Cherry-picking examples of socialist governments failing does not prove the concept is flawed

[westwall]

Like the OP said, there is no pure Democracy/Capitalism or Socialist Republic. They are all blends, just like there was never a pure Communism. There are workable Communist societies like China and Vietnam and oppressive ones like North Korea. It's corruption and big money that infiltrates all of these systems. It comes down to greed for money or power and usually both.

It is possible to have Capitalism and minimize the income disparity that usually results. It just requires the right tax system and government regulations. Rich people always want to keep their money, even if it is more than they and their children can spend in a lifetime. There will always be ignorant people that cannot be educated to do technical jobs. There will always be people caught in unfortunate situations. The government needs to provide a safety net for those people. The government needs to provide training in the trades for those that cannot achieve a college degree.

This is precisely why we need big government and high taxes on the top 1%. Income disparity is what tears a country apart and eventually causes civil war. We need big government to prevent income disparity and large parts of the population being impoverished. More and more of this will occur as menial jobs are automated.

This is why the Trump/GOP tax breaks for the rich are exactly the WRONG thing to be doing.

Sooooo, you consider the murder of 100 million people during the Cultural Revolution to be "workable". Is that correct?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Oh look, Billy posting the same thing over again, getting the definition of Socialism wrong, giving no citations because nothing supports his assertion, and ignoring that his claims have been debunked numerous other times previously.



Just watch the video.

World Happiness Report 2018

Why Denmark Is the Happiest Country

Alleged happiness in a location means absolutely nothing, and I'd also like to note that you did absolutely nothing whatsoever to debunk ANYTHING in the video, in fact you likely didn't watch the video, not to mention I've already pointed out issues in Denmark's economy. As expected of a Socialist, you don't actually want to debate, and you're not interested in learning, you only want to see what supposedly supports your false narrative, and block out anything else.

If Socialists were interested in learning, they'd have learned from the following failures:
Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Nazi Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Soviet Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

 

[westwall]

Oh look, Billy posting the same thing over again, getting the definition of Socialism wrong, giving no citations because nothing supports his assertion, and ignoring that his claims have been debunked numerous other times previously.



Just watch the video.

World Happiness Report 2018

Why Denmark Is the Happiest Country

So, a small country, with loads of OIL wealth to pay for their programs, has a happy populace. How unsurprising.

 

[Billy000]

Oh look, Billy posting the same thing over again, getting the definition of Socialism wrong, giving no citations because nothing supports his assertion, and ignoring that his claims have been debunked numerous other times previously.



Just watch the video.

World Happiness Report 2018

Why Denmark Is the Happiest Country

Alleged happiness in a location means absolutely nothing, and I'd also like to note that you did absolutely nothing whatsoever to debunk ANYTHING in the video, not to mention I've already pointed out issues in Denmark's economy. As expected of a Socialist, you don't actually want to debate, and you're not interested in learning, you only want to see what supposedly supports your false narrative, and block out anything else.

No country is perfect. Many verifiable facts make the US a flawed system.

If Socialists were interested in learning, they'd have learned from the following failures:
Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Nazi Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Soviet Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

I didn’t even watch the video. Why should I just watch some random video you post without giving me any info about it? What is in the video exactly?

No nation is perfect. The US is far from perfect economically speaking.

See with this failures list you’re getting ridiculous. You expect me to cite my sources yet you just make this list with absolutely no context? WTF? Thats stupid.

 

[westwall]

Oh look, Billy posting the same thing over again, getting the definition of Socialism wrong, giving no citations because nothing supports his assertion, and ignoring that his claims have been debunked numerous other times previously.



Just watch the video.

World Happiness Report 2018

Why Denmark Is the Happiest Country

Alleged happiness in a location means absolutely nothing, and I'd also like to note that you did absolutely nothing whatsoever to debunk ANYTHING in the video, not to mention I've already pointed out issues in Denmark's economy. As expected of a Socialist, you don't actually want to debate, and you're not interested in learning, you only want to see what supposedly supports your false narrative, and block out anything else.

If Socialists were interested in learning, they'd have learned from the following failures:
Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Nazi Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Soviet Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

I didn’t even watch the video. Why should I just watch some random video you post without giving me any info about it? What is in the video exactly?

See with this failures list you’re getting ridiculous. You expect me to cite my sources yet you just make this list with absolutely no context? WTF? Thats stupid.

Yes indeed. Why attempt to learn something. You got me. I no longer will pay any attention to your posts ever again. In fact i think you should be shunned by every other member as well. That way you will go away. You have just shown that you are too stupid, or too politically biased to try and carry on a discussion. So, piss off, troll.

 

[blackhawk]

For those who believe socialism is such a great thing instead of trying to turn America into a socialist country why not move to a country that is already socialist? You will have everything you say you want with no fight from anybody.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There will always be ignorant people that cannot be educated to do technical jobs. There will always be people caught in unfortunate situations. The government needs to provide a safety net for those people. The government needs to provide training in the trades for those that cannot achieve a college degree.

So if one cannot get through college, what makes you think they can get through trades training? That's besides the fact anybody can get a loan and receive this training on their own. That's not the problem. The problems are drugs and laziness because there are social programs to live off of.

On Friday I made a pickup at a place we frequently go to for our customers. The shipper was telling me how they can't find 11 workers badly needed for their growing steel business. The company had an orientation for new employees, and about 45 people showed up. The HR person started off by saying any applicants accepting the job will have to be drug tested. He said about 25 people got up and left the room. He went on further to say they use hair samples, and another 10 walked out.

According to him, the job starting pay is $15.50 per hour, and you quickly move up as you learn different processes to the $19.50 per hour wage plus benefits. They can't find qualified people to take these jobs, and it's happening all over this country.

This is precisely why we need big government and high taxes on the top 1%. Income disparity is what tears a country apart and eventually causes civil war.

If you want to take most of the money from the 1%, then what's the point of trying to be a 1%?

Every time you people on the left want goodies, just steal the money from those who made money. Sorry, but that's not the answer.

If the tax rate were 0%, the taxes collected would be 0 dollars. If the tax rate were 100%, the taxes collected would still be 0 dollars because who would be stupid enough to work?

"What is YOUR fair share of what somebody else worked for?"
Thomas Sowell

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the constitution that grants congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

What I would like to ask you Billy is what part of our socialist country is working well? Medicare? VA? Social Security, HUD, what????

They are all either going broke or crushing budgets to keep them alive. It's like what Margret Thatcher once said, Socialism is a great form of governance until you run out of other people's money.

But these people are so happy? Well, I'm sure some are. If you rob Peter to pay Paul, the Paul's of your society generally have no objection. Socialism or social programs didn't make this the greatest country on earth in just a little over 200 years, capitalism did that; the very idea of equal reward for equal investment.

The thing is, you and your ilk can move to any of these wonderful utopias anytime you like and try it out for a few years. If it's not what it was cracked up to be, you can always move back to the US........if your new country lets you.

But once you turn the US into just another one of them and find out it's a raw deal, there will be no other USA to move back to. It will be gone forever, and the great experiment ended.

Now ask yourself, where would our country be in terms of debt if we only adhered to Madison's words?

 

[Billy000]

Oh look, Billy posting the same thing over again, getting the definition of Socialism wrong, giving no citations because nothing supports his assertion, and ignoring that his claims have been debunked numerous other times previously.



Just watch the video.

World Happiness Report 2018

Why Denmark Is the Happiest Country

Alleged happiness in a location means absolutely nothing, and I'd also like to note that you did absolutely nothing whatsoever to debunk ANYTHING in the video, not to mention I've already pointed out issues in Denmark's economy. As expected of a Socialist, you don't actually want to debate, and you're not interested in learning, you only want to see what supposedly supports your false narrative, and block out anything else.

If Socialists were interested in learning, they'd have learned from the following failures:
Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Nazi Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Soviet Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

I didn’t even watch the video. Why should I just watch some random video you post without giving me any info about it? What is in the video exactly?

See with this failures list you’re getting ridiculous. You expect me to cite my sources yet you just make this list with absolutely no context? WTF? Thats stupid.

Yes indeed. Why attempt to learn something. You got me. I no longer will pay any attention to your posts ever again. In fact i think you should be shunned by every other member as well. That way you will go away. You have just shown that you are too stupid, or too politically biased to try and carry on a discussion. So, piss off, troll.

I’m the OP. You expect me to indulge every post that contradicts my position? Do you know how many RWs post on this forum? If she summarized the video, I would be more interested in the argument. Otherwise, I have t he selective.

 

[westwall]

Oh look, Billy posting the same thing over again, getting the definition of Socialism wrong, giving no citations because nothing supports his assertion, and ignoring that his claims have been debunked numerous other times previously.



Just watch the video.

World Happiness Report 2018

Why Denmark Is the Happiest Country

Alleged happiness in a location means absolutely nothing, and I'd also like to note that you did absolutely nothing whatsoever to debunk ANYTHING in the video, not to mention I've already pointed out issues in Denmark's economy. As expected of a Socialist, you don't actually want to debate, and you're not interested in learning, you only want to see what supposedly supports your false narrative, and block out anything else.

If Socialists were interested in learning, they'd have learned from the following failures:
Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Nazi Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Soviet Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

I didn’t even watch the video. Why should I just watch some random video you post without giving me any info about it? What is in the video exactly?

See with this failures list you’re getting ridiculous. You expect me to cite my sources yet you just make this list with absolutely no context? WTF? Thats stupid.

Yes indeed. Why attempt to learn something. You got me. I no longer will pay any attention to your posts ever again. In fact i think you should be shunned by every other member as well. That way you will go away. You have just shown that you are too stupid, or too politically biased to try and carry on a discussion. So, piss off, troll.

I’m the OP. You expect me to indulge every post that contradicts my position? Do you know how many RWs post on this forum? If she summarized the video, I would be more interested in the argument. Otherwise, I have t he selective.

No, I expect you to try and learn. Instead all you care about is spewing your bullshit all over the Board. You have zero interest in discussing anything. You merely want to talk AT people and you don't care about their opinions. So fuck you, that is the mark of a troll. I despise trolls.

 

[Billy000]

World Happiness Report 2018

Why Denmark Is the Happiest Country

Alleged happiness in a location means absolutely nothing, and I'd also like to note that you did absolutely nothing whatsoever to debunk ANYTHING in the video, not to mention I've already pointed out issues in Denmark's economy. As expected of a Socialist, you don't actually want to debate, and you're not interested in learning, you only want to see what supposedly supports your false narrative, and block out anything else.

If Socialists were interested in learning, they'd have learned from the following failures:
Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Nazi Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Soviet Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

I didn’t even watch the video. Why should I just watch some random video you post without giving me any info about it? What is in the video exactly?

See with this failures list you’re getting ridiculous. You expect me to cite my sources yet you just make this list with absolutely no context? WTF? Thats stupid.

Yes indeed. Why attempt to learn something. You got me. I no longer will pay any attention to your posts ever again. In fact i think you should be shunned by every other member as well. That way you will go away. You have just shown that you are too stupid, or too politically biased to try and carry on a discussion. So, piss off, troll.

I’m the OP. You expect me to indulge every post that contradicts my position? Do you know how many RWs post on this forum? If she summarized the video, I would be more interested in the argument. Otherwise, I have t he selective.

No, I expect you to try and learn. Instead all you care about is spewing your bullshit all over the Board. You have zero interest in discussing anything. You merely want to talk AT people and you don't care about their opinions. So fuck you, that is the mark of a troll. I despise trolls.

I’m not a troll just because I get under your skin.

 

[whitehall]

Using the collapse of the former Soviet Union as an example of failed socialism is considered "cherry picking"? North Korea is pretty much a shining example of a Marxist country gone insane. Is that "cherry picking" too? Actually it's good for the Country when radical left (and the democrat party?) finally quits the smoke and mirrors and comes out of the closet to defend socialism. It gives Americans a clear choice in the election booth.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Alleged happiness in a location means absolutely nothing, and I'd also like to note that you did absolutely nothing whatsoever to debunk ANYTHING in the video, not to mention I've already pointed out issues in Denmark's economy. As expected of a Socialist, you don't actually want to debate, and you're not interested in learning, you only want to see what supposedly supports your false narrative, and block out anything else.

If Socialists were interested in learning, they'd have learned from the following failures:
Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Nazi Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Soviet Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

I didn’t even watch the video. Why should I just watch some random video you post without giving me any info about it? What is in the video exactly?

See with this failures list you’re getting ridiculous. You expect me to cite my sources yet you just make this list with absolutely no context? WTF? Thats stupid.

Yes indeed. Why attempt to learn something. You got me. I no longer will pay any attention to your posts ever again. In fact i think you should be shunned by every other member as well. That way you will go away. You have just shown that you are too stupid, or too politically biased to try and carry on a discussion. So, piss off, troll.

I’m the OP. You expect me to indulge every post that contradicts my position? Do you know how many RWs post on this forum? If she summarized the video, I would be more interested in the argument. Otherwise, I have t he selective.

No, I expect you to try and learn. Instead all you care about is spewing your bullshit all over the Board. You have zero interest in discussing anything. You merely want to talk AT people and you don't care about their opinions. So fuck you, that is the mark of a troll. I despise trolls.

I’m not a troll just because I get under your skin.

No, you're a troll because you don't seek the truth, you come to a conclusion and try to justify it, while actively avoiding other points of view at all costs. You chose not to view my video because it contained opinions you disagree with.

Unlike you, I've searched for answers rather than attempting to justify my view at all costs. That video I posted in response to your OP debunks your entire premise and provides citations.

I'd also like to point out that WestWall explained in detail what I just said, and you completely ignored all of it and responded with something totally unrelated.

As he said, you talk AT people and don't care about their opions, facts, or really anything else that doesn't support your preconceived notions. This is why people come to your threads to make fun of you rather than trying to have a rational discussion: You don't WANT a rational discussion, you just want to tell people what YOU have decided and ignore everything else.

You've had Marxists explain to you why you're wrong, you've had Socialists explain why you're wrong, I've shown you why you're wrong, and at no point have you reconsidered anything. Since the most recent presidential election, every single one of your threads have been pretty much the same, and when someone proves you wrong too thoroughly, you leave and then come back and repeat the same debunked BS. In fact, you're a shining example of everything wrong with the left today.

My responses to you have done everything to outline the moral, economic, and political issues with Socialism, down to every last detail, and each and every time your only response has been to disappear and repeat yourself in another thread. You've been thoroughly defeated in every way imaginable, and you refuse to learn anything, and in most cases, I doubt you even read my entire posts. This all comes down to one thing; If you were interested in learning, you would not be a Marxist.

 

[Tom Horn]

Nordic courntries aren't overrun with bloodsucking illegals, 3rd generation minorities on welfare, and don't have to field a military...we protect them. They also create nothing in research or innovation, just use what the rest of the world comes up with. So if this is your example of successful socialism, you best get back to the drawing board. The poorest of our poor still live like royalty compared to the third-world.

 

[Tom Horn]

There are workable Communist societies like China and Vietnam and oppressive ones like North Korea.

You have no idea of the carnage the Viet communists visited on their people to gain power....you're a buffoon.

 

[westwall]

Alleged happiness in a location means absolutely nothing, and I'd also like to note that you did absolutely nothing whatsoever to debunk ANYTHING in the video, not to mention I've already pointed out issues in Denmark's economy. As expected of a Socialist, you don't actually want to debate, and you're not interested in learning, you only want to see what supposedly supports your false narrative, and block out anything else.

If Socialists were interested in learning, they'd have learned from the following failures:
Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Nazi Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Soviet Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

I didn’t even watch the video. Why should I just watch some random video you post without giving me any info about it? What is in the video exactly?

See with this failures list you’re getting ridiculous. You expect me to cite my sources yet you just make this list with absolutely no context? WTF? Thats stupid.

Yes indeed. Why attempt to learn something. You got me. I no longer will pay any attention to your posts ever again. In fact i think you should be shunned by every other member as well. That way you will go away. You have just shown that you are too stupid, or too politically biased to try and carry on a discussion. So, piss off, troll.

I’m the OP. You expect me to indulge every post that contradicts my position? Do you know how many RWs post on this forum? If she summarized the video, I would be more interested in the argument. Otherwise, I have t he selective.

No, I expect you to try and learn. Instead all you care about is spewing your bullshit all over the Board. You have zero interest in discussing anything. You merely want to talk AT people and you don't care about their opinions. So fuck you, that is the mark of a troll. I despise trolls.

I’m not a troll just because I get under your skin.

Correct, you're a troll because you are an extremist who ignores evidence that runs counter to your infantile view of the world.

 

[Billy000]

I didn’t even watch the video. Why should I just watch some random video you post without giving me any info about it? What is in the video exactly?

See with this failures list you’re getting ridiculous. You expect me to cite my sources yet you just make this list with absolutely no context? WTF? Thats stupid.

Yes indeed. Why attempt to learn something. You got me. I no longer will pay any attention to your posts ever again. In fact i think you should be shunned by every other member as well. That way you will go away. You have just shown that you are too stupid, or too politically biased to try and carry on a discussion. So, piss off, troll.

I’m the OP. You expect me to indulge every post that contradicts my position? Do you know how many RWs post on this forum? If she summarized the video, I would be more interested in the argument. Otherwise, I have t he selective.

No, I expect you to try and learn. Instead all you care about is spewing your bullshit all over the Board. You have zero interest in discussing anything. You merely want to talk AT people and you don't care about their opinions. So fuck you, that is the mark of a troll. I despise trolls.

I’m not a troll just because I get under your skin.

Correct, you're a troll because you are an extremist who ignores evidence that runs counter to your infantile view of the world.

Lol what is this evidence exactly?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

How many times in a 30 day period can you beg for other people’s shit? You trying to set a record?

 

[westwall]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

How many times in a 30 day period can you beg for other people’s shit? You trying to set a record?

He doesn't beg, he demands. Big difference.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

How many times in a 30 day period can you beg for other people’s shit? You trying to set a record?

He doesn't beg, he demands. Big difference.

Very true...if Billy000 had it his way cartel like thugs would wake productive Americans up from a dead sleep with a 45 to their head ready to collect for Billy000