CDZ Can you vote democrat and support the 2nd Amendment?

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    I have never been a literal constitutionalist so I don't know what you are talking about

    When government started banning the ownership of firearms the matter was resolved via due process. Something you folk can't seem to understand.
    The second amendment is the shortest in the number of words.It seems pretty clear cut to me "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." The militia clause is not a contingency placed on the right of the people.
     
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    What do any of you examples have in common with the Second Amendment since nobody is depriving you of the Right - only penalizing you after you have misused it?
     
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    "Is this sawed off shotgun even a military weapon in the first place?"
    (The answer to that would be "NO" because the military normally does not use a significant number of shotguns


    again bs

    at the time and to this day the military does use a significant amount of shotguns

    so you are again just simply incorrect


    The most common type of shotgun used for this purpose is the manually operated, slide-action/pump-action type like the Remington M870 or Mossberg 590A1, the latter of which is currently the pump-action of choice for US armed forces and both have seen service with other militaries


    Combat shotgun - Wikipedia
     
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    That is wrong of course. You have absolute Rights and when the government infringes on them, you exhaust all of your nonviolent avenues of political and legal redress. If those fail you, then you consider extraordinary actions (i.e. civil disobedience, passive resistance, etc.) until you figure out what the Second Amendment is used for.
     
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    Mentally ill, yes. Not sure why a felon can't have a gun once he reenters society. They used to be able to have their gun rights back but step by step, gun rights are taken away till we're like the europeans who sit unarmed and watch their country overrun by third world violent muslims.
     
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    Even in your list the 870 Remington and 590A1 Mossberg are mentioned and the military uses plenty of them with short barrels.
     
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    I think you should reconsider and become a constitutionalist.

    You really don't want the government in the Rights granting business.
     
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    It is wholly unconstitutional not to restore a person's Rights once a convicted person has fulfilled their sentence. Allow me an example:

    If person A gets drunk as Hell, climbs in their car and kills someone, he can be charged with DUI, vehicular manslaughter, etc. He does his time and once out there are NO legal impediments from stopping this guy from going to a bar, getting drunk, getting in a car and driving down the road.

    If person B shoots someone, they do the time, get out and then are told they can't own a weapon any longer. WTH???

    DUI incidents cost as many lives as firearms and there is NO Right to buy booze. Under the 14th Amendment we're supposed to be guaranteed the equal protection of the laws. The government isn't living up to the guarantee.
     
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    indeed
     

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