California 20% renewables

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    CPUC 2012 1st and 2nd Quarter Renewables Report to the Legislature

    Cudos, at least with respect to the West Coast.
     
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    Hopefully, the technology can be as cheap as coal very soon. :eusa_shhh:
     
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    Nobody is saying that except the progressive websites...................


    From today's REALCLEAR Energy >>>



    Climate of Failure - By Roger Pielke Jr. | Foreign Policy
     
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    A good article, Steve.

    Climate of Failure - By Roger Pielke Jr. | Foreign Policy

    Natural gas is not a long-term solution to the challenge of stabilizing carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere, because it is still carbon intensive, but the rapidly declining U.S. emissions prove an essential policy point: Make clean(er) energy cheap, and dirty energy will be quickly displaced. To secure cheap energy alternatives requires innovation -- technological, but also institutional and social. Nuclear power offers the promise of large scale carbon-free energy, but is currently expensive and controversial. Carbon capture from coal and gas, large-scale wind, and solar each offer tantalizing possibilities, but remain technologically immature and expensive, especially when compared to gas. The innovation challenge is enormous, but so is the scale of the problem. A focus on innovation -- not on debates over climate science or a mythical high carbon price -- is where we'll make process.

    The vast complexity of the climate issue offers many avenues for action across a range of different issues. What we need is the wisdom to have a constructive debate on climate policy options without all the vitriolic proxy battles. The anger and destructiveness seen from both sides of this debate will not be going away, of course, but constructive debate will move on to focus on goals that can actually be accomplished. To paraphrase the great columnist Walter Lippmann, politics is not about getting people to think alike, but about getting people who think differently to act alike. The climate issue will never be solved completely, but it's still possible for us to make things better or worse.

    I'm all for doing better.
     
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    Yeah Ray.......but only liberals do things for the sake of doing things. One will notice that nobody in the environmentalist community ever cares to operationally define: "make things better". By how much? At what cost and to whom? Fact is, "making it better" is a hail mary pass guess, like somebody giving me a pill to make my dick bigger and saying, "It'll make it better!!". Really? For whom? Who the fuck knows? Does that mean my dick will feel more like a hero, or me? Or my wife?


    Make no mistake.........liberals have made an art out of hooking the hopelessly duped on generalities with just about anything you're talking but most notably, the environment. Nobody knows jack about if you cut X amount of Co2, we'll end up with a decrease in Y in terms of climate change!!

    Its llike Harry here going in for his evening cup of Joe every night.................


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    skookerasbil what of the three renewable technologys below holds the most promise in the long term?
    -Solar
    -Wind
    -Wave
     
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    Natural gas is not a long-term solution...stopped reading it right there.

    Sure it isn't.

    Only the most abundant hydrocarbon in the USA, but it's not a solution.

    Uh huh.
     
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    Natural gas
     
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    Considering the average 50% (2000-2009 increases were 55%) increase in prices for fossil fuel sourced electricity nation-wide over the next decade,...that sounds like a bargain!!

    Yes, it is good to remember that energy deregulation allows corrupt corporate behavior in the pursuit of profit "Enron" ring any bells?


    a bizarrely pessimistic perspective but it does well display the inherent sociopathy.
     

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