Bull Ring Can the universe be used as evidence for a creator. ding vs Soupnazi630

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    5. Friedman's solutions to Einstein's General Theory of Relativity predicts that all the matter and energy in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom approximately 14 billion years ago and then began to expand and cool.

    6. The observations of cosmic background radiation and red shift confirm Friedman's prediction that all the matter and energy in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

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    7. The First Law of Thermodynamics (Conservation of energy and mass) states that energy and matter cannot be destroyed or created.

    8. Since the time that all matter and energy in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool, all energy and matter has only changed form (consequence of the First Law of Thermodynamics).

    9. All the atoms that makes up every person who has ever existed or will ever exist was present approximately 14 billion years ago when all matter and energy occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom (consequence of the First Law of Thermodynamics).

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    I will have to read up on Friedman to be positive but I will agree for expediency.
     
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    We gaze up at the heavens at stars which aren't there anymore .

    How about that?
     
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    Soupnaai is the biggest idiot troll you will ever find in your lifetime,he actually believes in magic bullets and even goes as far to talk to HIMSELF to try and get attention when so many people put him on ignore since he ignores facts that dont go along with bis insane babblle and ramblings.

    he cant open up his mouth without shitting all over the floor.LOL
     
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    Alexander Friedmann - Important Scientists - The Physics of the Universe

    "...By late 1920, he had belatedly become familiar with Albert Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, which was published several years late in war-torn Soviet Russia. In 1922, he discovered the expanding universe solution to Einstein’s general relativity field equations. At first, Einstein thought that the solution was erroneous, but he later agreed that they were in fact correct, and indeed that they shed new light on the whole subject. The expansion of the universe was finally corroborated several years later by Edwin Hubble's observations in 1929.
    Friedmann’s papers from 1924 demonstrated all three Friedmann models (describing positive, zero and negative curvature of space-time), a full decade before Howard Percy Robertson and Arthur Geoffrey Walker published their analysis. This dynamic cosmological model of general relativity would come to form the standard for the Big Bang and steady state theories of the universe (Friedmann's work supports both theories equally), although the steady state theory was later largely abandoned after the detection of cosmic microwave background radiation in 1965..."
     
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    10. If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time.

    11. Since the universe is not at thermal equilibrium, the Second Law of Thermodynamics confirms the universe has not existed forever and did have a beginning.

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    12. It is possible for matter to have a beginning.

    13. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter.

    14. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero.

    15. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter.

    16. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe.

    17. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability.

    18. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing.

    19. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description (Inflation Theory) which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool.

    20. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.
     
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    You are getting very theoretical by getting into Inflation Theory. Inflation theory, is but one expanding universe theory. In order for me to argue this on point it would require an understanding of physics far beyond my knowledge. I would think, far beyond the knowledge of most people.
    From what I have read of the theory it is an attempt to link classical cosmological theories to quantum fields and the actual measured vacuum of space. Unfortunately little data exists because we lack both the ability to measure or sufficient knowledge to.
    Either way this is all very heady, highly highly theoretical stuff which cannot be proven because we simply do not have any data for it.
     
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