Child Sacrifice

[toastman]

and many israeli recruits take their oath at the place where jews killed their wives and slaughtered their children before they took turns killing themselves. they take their oaths at this place to honour these men and pray for their courage.

some courage.

YOu never cease to amaze me. Sheer stupidity in this post.

 

[Bloodrock44]

Um Nidal is one despicable mother.

Son's death was "best day of my life," says Palestinian mother - YouTube

Two interviews with mothers of Martyrs expressing their joy over the Martyrdom of their respective sons, one broadcast on the Hamas website, and the other on Arab News Network TV.
In the first interview with Um Nidal, she says that today is the best day of her life as her son becomes a Martyr, and if she had 100 children like her son, she would offer them to Allah as well. She states that while there is nothing more precious than children, for the sake of Allah, what is precious becomes cheap.
The second interview is with a mother of a Martyr. She says that Jihad is a religious obligation and that it would have been wrong to try to change her son's mind. She put her motherly feelings aside for a greater cause because she wanted the best for her son, and she chose eternal bliss in the Afterlife for him. As much as her living children honor her, she states that they are incomparable to the honor that her martyred son showed her.

Transcription:
Um Nidal, mother of terrorist, before sending her son to carry out a terror attack:
"How do I feel, as I promise my son Paradise, and as I offer something (my son) for Allah? By Allah, today is the best day of my life. I feel that our Lord is pleased with me, because I am offering something (my son) to His sake. I wish to offer more [sons] for Allah's forgiveness, and for the flag [of Islam], "There is no god but Allah," to fly over Palestine. That's what we want. We want the rule of Islam. I'm not parting from him [as he goes] to his death, but rather I'm parting from him as he goes to a better life, the Afterlife, which our Lord has promised us. By Allah, if I had 100 children like [my son] Muhammad, I would offer them with sincerity and willingly. It's true that there's nothing more precious than children, but for the sake of Allah, what is precious becomes cheap.
[Hamas website, January 1, 2006]

Another mother of a terrorist, in an interview after her son murdered four Israeli teenagers:
"I gave my son to Jihad for Allah. It's our religious obligation. If I wanted to have compassion for him, or to make him change his mind, it would be wrong, a mistake. I don't want to be guided by my feelings, a mother's feelings. I put them aside for a while for something greater, although a mother's feelings are involved. Why? Because I love my son, and I want to choose the best for him, and the best is not life in this world. For us there is an Afterlife, the eternal bliss. So if I love my son, I'll choose eternal bliss for him. As much as my living children honor me, it will not be like the honor that the Martyr has given me. He will be our intercessor on the Day of Resurrection. What more can I ask for? Allah willing, the Lord will promise us Paradise. That's the best I can hope for. The greatest honor [my son] gave me was his Martyrdom."
[Arab News Network TV, March 2002]
If she had 100 children like her son, she would offer them to Allah? As I have said time after time, it's no different than if she laid them on an altar dedicated to Baal and slit their throats! This is proof positive that Palestinians practice child sacrifice!

I would suggest that this might be an interesting topic for anothr thread as it has nothing to do with Helen Thomas. Having said that a simple question

Are the Israeli people a dispicaple people and do they practice child sacrifice when they send teir sons into the IDF and when they honor their war dead !!!

Was my mom despicable because she sent me off to the American army and we honor our war dead? How ludicrous. It's one thing to send your son off to join a country's established army and another thing to strap a bomb on your son and instruct him to go kill Jews for Allah or Baal or the moon god or whomever. The woman is admitting she offered her son to Allah. That my friend is child sacrifice. She may as well had put him on an altar and slit his throat.

this country's army was formed and manned by rebel patriots who fought the occupying british by any and all means necessary, often at the expense of their own lives.

i would fight for the freedoms provided to me and my child and our children by this country, established military or not. it is sad that you wouldn't.

my son is serving and, should he be killed, i would offer his soul to the diety of his choice or the universe.

What the Hell are you slobbering about? I fought and my son is serving too. Please thank your son for his service.

 

[Hossfly]

Um Nidal is one despicable mother.

Son's death was "best day of my life," says Palestinian mother - YouTube

Two interviews with mothers of Martyrs expressing their joy over the Martyrdom of their respective sons, one broadcast on the Hamas website, and the other on Arab News Network TV.
In the first interview with Um Nidal, she says that today is the best day of her life as her son becomes a Martyr, and if she had 100 children like her son, she would offer them to Allah as well. She states that while there is nothing more precious than children, for the sake of Allah, what is precious becomes cheap.
The second interview is with a mother of a Martyr. She says that Jihad is a religious obligation and that it would have been wrong to try to change her son's mind. She put her motherly feelings aside for a greater cause because she wanted the best for her son, and she chose eternal bliss in the Afterlife for him. As much as her living children honor her, she states that they are incomparable to the honor that her martyred son showed her.

Transcription:
Um Nidal, mother of terrorist, before sending her son to carry out a terror attack:
"How do I feel, as I promise my son Paradise, and as I offer something (my son) for Allah? By Allah, today is the best day of my life. I feel that our Lord is pleased with me, because I am offering something (my son) to His sake. I wish to offer more [sons] for Allah's forgiveness, and for the flag [of Islam], "There is no god but Allah," to fly over Palestine. That's what we want. We want the rule of Islam. I'm not parting from him [as he goes] to his death, but rather I'm parting from him as he goes to a better life, the Afterlife, which our Lord has promised us. By Allah, if I had 100 children like [my son] Muhammad, I would offer them with sincerity and willingly. It's true that there's nothing more precious than children, but for the sake of Allah, what is precious becomes cheap.
[Hamas website, January 1, 2006]

Another mother of a terrorist, in an interview after her son murdered four Israeli teenagers:
"I gave my son to Jihad for Allah. It's our religious obligation. If I wanted to have compassion for him, or to make him change his mind, it would be wrong, a mistake. I don't want to be guided by my feelings, a mother's feelings. I put them aside for a while for something greater, although a mother's feelings are involved. Why? Because I love my son, and I want to choose the best for him, and the best is not life in this world. For us there is an Afterlife, the eternal bliss. So if I love my son, I'll choose eternal bliss for him. As much as my living children honor me, it will not be like the honor that the Martyr has given me. He will be our intercessor on the Day of Resurrection. What more can I ask for? Allah willing, the Lord will promise us Paradise. That's the best I can hope for. The greatest honor [my son] gave me was his Martyrdom."
[Arab News Network TV, March 2002]
If she had 100 children like her son, she would offer them to Allah? As I have said time after time, it's no different than if she laid them on an altar dedicated to Baal and slit their throats! This is proof positive that Palestinians practice child sacrifice!

I would suggest that this might be an interesting topic for anothr thread as it has nothing to do with Helen Thomas. Having said that a simple question

Are the Israeli people a dispicaple people and do they practice child sacrifice when they send teir sons into the IDF and when they honor their war dead !!!

Was my mom despicable because she sent me off to the American army and we honor our war dead? How ludicrous. It's one thing to send your son off to join a country's established army and another thing to strap a bomb on your son and instruct him to go kill Jews for Allah or Baal or the moon god or whomever. The woman is admitting she offered her son to Allah. That my friend is child sacrifice. She may as well had put him on an altar and slit his throat.

this country's army was formed and manned by rebel patriots who fought the occupying british by any and all means necessary, often at the expense of their own lives.

i would fight for the freedoms provided to me and my child and our children by this country, established military or not. it is sad that you wouldn't.

my son is serving and, should he be killed, i would offer his soul to the diety of his choice or the universe.

Bloodrock spent a career in the Army and his son is serving so why would he not fight for freedom? That's a false statement.

 

[Hossfly]

Israel must not force people into military service - YouTube

What does this have to do with the OP, or the price of tomatoes in Japan?

There is conscription in many countries of the world, but since these countries don't involve the Jews, eots isn't concerned. And, let's face it. Eots feels that if the Israelis didn't have a defense force, his Arab friends could run right over the country, and this he would love to see. In fact, he would probably arrange for a free concert with his band to play for the Arab victors. Whether they would like the type of music his band plays is debatable.

 

[sealadaigh]

and many israeli recruits take their oath at the place where jews killed their wives and slaughtered their children before they took turns killing themselves. they take their oaths at this place to honour these men and pray for their courage.

some courage.

I believe the Jews at Masada were surrounded by Romans and chose suicide rather that being captured and tortured. That's much different than strapping a bomb on your son and sending him to kill Jews for Allah.

they are killing jews because they are an occupying, colonialist power who kills them, and at a far greater rate. how many jews were killed by palestinians before the balfour declaration and the mass influx of zionists began stealing the land.

the jews men may have chosen suicide but their women and children did not. their deaths were decided in a kabalistic-like exchange among the jewish killers.

 

[eots]

Israel must not force people into military service - YouTube

What does this have to do with the OP, or the price of tomatoes in Japan?

I really wouldn't be surprised that if he was around during the time of the draft here, he would be one of those running up to Canada. In fact, during World War II, he would probably try to get classified as 4F instead of putting on the uniform of this country.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiWcDt8566g]What Are We Fighting For? Version 2.0 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[eots]

Israel must not force people into military service - YouTube

What does this have to do with the OP, or the price of tomatoes in Japan?

There is conscription in many countries of the world, but since these countries don't involve the Jews, eots isn't concerned. And, let's face it. Eots feels that if the Israelis didn't have a defense force, his Arab friends could run right over the country, and this he would love to see. In fact, he would probably arrange for a free concert with his band to play for the Arab victors. Whether they would like the type of music his band plays is debatable.

THEY WOULD TOTALLY DIG MY FAT BEATS...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJI6y5KlXJ8]Doob Jao Pyar Mein - music by the EOTS - YouTube[/ame]

 

[sealadaigh]

Um Nidal is one despicable mother.

Son's death was "best day of my life," says Palestinian mother - YouTube

Two interviews with mothers of Martyrs expressing their joy over the Martyrdom of their respective sons, one broadcast on the Hamas website, and the other on Arab News Network TV.
In the first interview with Um Nidal, she says that today is the best day of her life as her son becomes a Martyr, and if she had 100 children like her son, she would offer them to Allah as well. She states that while there is nothing more precious than children, for the sake of Allah, what is precious becomes cheap.
The second interview is with a mother of a Martyr. She says that Jihad is a religious obligation and that it would have been wrong to try to change her son's mind. She put her motherly feelings aside for a greater cause because she wanted the best for her son, and she chose eternal bliss in the Afterlife for him. As much as her living children honor her, she states that they are incomparable to the honor that her martyred son showed her.

Transcription:
Um Nidal, mother of terrorist, before sending her son to carry out a terror attack:
"How do I feel, as I promise my son Paradise, and as I offer something (my son) for Allah? By Allah, today is the best day of my life. I feel that our Lord is pleased with me, because I am offering something (my son) to His sake. I wish to offer more [sons] for Allah's forgiveness, and for the flag [of Islam], "There is no god but Allah," to fly over Palestine. That's what we want. We want the rule of Islam. I'm not parting from him [as he goes] to his death, but rather I'm parting from him as he goes to a better life, the Afterlife, which our Lord has promised us. By Allah, if I had 100 children like [my son] Muhammad, I would offer them with sincerity and willingly. It's true that there's nothing more precious than children, but for the sake of Allah, what is precious becomes cheap.
[Hamas website, January 1, 2006]

Another mother of a terrorist, in an interview after her son murdered four Israeli teenagers:
"I gave my son to Jihad for Allah. It's our religious obligation. If I wanted to have compassion for him, or to make him change his mind, it would be wrong, a mistake. I don't want to be guided by my feelings, a mother's feelings. I put them aside for a while for something greater, although a mother's feelings are involved. Why? Because I love my son, and I want to choose the best for him, and the best is not life in this world. For us there is an Afterlife, the eternal bliss. So if I love my son, I'll choose eternal bliss for him. As much as my living children honor me, it will not be like the honor that the Martyr has given me. He will be our intercessor on the Day of Resurrection. What more can I ask for? Allah willing, the Lord will promise us Paradise. That's the best I can hope for. The greatest honor [my son] gave me was his Martyrdom."
[Arab News Network TV, March 2002]
If she had 100 children like her son, she would offer them to Allah? As I have said time after time, it's no different than if she laid them on an altar dedicated to Baal and slit their throats! This is proof positive that Palestinians practice child sacrifice!

I would suggest that this might be an interesting topic for anothr thread as it has nothing to do with Helen Thomas. Having said that a simple question

Are the Israeli people a dispicaple people and do they practice child sacrifice when they send teir sons into the IDF and when they honor their war dead !!!

Was my mom despicable because she sent me off to the American army and we honor our war dead? How ludicrous. It's one thing to send your son off to join a country's established army and another thing to strap a bomb on your son and instruct him to go kill Jews for Allah or Baal or the moon god or whomever. The woman is admitting she offered her son to Allah. That my friend is child sacrifice. She may as well had put him on an altar and slit his throat.

this country's army was formed and manned by rebel patriots who fought the occupying british by any and all means necessary, often at the expense of their own lives.

i would fight for the freedoms provided to me and my child and our children by this country, established military or not. it is sad that you wouldn't.

my son is serving and, should he be killed, i would offer his soul to the diety of his choice or the universe.

Bloodrock spent a career in the Army and his son is serving so why would he not fight for freedom? That's a false statement.

then perhaps he should revise his original statement instead of portraying those who fought the british soldiers before 14 june, 1775 as somehow less worthy than those who fought after that date.

personally, i would say those rebel patriot warriors served above and beyond the call of duty at a time prior to when there was even a call to duty. the call to duty prior to the aforementioned date was the love of liberty in their hearts.

i also served and my son does as well. one of the first things i was taught was to respect my enemy as they are no different than i.

 

[Bloodrock44]

this country's army was formed and manned by rebel patriots who fought the occupying british by any and all means necessary, often at the expense of their own lives.

i would fight for the freedoms provided to me and my child and our children by this country, established military or not. it is sad that you wouldn't.

my son is serving and, should he be killed, i would offer his soul to the diety of his choice or the universe.

Bloodrock spent a career in the Army and his son is serving so why would he not fight for freedom? That's a false statement.

then perhaps he should revise his original statement instead of portraying those who fought the british soldiers before 14 june, 1775 as somehow less worthy than those who fought after that date.

personally, i would say those rebel patriot warriors served above and beyond the call of duty at a time prior to when there was even a call to duty. the call to duty prior to the aforementioned date was the love of liberty in their hearts.

i also served and my son does as well. one of the first things i was taught was to respect my enemy as they are no different than i.

My reference to an established army was the Israeli army numbnuts. Where in the world did you get that I was speaking of the American army? Good God.

 

[sealadaigh]

Bloodrock spent a career in the Army and his son is serving so why would he not fight for freedom? That's a false statement.

then perhaps he should revise his original statement instead of portraying those who fought the british soldiers before 14 june, 1775 as somehow less worthy than those who fought after that date.

personally, i would say those rebel patriot warriors served above and beyond the call of duty at a time prior to when there was even a call to duty. the call to duty prior to the aforementioned date was the love of liberty in their hearts.

i also served and my son does as well. one of the first things i was taught was to respect my enemy as they are no different than i.

My reference to an established army was the Israeli army numbnuts. Where in the world did you get that I was speaking of the American army? Good God.

i apologise. i have dificulty presuming the mind of a bigot. to me an established army is an established army regardless of race, colour, creed...all the good stuff, and a guerilla fighter for his peoples freedom is just that and i also fail to make the distinction between them based upon the above good stuff.

bigots never seem to have trouble with specifics. they only seem to have trouble when the concepts behind the specifics are brought into play.

a mother is proud that her son offered his life for the freedom of his, and her, people. beyond that, there is little else. the justness of the cause and the ways and means are a completely seperate issue.

the only reason you brought up um nidal is to demonise the palestinians, and particularly palestinian mothers. there was absolutely no other reason.

i would never criticise baruch goldstein's mother for being proud of her son.

 

[Hossfly]

What does this have to do with the OP, or the price of tomatoes in Japan?

There is conscription in many countries of the world, but since these countries don't involve the Jews, eots isn't concerned. And, let's face it. Eots feels that if the Israelis didn't have a defense force, his Arab friends could run right over the country, and this he would love to see. In fact, he would probably arrange for a free concert with his band to play for the Arab victors. Whether they would like the type of music his band plays is debatable.

THEY WOULD TOTALLY DIG MY FAT BEATS...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJI6y5KlXJ8]Doob Jao Pyar Mein - music by the EOTS - YouTube[/ame]

Are you kidding? Either they would be throwing falafel at you and booing or the authorities would throw you in jail for disturbing the peace.

 

[Hossfly]

and many israeli recruits take their oath at the place where jews killed their wives and slaughtered their children before they took turns killing themselves. they take their oaths at this place to honour these men and pray for their courage.

some courage.

I believe the Jews at Masada were surrounded by Romans and chose suicide rather that being captured and tortured. That's much different than strapping a bomb on your son and sending him to kill Jews for Allah.

they are killing jews because they are an occupying, colonialist power who kills them, and at a far greater rate. how many jews were killed by palestinians before the balfour declaration and the mass influx of zionists began stealing the land.

the jews men may have chosen suicide but their women and children did not. their deaths were decided in a kabalistic-like exchange among the jewish killers.

So tell us, Seal, why there are so many suicide bombings in places like Iraq and Pakistan? Could it be because one Muslim sect hates the other sect? Has anyone ever learned in their history class that Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boy were targeting civilians?

 

[Hossfly]

this country's army was formed and manned by rebel patriots who fought the occupying british by any and all means necessary, often at the expense of their own lives.

i would fight for the freedoms provided to me and my child and our children by this country, established military or not. it is sad that you wouldn't.

my son is serving and, should he be killed, i would offer his soul to the diety of his choice or the universe.

Bloodrock spent a career in the Army and his son is serving so why would he not fight for freedom? That's a false statement.

then perhaps he should revise his original statement instead of portraying those who fought the british soldiers before 14 june, 1775 as somehow less worthy than those who fought after that date.

personally, i would say those rebel patriot warriors served above and beyond the call of duty at a time prior to when there was even a call to duty. the call to duty prior to the aforementioned date was the love of liberty in their hearts.

i also served and my son does as well. one of the first things i was taught was to respect my enemy as they are no different than i.

That's right, Seal. The American patriots respected their enemies by not targeting the civilians. Can anyone picture the early Americans convincing their children to strap a bomb belt on themselves to become a suicide bomber for the purpose of taking out British civilians (and even British soldiers)?

 

[Bloodrock44]

then perhaps he should revise his original statement instead of portraying those who fought the british soldiers before 14 june, 1775 as somehow less worthy than those who fought after that date.

personally, i would say those rebel patriot warriors served above and beyond the call of duty at a time prior to when there was even a call to duty. the call to duty prior to the aforementioned date was the love of liberty in their hearts.

i also served and my son does as well. one of the first things i was taught was to respect my enemy as they are no different than i.

My reference to an established army was the Israeli army numbnuts. Where in the world did you get that I was speaking of the American army? Good God.

i apologise. i have dificulty presuming the mind of a bigot. to me an established army is an established army regardless of race, colour, creed...all the good stuff, and a guerilla fighter for his peoples freedom is just that and i also fail to make the distinction between them based upon the above good stuff.

bigots never seem to have trouble with specifics. they only seem to have trouble when the concepts behind the specifics are brought into play.

a mother is proud that her son offered his life for the freedom of his, and her, people. beyond that, there is little else. the justness of the cause and the ways and means are a completely seperate issue.

the only reason you brought up um nidal is to demonise the palestinians, and particularly palestinian mothers. there was absolutely no other reason.

i would never criticise baruch goldstein's mother for being proud of her son.

I brought her up because she is quoted as saying she offered her son as a sacrifice to Allah. Can't you read? And you don't have a problem with that? All you can do is deflect and blame the Jews and call people bigots because you can't admit that the people you support are a bunch of cowardly animals that have no honor when it comes to fighting for a cause? You can't face the enemy like men so you murder their children? And don't go on your whine that they only have sticks and stones to fight with. They are yellow bellied cowardly Cretans and that's why I can't stand them It has nothing to do with race or religion.

 

[toastman]

My reference to an established army was the Israeli army numbnuts. Where in the world did you get that I was speaking of the American army? Good God.

i apologise. i have dificulty presuming the mind of a bigot. to me an established army is an established army regardless of race, colour, creed...all the good stuff, and a guerilla fighter for his peoples freedom is just that and i also fail to make the distinction between them based upon the above good stuff.

bigots never seem to have trouble with specifics. they only seem to have trouble when the concepts behind the specifics are brought into play.

a mother is proud that her son offered his life for the freedom of his, and her, people. beyond that, there is little else. the justness of the cause and the ways and means are a completely seperate issue.

the only reason you brought up um nidal is to demonise the palestinians, and particularly palestinian mothers. there was absolutely no other reason.

i would never criticise baruch goldstein's mother for being proud of her son.

I brought her up because she is quoted as saying she offered her son as a sacrifice to Allah. Can't you read? And you don't have a problem with that? All you can do is deflect and blame the Jews and call people bigots because you can't admit that the people you support are a bunch of cowardly animals that have no honor when it comes to fighting for a cause? You can't face the enemy like men so you murder their children? And don't go on your whine that they only have sticks and stones to fight with. They are yellow bellied cowardly Cretans and that's why I can't stand them It has nothing to do with race or religion.

Well said Bloodrock !

 

[Roudy]

and a large portion of israeli society still worships baruch goldstein, who went into a mosque and gunned down dozens of people as they worshipped.

Link for that bullshit remark?

 

[Roudy]

and many israeli recruits take their oath at the place where jews killed their wives and slaughtered their children before they took turns killing themselves. they take their oaths at this place to honour these men and pray for their courage.

some courage.

So your comparing a battle fought similar to the Alamo thousands of years ago by Jews, to the culture of suicide bombing, terror, and child sacrifice that is prevalent in Palestinian culture. Wow. What a load of lies and crap that is.

 

[Bloodrock44]

i apologise. i have dificulty presuming the mind of a bigot. to me an established army is an established army regardless of race, colour, creed...all the good stuff, and a guerilla fighter for his peoples freedom is just that and i also fail to make the distinction between them based upon the above good stuff.

bigots never seem to have trouble with specifics. they only seem to have trouble when the concepts behind the specifics are brought into play.

a mother is proud that her son offered his life for the freedom of his, and her, people. beyond that, there is little else. the justness of the cause and the ways and means are a completely seperate issue.

the only reason you brought up um nidal is to demonise the palestinians, and particularly palestinian mothers. there was absolutely no other reason.

i would never criticise baruch goldstein's mother for being proud of her son.

I brought her up because she is quoted as saying she offered her son as a sacrifice to Allah. Can't you read? And you don't have a problem with that? All you can do is deflect and blame the Jews and call people bigots because you can't admit that the people you support are a bunch of cowardly animals that have no honor when it comes to fighting for a cause? You can't face the enemy like men so you murder their children? And don't go on your whine that they only have sticks and stones to fight with. They are yellow bellied cowardly Cretans and that's why I can't stand them It has nothing to do with race or religion.

The biggest bigot accusing others of bigotry. It's part of being a Palestinian supporter and a rabid Jew hater, I guess.

Spot on! They think they can get away with calling us racists and bigots when they know very well that Jews and Arabs are BROTHERS! They both are the progeny of one man...Abraham. They are both Semites. If we are bigoted toward one, we'd have to be bigoted toward the other. Why can't they admit they are just plain Jew haters? I guess it's too much to expect honesty or integrity from them.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

and many israeli recruits take their oath at the place where jews killed their wives and slaughtered their children before they took turns killing themselves. they take their oaths at this place to honour these men and pray for their courage.

some courage.

So your comparing a battle fought similar to the Alamo thousands of years ago by Jews, to the culture of suicide bombing, terror, and child sacrifice that is prevalent in Palestinian culture. Wow. What a load of lies and crap that is.

The reason they take their oath at Masada is to show that something like Masada will never happen again. Before Masada, there were 3 rebellions against Rome, so ppl shouldn't think of Masada as an immediate surrender. Masada also proves that Jews are not "foreigners" to Israel, as Tinmore keeps saying. If some of these rabid anti-Semites would visit Israel only once in their lives, they would see that Israel is full of Jewish historical sites.

 

[Roudy]

and many israeli recruits take their oath at the place where jews killed their wives and slaughtered their children before they took turns killing themselves. they take their oaths at this place to honour these men and pray for their courage.

some courage.

So your comparing a battle fought similar to the Alamo thousands of years ago by Jews, to the culture of suicide bombing, terror, and child sacrifice that is prevalent in Palestinian culture. Wow. What a load of lies and crap that is.

The reason they take their oath at Masada is to show that something like Masada will never happen again. Before Masada, there were 3 rebellions against Rome, so ppl shouldn't think of Masada as an immediate surrender. Masada also proves that Jews are not "foreigners" to Israel, as Tinmore keeps saying. If some of these rabid anti-Semites would visit Israel only once in their lives, they would see that Israel is full of Jewish historical sites.

Yes, they keep putting their hoofs in their mouths. On one hand they'll tell you that Jews have no history in the land of Israel, and it all belongs to Arabs now, and in the same sentence they'll use a Jewish historical event and the archeological site that it happened on from thousands of years ago to prove a point. Ha ha ha.