Bush's Vision

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    From a recent speech made by the President to Air Force graduates:

    That is a vision. And it is absolutely correct. The only hope is to bring those values we know to be good to an area of the world that desperately needs them.
     
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    Couldn't agree more.
     
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    Its a lot harder than just saying it...if you don't remember, latin america tried to create a government "just like ours", but failed and now they're in economic downfalls. France also, they tried 3 or 4 times, and THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT FORCED ON THEM! what im saying is, give it to the iraqi people to decide what government to have and who should lead it because they are not gunna be happy with the people we put in there because we want another ally
     
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    You should change your name to ignorant one.

    Go look at post war Germany and Japan after WW2. We placed temporary leaders in those countries. Both times we were criticised for trying to put someone that favors America. Also notice that after general elections were held, these countries pretty much governed themselves. The US didn't remove troops from those coutnries as a sign of support. Those 2 countries are now both democratic by nature and have capitalist economies. All this took over a decade to accomplish. In iraq its being done in less than 2 years. Thats astromnomically quick in history's eyes.

    Any person that is placed into leadership by a foreign entity will be criticised. When general elections are held, the Iraqis will select their own leaders. General Elections will be held either this year or early next year. So enough with the "US is placing someone they like in there to control Iraq" bullshit.
     
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    Burn!:clap:
     
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    The quoted statement is not too far from what many liberals have advocated for many years. U.S. support for dictatorships throughout the world, particularly repressive regimes with abysmal human rights records such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Egypt etc breed resentment in the arab street, both toward their own government and their American backers.

    Foreign aid is unpopular in the U.S. leaving the U.S. last among developed countries in development aid as a percentage of GDP. Conversely, the U.S. is the largest exporter of weapons in the world. Perhaps greater investment in democratic institutions, civil society, education, health care in developing countries is, in the long term, our best weapon in the WOT.
     
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    Are you still here?

    How does the amount of money we give away compare to every other country?
     
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    Depends on how you count it. Very little in terms of developmental assistance. Most of the aid to the top two recipients, Israel and Egypt, is military which of course, is a help to US industry. Aide to the former soviet states, which is third is primarily in the form of Nunn/Lugar which is aid to sucure former Soviet nukes, clearly in our interest, and fourth is Columbia, again, primarily military assistance to combat narcotic growers, traffickers, revolutionary movements, and militia's. War on drugs. To put it in perspective, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation gives away about ten times the amount the U.S. government gives on preventing childhood diseases in developing countries.
     
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    I think its time to say goodbye to cut and paste boy. This referred to math before his 20th post of the same thing was removed.
     

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