California, Drought, Politics, Power, And Money

[elektra]

How to start such a great thought.

Is it really that simple, the government screams, "drought". The newspaper and media, owned by corporations scream, "drought". The farmers need water and there is none, its sad.

But is it that simple?

Farmers, what is a farmer in California, are you thinking Farmer John? I am thinking big Corporations.

I bet one farmer alone owns over a 100,000 acres of land, I bet oil companies own 10's of thousands of acres of farmland in California.

Anyhow, has anyone heard of the Twin-Tunnels project? Its a project to move water in California, biggest ever imagined, it will consume millions alone in electricity. Its crazy huge, biggest water project ever imagined. All while we get beat up with stories of drought, drought, drought. How come we have not heard of this 70$ Billion dollar project. The Twin-Tunnels. They propose to actually build tunnels to carry water under the wetlands of California, through earthquake country?

Its got to be about the money and power, right?

Santa Barbara County Cannot Afford the Twin Tunnels Project California Water Impact Network

The Twin Tunnels is a joint proposal by Governor Jerry Brown, the federal Interior Department and powerful agribusiness water contractors to maximize transfers of water from Northern California to Southern California as part of the administration’s the Bay-Delta Conservation Plan. The scheme calls for three gigantic intakes located in the Sacramento/San Joaquin Delta that would connect to two subterranean tunnels, each 40 feet in diameter and approximately 30 miles long. These twin tunnels would shunt high-quality fresh water from the Sacramento River for distribution via the State Water Project to San Joaquin Valley agribusiness, Silicon Valley and South State cities and suburbs.

 

[Billy_Bob]

3 October 2014
“California might be shrinking in mass due to climate change-induced drought”

California might be shrinking in mass due to climate change-induced drought SCIENCE Tech Times

Where do these morons come up with this stuff? Stupid twin tunnels taking water from agricultural areas to feed liberal cities and then to say its all shrinking... OY!

 

[Old Rocks]

TAG Drought, California drought, Climate change, NASA
California might be shrinking in mass due to climate change-induced drought
By Jim Algar, Tech Times | October 3, 2:48 PM

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California may be losing mass as it dries out in ongoing drought. Satellite images give dramatic evidence of water loss, as scientists put blame on human-caused climate change.
(Photo : NASA)



California' ongoing drought may be causing the state the shrink -- or at least lose mass -- as it dries out and water storage levels drop, new satellite images indicate.

NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) satellites have provided colorful but disturbing images of just how severe the declines in water storage have been over the last decade or so.

Different colors in the GRACE satellite images indicate changes in mass linked to variations in water amount below or on the surface of California, scientists say.

In the worst-hit central area of the state, where heavy groundwater pumping has been necessary to support agricultural activities, the Central Valley's river basins lost a combined 4 trillion gallons of water annually between 2011 and 2014, NASA reported.

In the satellite images, colors assigned to the Central Valley between 2002 and 2014 changed from green to orange to an alarming red, indicating a severe reduction in mass due to declining water storage.

More than 95 percent of California is under severe or exceptional drought, with 58 percent under the highest "exceptional" drought level as defined by the U.S. Drought Monitor.

The federal government has declared all of California's 58 counties to be natural disaster areas.

Perhaps, instead displaying your vast ignorance constantly, you should try reading what the scientists have to say.

 

[AVG-JOE]

I bet one farmer alone owns over a 100,000 acres of land, I bet oil companies own 10's of thousands of acres of farmland in California.

Anyhow, has anyone heard of the Twin-Tunnels project? Its a project to move water in California, biggest ever imagined, it will consume millions alone in electricity. Its crazy huge, biggest water project ever imagined. All while we get beat up with stories of drought, drought, drought. How come we have not heard of this 70$ Billion dollar project. The Twin-Tunnels. They propose to actually build tunnels to carry water under the wetlands of California, through earthquake country?

Its got to be about the money and power, right?

Was there a vote among The People of California?

 

[Old Rocks]

One hundred percent of the state remains in drought conditions, and the bad news keeps coming. The fall harvest, from grapes and almonds and beyond, was smaller than usual, with revenue losses and high water costs combined costing the agriculture industry some $2.2 billion. Pumpkins are ripening too early. The dairy, golf, beer, rice, ski and shadow marijuana industries are all at risk. Endangered salmon are in trouble. The state’s run through its budget for fighting wildfires. A growing number of communities face the prospect of having no water left in just two months’ time. Lake Oroville, California’s second-largest reservoir, is only 30 feet away from its record-low level:

Just for elektra, they mention grapes

 

[elektra]

3 October 2014
“California might be shrinking in mass due to climate change-induced drought”

California might be shrinking in mass due to climate change-induced drought SCIENCE Tech Times

Where do these morons come up with this stuff? Stupid twin tunnels taking water from agricultural areas to feed liberal cities and then to say its all shrinking... OY!

Wrong! The Twin Tunnels is not for Southern California Cites, it is for Agriculture, nothing more.

 

[elektra]

One hundred percent of the state remains in drought conditions, and the bad news keeps coming. The fall harvest, from grapes and almonds and beyond, was smaller than usual, with revenue losses and high water costs combined costing the agriculture industry some $2.2 billion. Pumpkins are ripening too early. The dairy, golf, beer, rice, ski and shadow marijuana industries are all at risk. Endangered salmon are in trouble. The state’s run through its budget for fighting wildfires. A growing number of communities face the prospect of having no water left in just two months’ time. Lake Oroville, California’s second-largest reservoir, is only 30 feet away from its record-low level:

Just for elektra, they mention grapes

And this is the propaganda, I see old crock can not post this bull, in the other thread about the drought monitor being propaganda.

Anybody can go to the super market and buy california grapes, the grape crop is another record year, last three years, all drought years, california agriculture has set records.

So what is your point old crock, there is not a Twin Tunnels project on the Ballot this November, 26 Billion just to start, plus another 50 billion dollars in Federal Funds, on top of that California is committed to spending 200 billion on green energy, with matching Federal funds to bring a deficit of over 500 billion dollars to california dna the federal government.

That is a bunch of money, hundreds of billions.

 

[Old Rocks]

The crops of California are worth a bunch of money.

 

[Mr. H.]

Water has mass? Who'da thunkit.

Farmers need water?
Fuck 'em.

Oil companies don't "own farmland".

 

[Crick]

One hundred percent of the state remains in drought conditions, and the bad news keeps coming. The fall harvest, from grapes and almonds and beyond, was smaller than usual, with revenue losses and high water costs combined costing the agriculture industry some $2.2 billion. Pumpkins are ripening too early. The dairy, golf, beer, rice, ski and shadow marijuana industries are all at risk. Endangered salmon are in trouble. The state’s run through its budget for fighting wildfires. A growing number of communities face the prospect of having no water left in just two months’ time. Lake Oroville, California’s second-largest reservoir, is only 30 feet away from its record-low level:

Just for elektra, they mention grapes

And this is the propaganda, I see old crock can not post this bull, in the other thread about the drought monitor being propaganda.

Anybody can go to the super market and buy california grapes, the grape crop is another record year, last three years, all drought years, california agriculture has set records.

So what is your point old crock, there is not a Twin Tunnels project on the Ballot this November, 26 Billion just to start, plus another 50 billion dollars in Federal Funds, on top of that California is committed to spending 200 billion on green energy, with matching Federal funds to bring a deficit of over 500 billion dollars to california dna the federal government.

That is a bunch of money, hundreds of billions.

Funny, I don't see your personal, unsubstantiated comment "anybody can go to the supermarket and buy California grapes" sufficient argument to overturn the article to which Old Rocks linked (California Harvest Smaller Than Usual Due To Drought)specifically describing crop losses to the drought.

In my grocery, they come from Chile.

 

[elektra]

One hundred percent of the state remains in drought conditions, and the bad news keeps coming. The fall harvest, from grapes and almonds and beyond, was smaller than usual, with revenue losses and high water costs combined costing the agriculture industry some $2.2 billion. Pumpkins are ripening too early. The dairy, golf, beer, rice, ski and shadow marijuana industries are all at risk. Endangered salmon are in trouble. The state’s run through its budget for fighting wildfires. A growing number of communities face the prospect of having no water left in just two months’ time. Lake Oroville, California’s second-largest reservoir, is only 30 feet away from its record-low level:

Just for elektra, they mention grapes

And this is the propaganda, I see old crock can not post this bull, in the other thread about the drought monitor being propaganda.

Anybody can go to the super market and buy california grapes, the grape crop is another record year, last three years, all drought years, california agriculture has set records.

So what is your point old crock, there is not a Twin Tunnels project on the Ballot this November, 26 Billion just to start, plus another 50 billion dollars in Federal Funds, on top of that California is committed to spending 200 billion on green energy, with matching Federal funds to bring a deficit of over 500 billion dollars to california dna the federal government.

That is a bunch of money, hundreds of billions.

Funny, I don't see your personal, unsubstantiated comment "anybody can go to the supermarket and buy California grapes" sufficient argument to overturn the article to which Old Rocks linked (California Harvest Smaller Than Usual Due To Drought)specifically describing crop losses to the drought.

In my grocery, they come from Chile.

Poor crick, whats the matter, you tired of getting your but kicked.

Unsubstantiated? Are you playing with the big books again crick, did crick find a dictionary?

too bad crick ran from all of cricks post in the last thread,

 

[elektra]

Hustle and Flow Here s Who Really Controls California s Water Mother Jones

Hustle and Flow: Here's Who Really Controls California's Water
The Golden State's historic drought has made these water power brokers more powerful than ever

DIANNE FEINSTEIN: The chair of the powerful energy and water panel of the Senate Appropriations Committee has a history of siding with the state's agricultural interests, which use 80 percent of the state's water. In a March email to two Cabinet secretaries, Feinstein joined Republicans in urging federal water officials to capture "the maximum amount of water" from the Sacramento San Joaquin River Delta for farmers. Two months later, she pushed a drought bill through the Senate by a unanimous vote, over the objections of environmentalists who said it would open the door to permanently increasing water allocations to farmers at the expense of endangered fish. Environmental groups "have never been helpful to me in producing good water policy," she later told the San Francisco Chronicle. She is now hammering out a compromise bill with House Republicans who want to do even more to gut endangered species laws

 

[TheOldSchool]

There's not enough water to go around in California???

Nice let's politicize that shit

 

[elektra]

Feinstein Ends Truce Restarts Water Wars CalWatchDog

Feinstein Ends Truce, Restarts Water Wars


March 29, 2012 - By admin

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MARCH 29, 2012

By WAYNE LUSVARDI

California’s water wars are back. U.S. SenatorDianne Feinstein, D-Calif., sent a letter to the Association of California Water Agencies late Tuesday March 27 again pitting North against South.

The letter stated Feinstein was no longer entertaining compromise legislation on House Resolution H.R. 1837, the San Joaquin Valley Water Reliability Act, sponsored by Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Clovis. HR 1837 would have repealed Feinstein’s three-year-old H.R. 146, the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009 (formerly called the San Joaquin River Restoration Settlement Act of 2009).

Politicians have a way of using titles to their legislation that covers up what it is really all about.

Feinstein’s H.R. 146:

* Took water in 2009 from Central Valley farmers to redistribute to tourist commercial, fishing, recreational and real estate interests in the San Joaquin River under the guise of environmental restoration and mitigation;
* Raised water rates for Central Valley farmers to subsidize fishing and recreational “restoration”; and
* Required that renewal of agricultural water contracts had to go through an environmental review for distribution of “mitigations” to special interests.

- See more at: Feinstein Ends Truce Restarts Water Wars CalWatchDog