China's thrilled: Obama to Ax going to moon and developed Rockets to take us there

[American Horse]

And if he said he was going to expand the space program, you'd all be bitching about that.

Not the case at all. In my case and I'm quite sure that of those who can readily see the potential of exploration would see him as finally having done SOMETHING right. That would actually manifest itself as more forbearance rather than intolerance, and I for one would be more inclined to see him as having some common sense.

forbearance: the [f]act of deliberately not doing or saying something when you could do or say it

 

[Xenophon]

For 40+ years there has been this false statement that its either money for NASA or the poor.

We all know its a lie, so stop the bullshit that you assclown barryworshipers suddenly give a shit about the budget, nobody is buying it.

BTW, if the bunch of you together had half a functioning brain you'd realize a space program CREATES jobs and prosperity.

So naturally Barry will cancel and funnel the money into some worthless cause like the study of dung beetles lodged up his ass.

 

[American Horse]

For 40+ years there has been this false statement that its either money for NASA or the poor.

We all know its a lie, so stop the bullshit that you assclown barryworshipers suddenly give a shit about the budget, nobody is buying it.

BTW, if the bunch of you together had half a functioning brain you'd realize a space program CREATES jobs and prosperity.

So naturally Barry will cancel and funnel the money into some worthless cause like the study of dung beetles lodged up his ass.

Like building a "Turtle Tunnel" just a few miles from Kennedy Space Cenrter in Florida will give those who lose their jobs an alternative vision of something productive to do ... when their jobs go away.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

My God this administration is becoming more of a national disaster everyday. He's cutting funding for these NASA programs and has actually ordered them to focus and spend more of their funding on proving his "Global Warming" fantasy really exists. Why did people vote for this guy again? Yikes!

 

[Navy1960]

I've debated this topic of manned space flight with more than a few of you on here and the decision on the Constellation program comes as no suiprise. With this program being cancelled and the shuttles last flight later on this year, not only will this nations several billion dollar investment in the International Space Station be COMPLETELY dependent on Russia and other nations to take us there it will also mean the loss of tens of thousands of jobs in a time where this President is trying to make the case that jobs are his priority. What people tend to forget unlike during the Apollo era our nations security is dependent on its ability to have manned space flight capabilites . If you do not believe that then next time you turn on the TV set or you GPS keep in mind it took space flight to make that work. One more issue on the moon program itself, unlike most Govt. programs that have little side benefit in terms of money spent. NASA who's budget is less than the Department of Education manned moon mission have spun many industries as well as benefits for mankind.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Poor NASA. Now they have now been ordered to become "Global Warming" Boot-Lickers by this inept administration. Killing programs to spend more time & money on "Global Warming?" Yikes! Just like everything else this administration touches,NASA will now be destroyed. What a national tragedy.

 

[Jay Canuck]

what is going on up on the moon that is so important that the U.S has to go back?

 

[American Horse]

what is going on up on the moon that is so important that the U.S has to go back?

A base of operations and natural resources with a very shallow gravity well. With infrastructure in place launches could be made from a grav-train to put materials that are far rarer on earth into lunar or earth orbit for use there or more distant locations and for fuel, or produce air or water. It would serve mankind as a mine and as natural harbor for journeys further in space, a natural satellite for a space faring civilization.

NASA - Why The Moon?

Space: The Road To Mars: Why Go Back to the Moon?

Some want to go directly on to Mars, but that's a lot like an ancient Mediterranean power sailing out into the Atlantic and on to America. It never happened, because there was too much to learn about navigation in unfamiliar waters. We need to get some "deep space" experience.

Carl Sagan said: "All civilizations become either spacefaring or extinct."

 

[Oldandtired]

what is going on up on the moon that is so important that the U.S has to go back?

For forty years...nothing...thus why we did not go back.
However, we have advanced technologically over those 40 years and now have the technology to capitalize on a near zero gravity environment for exploration and developmental purposes.

I know...a bit too intense for you to comprehend. You just want to know what time Sponge Bob is on today.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

He's in the process of turning NASA into a bunch of "Global Warming" Butt-Sniffers. This funding will now be shifted to being spent on proving him and Gore's Global Warming fantasy. Poor NASA. Everything this guy touches immediately turns to chit. How sad.

 

[rightwinger]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay Canuck
what is going on up on the moon that is so important that the U.S has to go back?
For forty years...nothing...thus why we did not go back.
However, we have advanced technologically over those 40 years and now have the technology to capitalize on a near zero gravity environment for exploration and developmental purposes.

I have still not seen tangible proof from NASA to justify a human presence on the moon.

Money is tight, we are in a recession, $12 Trillion deficit

And we want to spend money we don't have to vacation on the moon? Been there....done that

 

[LibocalypseNow]

He is not ending any funding. He is merely shifting this funding to be spent on proving him and Gore's Global Warming fantasy. Basically he's turning NASA into a bunch of Global Warming Butt-Sniffers. This way he can come back in a couple of years and boast about how NASA has proven his Global Warming fantasy to be true. It's all just a game. Wake up peeps.

 

[Navy1960]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay Canuck
what is going on up on the moon that is so important that the U.S has to go back?
For forty years...nothing...thus why we did not go back.
However, we have advanced technologically over those 40 years and now have the technology to capitalize on a near zero gravity environment for exploration and developmental purposes.

I have still not seen tangible proof from NASA to justify a human presence on the moon.

Money is tight, we are in a recession, $12 Trillion deficit

And we want to spend money we don't have to vacation on the moon? Been there....done that

Yet on the same day the President in Tampa, commits 8 billion dollars in funding for high speed rail that has a terrible record of existing off the tax payer, Amtrak comes to mind.

When the United States gives up on technology and programs that keep our nation in the lead in terms of space exploration and rocket science we have raised the white flag to other nations and admit we not longer wish to be the best. As for the moon itself, want to know why there is a good reason for going there..

Helium-3 (He-3) is a light, non-radioactive isotope of helium with two protons and one neutron. It is rare on Earth, and is sought for use in nuclear fusion research. The abundance of helium-3 is thought to be greater on the Moon (embedded in the upper layer of regolith by the solar wind over billions of years) and the solar system's gas giants (left over from the original solar nebula), though still low in quantity (28 ppm of lunar regolith is helium-4 and 0.01 ppm is helium-3).[1]

The helion, the nucleus of a helium-3 atom, consists of two protons but only one neutron, in contrast to two neutrons in ordinary helium. Its existence was first proposed in 1934 by the Australian nuclear physicist Mark Oliphant while based at Cambridge University's Cavendish Laboratory, in an experiment in which fast deuterons were reacted with other deuteron targets (the first demonstration of nuclear fusion).[2] Helium-3, as an isotope, was postulated to be radioactive, until helions from it were accidentally identified as a trace "contaminant" in a sample of natural helium (which is mostly helium-4) from a gas well, by Luis W. Alvarez and Robert Cornog in a cyclotron experiment at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, in 1939.[3] The presence of helium-3 in underground gas deposits implied that it either did not decay or had an extremely long half-life compatible with a primordial isotope.

Helium-3 is proposed as a second-generation fusion fuel for fusion power uses. Tritium decays into helium-3 with a 12 year half-life. Tritium produced for other uses evolves helium-3 which can be recovered. Irradiation of lithium in a nuclear reactor — either a fusion or fission reactor — can also produce tritium, and helium-3 after decay.


When we give up on the potential for FUTURE power needs we are ready to depend on other nations for it and have placed the handcuffs of economic slavery on future generations for our short sighted vision. right, we have talked about this issue in terms of the Budget itself and you know as well as I that NASA's budget is one of the smallest for a department in the overall Federal Budget and in terms of the return on the investment as opposed to say High Speed Rail the you get a lot more than your monies worth.

Liberal is quite correct that NASA has been re-tasked in it's budget to scientific study of near earth climate change matters rather than long range space exploration. Even though the budget has been raised an additional 1 billion dollars a year, that money will NOT go to the development of a heavy lift rocket such as the ARES V but rather it will go to what I posted above and looking for private ventures as well as foreign ventures to do it for us. Thats called OUTSOURCING!!!!! In case your wondering, the two private ventures that have had the most success are Rocket X and Virgin Galactic both of which have ZERO capablity for heavy lift and are no where near able to support the needs of NASA for many many years , so that leaves, China and Russia and France to do our work for us. Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that people would be supportive of a policy that is not only dangereous to national security but also costs American Jobs by the thousands.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

It's all about their Global Warming fantasy in the end. He is now ordering NASA to tow the party-line and start pushing his Global Warming scam. Tax Dollars will now be diverted and dedicated to "proving" their scam is real. What a shame. Some really fantastic programs are now going to be killed as a result of these new orders. Poor NASA.

 

[Navy1960]

In their place, according to White House insiders, agency officials, industry executives and congressional sources familiar with Obama's long-awaited plans for the space agency, NASA will look at developing a new "heavy-lift" rocket that one day will take humans and robots to explore beyond low Earth orbit. But that day will be years — possibly even a decade or more — away.

In the meantime, the White House will direct NASA to concentrate on Earth-science projects — principally, researching and monitoring climate change — and on a new technology research and development program that will one day make human exploration of asteroids and the inner solar system possible.

There will also be funding for private companies to develop capsules and rockets that can be used as space taxis to take astronauts on fixed-price contracts to and from the International Space Station — a major change in the way the agency has done business for the past 50 years.
White House insiders say Obama budget axes Constellation program, plan to return astronauts to the moon - OrlandoSentinel.com

 

[Murf76]

Progressives are nothing if not stupid.
Why hold onto a technological advantage if we can give it to China instead? ...Sheesh!

Although most people today will never set foot on the moon, everyone likely comes in contact with a NASA by-product every day. Partnering with various research teams and companies, NASA continues to spawn a vast array of new technologies and products that have improved our daily lives. Basic steps in health, safety, communications and even casual entertainment find their ro*ots in the government branch commonly associated with rocket ships and floating people. In fact, NASA has filed more than 6,300 patents with the U.S. government [source: NASA Scientific and Technical Information].

HowStuffWorks "10 NASA Inventions You Might Use Every Day"

 

[LibocalypseNow]

"Foget da Mooon! Gotta studi dat "Globall Worming!!" Sums up the average Hopey Changey loon no? How sad.

 

[Navy1960]

Do you know what I really find sad about this, and perhaps it is because of my background and age. That my daughter will NEVER know the sense of pride I had when our nation first set foot on the moon and how as a nation we all felt proud of our accomplishment. Perhaps in this day and age thats out of style but that singualr sense of purpose in that one moment really meant something. It is a shame that so many are willing just to cast aside one of the things that IMHO made this nation great and that is our sense of discovery.

 

[mudwhistle]

Obama doesn't want us to endeavor in any missions that show America can do something nobody else can.

He however wants to lead us down the path of ruin with his Green Jobs programs and Global Warming policies.

 

[rightwinger]

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"Foget da Mooon! Gotta studi dat "Globall Worming!!" Sums up the average Hopey Changey loon no? How sad.

Lets see.....The moon is a barren wasteland with no life on it

6 Billion people inhabit the earth and will be affected by climate change.

Which should we study?