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Abolition, women's suffrage, and democracy are all conservative concepts
Which is why the conservatives (by definition) opposed them and why abolition and women's suffrage were argued for on the grounds of liberal ideology...
Liberalism would give government the authority to order whatever society government wants society to be,
drawing on appreciation for individual liberties and the right to structure our own society without government interference other than to secure our rights.
affords one group greater privileges and benefits than another
, and promotes government authoritarianism
☭proletarian☭;2200724 said:Abolition, women's suffrage, and democracy are all conservative concepts
Which is why the conservatives (by definition) opposed them and why abolition and women's suffrage were argued for on the grounds of liberal ideology...Liberalism would give government the authority to order whatever society government wants society to be,
You mean the Consent of the Governed of Locke and other leading liberal philosophers?
affords one group greater privileges and benefits than another
You mean like the conservatives who fought for slavery?
, and promotes government authoritarianism
Right...
The reason it's called 'liberalism' is because it's grounded in individual liberty.
You seem to redefine your terms whenever you're wrong.
Ted Kennedy.The partisan hacks show their colors. Anybody claiming our education system has anything to do with conservative/liberal.
Been to UC Berkeley in the last 40 years?
Who wrote the "No Child left Behind Act" ??
?
☭proletarian☭;2195172 said:Can someone show me ONE liberal ideal that has actually worked?
I'll give you three:
Abolition
Women's suffrage
Democracy
Abolition: Republican
Women's suffrage: Republican
Democracy: WTF? the USA is nto a democracy it's a represenative republic. if it was a democracy than 51% could vote to have your hand chopped off for no reason.
idiot.
☭proletarian☭;2200724 said:Abolition, women's suffrage, and democracy are all conservative concepts
Which is why the conservatives (by definition) opposed them and why abolition and women's suffrage were argued for on the grounds of liberal ideology...
You mean the Consent of the Governed of Locke and other leading liberal philosophers?
You mean like the conservatives who fought for slavery?
, and promotes government authoritarianism
Right...
The reason it's called 'liberalism' is because it's grounded in individual liberty.
You seem to redefine your terms whenever you're wrong.
Listen, idiot. Classical liberal = modern conservative.
modern liberal = pro-socialism / welfare state
So now the Right wingers who keep attacking liberals are now trying to define themselves as liberals?☭proletarian☭;2200724 said:Abolition, women's suffrage, and democracy are all conservative concepts
Which is why the conservatives (by definition) opposed them and why abolition and women's suffrage were argued for on the grounds of liberal ideology...
You mean the Consent of the Governed of Locke and other leading liberal philosophers?
You mean like the conservatives who fought for slavery?
Right..., and promotes government authoritarianism
The reason it's called 'liberalism' is because it's grounded in individual liberty.
You seem to redefine your terms whenever you're wrong.
Listen, idiot. Classical liberal = modern conservative.
modern liberal = pro-socialism / welfare state
☭proletarian☭;2161122 said:Fail. A socialist calling himself a liberal becomes a liberal no more than an angel calling himself God becomes God, a conqueror calling himself a liberator becomes a liberator, or a lunatic calling himself the reincarnated Christ becomes the Messiah.
'conservative' is a meaningless term. Conservatives in American History were called Tories,slavekeepers, and Detroit police. Liberals were patriots, abolitionists, and civil rights marchers.
What about the society they founded?Liberals are mentally defective, and a cancer on whatever society they infect.
☭proletarian☭;2200877 said:What about the society they founded?Liberals are mentally defective, and a cancer on whatever society they infect.
☭proletarian☭;2200877 said:What about the society they founded?Liberals are mentally defective, and a cancer on whatever society they infect.
They've never founded anything.
The term "spread the wealth around" comes to mind.
You're motto
straight from your jacked off fucking shit stain commie marxist dumbo leader, obamalamadingdong.
☭proletarian☭;2110606 said:YOU FAIL IT
I never supported ObamaI wanted Ron Paul to be our president.
-but don't let facts get in the way of your sad partisan hackery and blind, ignorant attacks.
☭proletarian☭;2200877 said:What about the society they founded?Liberals are mentally defective, and a cancer on whatever society they infect.
They've never founded anything. They're leaches, and suck off the creation and hard work of others.
The term "spread the wealth around" comes to mind. You're motto, straight from your jacked off fucking shit stain commie marxist dumbo leader, obamalamadingdong.
The partisan hacks show their colors. Anybody claiming our education system has anything to do with conservative/liberal.
Been to UC Berkeley in the last 40 years?
Who wrote the "No Child left Behind Act" ??
How did the Red States of Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Alaska.....
All allow liberals to take over their education system?
As i wrote, Ted Kennedy largely wrote NCLB at Bush's invitation. That didnt stop Kennedy from complaining about the bill, of course. So any inference that NCLB is a conservative creation is boosheet. Many conservatives, like Charles Murray, actually opposed it.
As fair an assessment as I've seen. But Bush was no conservative and legislation like this is proof.As i wrote, Ted Kennedy largely wrote NCLB at Bush's invitation. That didnt stop Kennedy from complaining about the bill, of course. So any inference that NCLB is a conservative creation is boosheet. Many conservatives, like Charles Murray, actually opposed it.
I had forgotten about Kennedy's involvement in that project, so you're probably right. It was patterned after a similar program President Bush pushed as governor in Texas so I have to believe he was involved. But since neither Presidents or Senators do much hands on work in production of anything, it was probably their staffers who researched it, agreed on the language, and wrote the final legislation.
It was conservative in the sense that school children should be expected to learn the material no matter what, and the schools should be held accountable to insist that they do.
It was liberal in the Federal mandates that went along with that, and the authoritarian approach of reward and punishment for social change which no true conservative can condone.
The war of 1812 question is a trick question, what the question should be is when did the War of 1812 start, since it lasted from 1812-1815. Why was it called the war of 1812 again?
As fair an assessment as I've seen. But Bush was no conservative and legislation like this is proof.As i wrote, Ted Kennedy largely wrote NCLB at Bush's invitation. That didnt stop Kennedy from complaining about the bill, of course. So any inference that NCLB is a conservative creation is boosheet. Many conservatives, like Charles Murray, actually opposed it.
I had forgotten about Kennedy's involvement in that project, so you're probably right. It was patterned after a similar program President Bush pushed as governor in Texas so I have to believe he was involved. But since neither Presidents or Senators do much hands on work in production of anything, it was probably their staffers who researched it, agreed on the language, and wrote the final legislation.
It was conservative in the sense that school children should be expected to learn the material no matter what, and the schools should be held accountable to insist that they do.
It was liberal in the Federal mandates that went along with that, and the authoritarian approach of reward and punishment for social change which no true conservative can condone.
And you call other's idiots
Make up whatever definitions you want
The delusions of hacks are amazing.
As fair an assessment as I've seen. But Bush was no conservative and legislation like this is proof.I had forgotten about Kennedy's involvement in that project, so you're probably right. It was patterned after a similar program President Bush pushed as governor in Texas so I have to believe he was involved. But since neither Presidents or Senators do much hands on work in production of anything, it was probably their staffers who researched it, agreed on the language, and wrote the final legislation.
It was conservative in the sense that school children should be expected to learn the material no matter what, and the schools should be held accountable to insist that they do.
It was liberal in the Federal mandates that went along with that, and the authoritarian approach of reward and punishment for social change which no true conservative can condone.
President Bush was conservative in understanding how tax policy affects economic growth and civil liberties. He was conservative in appreciating the necessity of a strong defense and not caving in to bullies and terrorists. He was conservative in understanding that keeping the people safe requires license to be politically incorrect. And in some social policy he was conservative in understanding that it was not appropriate for the federal government to promote or finance certain things. He was conservative in sounding the alarm, ignored by Congress, that could have at least partially allieved some of the damage from the housing bubble burst had he been heeded. It was for these things that the Left hated him but they had decided to hate him anyway so it had little effect on his approval ratings.
But unfortunately, in fiscal spending, expansion of government and entitlements, immigration, and environmental issues, he was no conservative. It was for these things that the Right accused him. And that is why he left as a disappointment to many of us. I still like him a lot and see him as an honorable man. Unfortunately, he simply didn't have the conservative credentials that we needed.
