecynic said:Again you are dishonestly using Troposphere data, and outdated at that!
All of the data tracks seem to mirror each other interms of anomoly from a baseline. Whether it is the tropospheric data or the ground station data. The satelite data automatically averages for the globe while the ground station data must be adjusted, averaged and massaged until the raw data no longer exists.
The "Blink Comparrisons" of ground station data is interesting in that every adjustment made is always upward. I find this to be interesting when the heat island effect should be producing higher temperatures in any event and yet the raw data is still adjusted upward.
Kind of makes you wonder what the upward adjustments are based on, doesn't it?
That does not make the accusations credible. Even less so witnessing your flailing and avoidance today.
From your link:
"Despite no global warming in 10 years and recording setting cold in 2007-2008"
You get more ridiculous with each post!
"Record setting cold" my ass!
How the hell can the 5th WARMEST and 8th WARMEST years be RECORD SETTING COLD!?!
NCDC: Climate of 2008 - Annual Report
NOAA: 2008 Global Temperature Ties as 8th Warmest on Record
The year 2008 tied with 2001 as the eighth warmest year on record for the Earth, based on the combined average of worldwide land and ocean surface temperatures through December, according to a preliminary analysis by NOAA's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.
NCDC: Climate of 2007 - Annual Report
Global Temperatures
For 2007, the global land and ocean surface temperature was the fifth warmest on record. Separately, the global land surface temperature was warmest on record while the global ocean temperature was 9th warmest since records began in 1880.
That does not make the accusations credible. Even less so witnessing your flailing and avoidance today.
They are more credible than your post claiming 2007 and 2008 were "record setting cold" years.
More flailing...since I didn't claim that.
OK, You want surface temperature. You got it.
I hate posting GISS data as long as "cook the books" Hansen is there but they admit that 2008 was the coolest since 2000. 2009 is shaping up to be even cooler.
GISS Surface Temperature Analysis
Global Temperature Trends: 2008 Annual Summation
Originally posted Dec. 16, 2008, with meteorological year data. Updated Jan. 13, 2009, with calendar year data.
Calendar year 2008 was the coolest year since 2000, according to the Goddard Institute for Space Studies analysis [see ref. 1] of surface air temperature measurements.
They will further down state that it is the ninth warmest on record but of course that is the case when one is just declining from a solar maximum peak.
Coldest year since 2000 is NOT "record setting cold."
NCDC: Climate of 2009 - February
Boreal Winter (December - February) Winter Global Temperature Highlights
The combined global land and ocean surface temperature for boreal winter (December-February) was 54.72 degrees F, 0.92 degree F above the 20th century mean of 53.8 degrees F and ranking eighth warmest.
Separately, the global land surface temperature was 39.31 degrees F, 1.51 degrees F above the 20th century mean of 37.8 degrees F, ranking as ninth warmest on record.
The global ocean surface temperature of 61.20 degrees F ranked as seventh warmest on record and was 0.70 degree F above the 20th century mean of 60.5 degrees F.
The site is Canadian perhaps they had record setting cold in Canada. That wouldn't surprise me or perhaps they are using 2000 as their baseline. Hell why not? Hansen arbitrarily uses the 1950 something to 1980 something as his. That by the way was the time period of the last solar minimum. That allows him to claim more extreme warming.
Well apparently that is what the site is talking about and you are now talking about a red herring. You know damned well that was not the main points of the site. But you must ignore that science becasue it is in deirect opposition to your blind belief. so here we have another example of avoidance.
Oh they had record setting cold last summer amd this was more than one province. Also Alaska and I believe North Dakota. I can look it up for ya if ya like.
Popular Technology.net: Global Cooling in 2008
I choose option C.
I do, too. Presenting this as an either / or proposition is both misleading and disingeuous. The entire case for AGW rests on cherry picking data, ignoring data and rigging results. To say that we must act now or die is ridiculous.
The Earth is to man as the dog is to the flea. Men arguing about how to best determine the future of the planet is like fleas arguing about which way the dog is going to run.
Then why does your false prophet Hansen state that 2008 was the coolest since 2000.
Thou who speakest with forked tongue be the dishonest one.
Di you bother to chick out all the links on that site about snow caving in roofs, all the record breaking lows, about Giselles freezing to death in Tibet, etc. etc. etc. etc.
