Can anyone break this argument?

Discussion in 'Healthcare/Insurance/Govt Healthcare' started by Liberty, Sep 18, 2010.

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    (I give credit to Andrew Wilkow for this unbreakable argument) There is person 'A' and person 'B'. 'A' is a poverty stricken American that does not pay taxes. 'B' is a successful mechanic who owns a small business and pays taxes, and lives a very comfortable life. If 'A' is entitled to health care for simply existing (like the left wing claims), and 'B' is responsible to 'A' to provide that entitlement via paying taxes, then what did 'B' do to deserve to fall into the debt of 'A'?

    Even more important; What is 'A's responsibility having received the entitlement without contributing to the system for it....to 'B' having been forced by federal government to provide it? Does 'A' owe it to 'B' to live a healthy lifestyle that is to refrain from excessive drinking, smoking, sex with hookers which can lead to STDs, obesity or anything else that a person can make that contribute to their health and wellbeing? Will the government force people to modify their behavior?

    Is this not a type of economic slavery?

    In conclusion, it is obvious that this kind of a system is detrimental to the concept of liberty, equality, and responsibility. Three important factors in a free society. 'A's and 'B's liberty is not looked at equally by the federal government, that is to say 'B' cannot refuse their obligation impelled by the government and refuse to pay the taxes that will be levied against them for this new entitlement through threat of incarceration and/or penalties.

    To preserve, strengthen, and defend liberty...or to submit and fall for the lies of tyrannical oligarchy and socialism. The choice is obvious for anyone who values the prospects and the potential of the human being.

    I am not saying the current system is where we need to be, I am saying we need to look to our founding, and a literal representaion of the constitution...and cut everything that is hurting America and the people in the federal government to return to prosperity...and i mean prosperity for everyone. For if those poor people can say, create a business EASIER...would they not be more prosperous? The current government puts up road blocks to prosperity instead of PROMOTING the growth of the talents of an individual so they can be successful.

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    B could hire A and big gubmint will mandate B to insure A, regardless.
     
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    That's an interesting perspective.

    here's a different perspective;

    there's this country....
    in which many people say "we are the GREATEST country in the world!"
    but.....
    there aren't enough jobs for everyone
    so many people, through no fault of their own, don't have jobs
    many other people work at lowpaying jobs earning barely enough to stay warm and eat but NOT get proper health care

    millions and millions of people suffering and dying because in that GREAT COUNTRY SOME people have BILLIONS of dollars while other people have trouble paying the rent...

    is that REALLY the greatest country in the world?

    and what about the future;
    more and more jobs (even in the military) being automated, computerized and turned over to robots...

    meaning even FEWER jobs for people....
    (maybe someday YOU won't have a job because a robot will be doing it and the CEO of your corporation can get EVEN RICHER! won't that be nice? and you, of course, won't complain, i'm sure)

    of course...
    people who don't work because there are no jobs because wealthy people would rather keep ALL THE MONEY and use robots and computers to do as much work as possible are OBVIOUSLY deadbeats and deserve to just die on the streets....

    in the greatest country in the world.....
     
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    the word "greatest" is subjective. while you use it to describe a utopia of jobs and health care, i use the term "greatest" to describe the amount of liberty, choice, and responsibility of each individual to make their own way in life; which is much more realistic.

    its all relative to one's personal opinion.
     
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    B wants to live in peace and security. He also wants to be able to hire workers if and when his business expands. B invests in the well-being of A (and others in his community) because it serves B's best interests to do so, and because it is the right thing to do.
     
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    B already invests in his community via private charity donations (edit: and local / state taxes)

    Why must the government force him to do more? What gives the government that power?

    also, answer the questions in bold.
     
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    I don't think your "argument" CAN be broken. Your perspective is spot on! The federal government continues to create and condone dependency.

    Excellent response!
     
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    IDK... when you fall and break your neck and cut your leg open, what have I done to owe it to you to call 911 and apply pressure to the wound?

    I suppose it's the same thing the government did to ow it to us to not throw us all in internment camps and take over our industries.
    Really? You want to get into 'economic slavery', my capitalist friend?
    ...

    repre-what?

    Which draft? The one before abolition?
     
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    What is your point?

    What is your point?

    What is your point?

    What is your point?


    --- Come on now, try to come up with an intelligent retort, instead of asinine ones. i believe in you. :)
     
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    Your evasion settles the matter.

    I rest my case.
     

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