Bush Justified in Wiretapping

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    NewsMax Poll: Bush Justified in Wiretapping

    Americans overwhelmingly support President Bush's authorization to the National Security Agency to tap the private conversations of U.S. citizens to search for evidence of terrorist activity, an exclusive NewsMax.com poll reveals.

    In one of the largest responses to a NewsMax poll ever, more than 150,000 people across the Internet have made their opinions known about this controversy. And they resoundingly say that the President was justified in taking this action to protect America.

    Here is a breakdown of the poll results for several key questions:

    1) Has President Bush been justified in tapping the conversation of U.S. citizens?
    Justified - 80%
    Not Justified - 20%

    2) Do you believe the President must have a court-approved warrant to conduct a wiretap?
    Yes - 23%
    No - 72%
    Not Sure - 5%

    3) Do you believe President Bush's claim that he undertook this action to protect America?
    Yes - 83%
    No - 17%

    4) How would you rate media coverage about President Bush's actions?
    Fair - 20%
    Unfair - 80%

    NewsMax continues to update its online poll. You can still vote - just Go Here Now.

    from www.newsmax.com
     
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    what's to stop him from tapping Howard Dean's phone?

    First he stated directly that there was no such program, even as he reauthorized it 36 times. Then he stated it only covered international calls, which we soon found out to be untrue.

    I'm surprised more people don't remember J. Edgar Hoover, and the type of harrassment and surveillance opponents of the Vietnam war were put through.

    And what about the Constitution, which specifically forbids "unreasonable searches"?

    I'm betting this poll didn't ask, "Do you support the President in circumventing the system already in place that permitted wiretapping with a secret judge's authorization?"

    That judge has resigned in protest over the current system, and Republican Kean, as well as many other Republicans with a libertarian streak (which I would expect to include many U.S. Message Board members), have concluded that the program was likely unconstitutional.

    Bush seems to want a kingship, not a presidency. He wants to be able to declare war, to hold enemy in secret dungeons without legal reason or representation, to keep programs and information secret from congress (circumventing the constitution's checks and balances) and to read our emails and tap our phones. We already held a revolution to escape the powers of one King George--we don't need another!

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    All Presidents of the US, during a time of war, have the final authority as CinC. Bush is hardly setting a precedent. He has just made a decision that gives you libs yet another excuse to twist it into something it isn't and start slinging your "stuff" against the wall in hopes that it will stick.

    Looks like this one is sticking about as well as the rest.
     
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    Ok, if the president, during time of war or not, has the sole power to drop nukes, which could kill millions of people, if not more, then what makes you think he doesn't have to right to listen in on phone conversations, especially as long as the scope remains to gather foreign intelligence. It's nothin new. Lots of correspondance was monitored without a warrant during World War II in order to root out foreign spies. Not one of these was used in the prosecution of a domestic crime.
     
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    The Commander-in-Chief is commander over the military, not over everyone. The Constitution could not be more clear that the President is a citizen subject to the same laws as everyone else.

    To put it another way, how many people on this message board would be happy if a Democratic president arrogated herself the right to wiretap anyone?

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    The fact that this is a Newsmax poll speaks volumes. After catching them in the act of fudging poll numbers a few weeks ago in a sad attempt to paint Dems as pro-Saddam, I think Newsmax is the last source I'd ever trust for truthful information. And even if the numbers are accurate (questionable), it still doesn't say much of anything except that a large number of Newsmax readers (probably 80% or more of its readership is far right wing) think it's okay. They're a far cry from representing the beliefs of mainstream America. They're a fringe group just as much as the far left fringe groups.

    I'm also curious how those readers would have voted if Spewsmax had told them the truth about the manner in which that wire-tapping has been going on? They haven't simply been tapping the phones of people already believed to have ties to terrorists, they've been tapping into the mainframes of major telephone companies and monitoring hundreds of thousands of random private conversations, looking for random clues to terrorism ties (and possibly to dissenting opinions, if the Pentagon thing is any indication).
     
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    If dems had their way, saddam would still be in power. It's just the truth. Your many dozens, hundreds, if not thousands of other options are just snakeoil and failed solutions already tried.
     
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    Still having trouble pulling your head out, I see.
     
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    Not at all. Do you convince yourself with your faulty reasoning? That's what's most tragic.
     
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    1. Newsmax readership is primarily far right wing Republicans, so any sample polled in a Newsmax survey is not likely to be a representative sample of the American people, but rather a representative sample only of the far right wing.

    2. Newsmax has been unequivocally caught fudging poll numbers in the past, so their methods and honesty are suspect.

    Please identify which of the above is "faulty reasoning."
     

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