Bush a bad president

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    Bush a bad president
    > >
    > > Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They
    > complain
    > > about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the
    > worst
    > > president in U.S. history.
    > >
    > > Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to
    > > remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.
    > > Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
    > > FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
    From
    > > 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
    > >
    > > Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
    > > attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of
    > > 18,333 per year.
    > >
    > > John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
    > attacked
    > > us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975,
    > > 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
    > >
    > > Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never
    > > attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
    > times
    > > by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
    > >
    > > In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has
    > liberated
    > > two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear
    > > inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and
    > > captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
    > > We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad
    > > while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
    > >
    > > Worst president in history? Come on!
     
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    Great post Sandy!!!! Libs will hate this one!:D :clap1:
     
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    I know that is why I posted it !! HEHE
     
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    just some minor corrections, if I may:

    This is not entirely accurate. FDR tried to involve the US and was stonewalled by the congress and senate. It was only until after dec 7,1941 that FDR was allowed to enter the war.

    The vietnam conflict was started before kennedy ever took office.
    1941

    Communist activist Ho Chi Minh secretly returns to Vietnam after 30 years in exile and organizes a nationalist organization known as the Viet Minh (Vietnam Independence League). After Japanese troops occupy Vietnam during World War II, the U.S. military intelligence agency Office of Strategic Services (OSS) allies with Ho Chi Minh and his Viet Minh guerrillas to harass Japanese troops in the jungles and to help rescue downed American pilots.

    1945

    March 9, 1945 - Amid rumors of a possible American invasion, Japanese oust the French colonial government which had been operating independently and seize control of Vietnam, installing Bao Dai as their puppet ruler.

    Summer - Severe famine strikes Hanoi and surrounding areas eventually resulting in two million deaths from starvation out of a population of ten million. The famine generates political unrest and peasant revolts against the Japanese and remnants of French colonial society. Ho Chi Minh capitalizes on the turmoil by successfully spreading his Viet Minh movement.

    July 1945 - Following the defeat of Nazi Germany, World War II Allies including the U.S., Britain, and Soviet Union, hold the Potsdam Conference in Germany to plan the post-war world. Vietnam is considered a minor item on the agenda.

    In order to disarm the Japanese in Vietnam, the Allies divide the country in half at the 16th parallel. Chinese Nationalists will move in and disarm the Japanese north of the parallel while the British will move in and do the same in the south.

    During the conference, representatives from France request the return of all French pre-war colonies in Southeast Asia (Indochina). Their request is granted. Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia will once again become French colonies following the removal of the Japanese.

    August 1945 - Japanese surrender unconditionally. Vietnam's puppet emperor, Bao Dai, abdicates. Ho Chi Minh's guerrillas occupy Hanoi and proclaim a provisional government.

    September 2, 1945 - Japanese sign the surrender agreement in Tokyo Bay formally ending World War II in the Pacific. On this same day, Ho Chi Minh proclaims the independence of Vietnam by quoting from the text of the American Declaration of Independence which had been supplied to him by the OSS -- "We hold the truth that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This immortal statement is extracted from the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. These are undeniable truths."

    Ho declares himself president of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and pursues American recognition but is repeatedly ignored by President Harry Truman.

    September 13, 1945 - British forces arrive in Saigon, South Vietnam.

    In North Vietnam, 150,000 Chinese Nationalist soldiers, consisting mainly of poor peasants, arrive in Hanoi after looting Vietnamese villages during their entire march down from China. They then proceed to loot Hanoi.

    September 22, 1945 - In South Vietnam, 1400 French soldiers released by the British from former Japanese internment camps enter Saigon and go on a deadly rampage, attacking Viet Minh and killing innocent civilians including children, aided by French civilians who joined the rampage. An estimated 20,000 French civilians live in Saigon.

    September 24, 1945 - In Saigon, Viet Minh successfully organize a general strike shutting down all commerce along with electricity and water supplies. In a suburb of Saigon, members of Binh Xuyen, a Vietnamese criminal organization, massacre 150 French and Eurasian civilians, including children.

    September 26, 1945 - The first American death in Vietnam occurs, during the unrest in Saigon, as OSS officer Lt. Col. A. Peter Dewey is killed by Viet Minh guerrillas who mistook him for a French officer. Before his death, Dewey had filed a report on the deepening crisis in Vietnam, stating his opinion that the U.S. "ought to clear out of Southeast Asia."

    October 1945 - 35,000 French soldiers under the command of World War II General Jacques Philippe Leclerc arrive in South Vietnam to restore French rule. Viet Minh immediately begin a guerrilla campaign to harass them. The French then succeed in expelling the Viet Minh from Saigon.

    1946

    February 1946 - The Chinese under Chiang Kai-shek agree to withdraw from North Vietnam and allow the French to return in exchange for French concessions in Shanghai and other Chinese ports.

    March 1946 - Ho Chi Minh agrees to permit French troops to return to Hanoi temporarily in exchange for French recognition of his Democratic Republic of Vietnam. Chinese troops then depart.

    May-September - Ho Chi Minh spends four months in France attempting to negotiate full independence and unity for Vietnam, but fails to obtain any guarantee from the French.

    June 1946 - In a major affront to Ho Chi Minh, the French high commissioner for Indochina proclaims a separatist French-controlled government for South Vietnam (Republic of Chochinchina).

    November 1946 - After a series of violent clashes with Viet Minh, French forces bombard Haiphong harbor and occupy Hanoi, forcing Ho Chi Minh and his Viet Minh forces to retreat into the jungle.

    December 19, 1946 - In Hanoi, 30,000 Viet Minh launch their first large-scale attack against the French. Thus begins an eight year struggle known as the First Indochina War. "The resistance will be long and arduous, but our cause is just and we will surely triumph," declares Viet Minh military commander Vo Nguyen Giap. "If these [people] want a fight, they'll get it," French military commander Gen. Etrienne Valluy states.

    1947

    October 7- December 22 - The French conduct Operation Lea, a series of attacks on Viet Minh guerrilla positions in North Vietnam near the Chinese border. Although the Viet Minh suffer over 9000 causalities, most of the 40,000 strong Viet Minh force slips away through gaps in the French lines.

    1949

    March 8, 1949 - The French install Bao Dai as puppet head of state in South Vietnam.

    July 1949 - The French establish the (South) Vietnamese National Army.

    October 1949 - Mao Zedong's Communist forces defeat Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist Army in the Chinese civil war. Mao's victory ignites American anti-Communist sentiment regarding Southeast Asia and will result in a White House foreign policy goal of "containment" of Communist expansion in the region.

    1950

    January 1950 - The People's Republic of China and the Soviet Union recognize Ho Chi Minh's Democratic Republic of Vietnam.

    China then begins sending military advisors and modern weapons to the Viet Minh including automatic weapons, mortars, howitzers, and trucks. Much of the equipment is American-made and had belonged to the Chinese Nationalists before their defeat by Mao. With the influx of new equipment and Chinese advisors, General Giap transforms his guerrilla fighters into conventional army units including five light infantry divisions and one heavy division.

    February 1950 - The United States and Britain recognize Bao Dai's French-controlled South Vietnam government.

    February 1950 - Viet Minh begin an offensive against French outposts in North Vietnam near the Chinese border.

    February 7, 1950 - In America, the era of 'McCarthyism' erupts as Senator Joseph R. McCarthy of Wisconsin gives a speech claiming the U.S. State Department harbors Communists. As a consequence of McCarthyism, no U.S. politician is willing to appear to be 'soft' on Communism.

    June 30, 1950 - President Harry S. Truman orders U.S. ground troops into Korea following Communist North Korea's invasion of the South. In his message to the American people, Truman describes the invasion as a Moscow-backed attack by "monolithic world Communism."

    July 26, 1950 - United States military involvement in Vietnam begins as President Harry Truman authorizes $15 million in military aid to the French.

    American military advisors will accompany the flow of U.S. tanks, planes, artillery and other supplies to Vietnam. Over the next four years, the U.S. will spend $3 Billion on the French war and by 1954 will provide 80 percent of all war supplies used by the French.

    September 16, 1950 - General Giap begins his main attack against French outposts near the Chinese border. As the outposts fall, the French lose 6000 men and large stores of military equipment to the Viet Minh.

    September 27, 1950 - The U.S. establishes a Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) in Saigon to aid the French Army.


    Bush HAS liberated two countries, the taliban is not crushed but still has presence in afghanistan that may appear to be growing, al qaeda is not crippled but appears to be growing the insurgency in iraq, he HAS put inspectors in libya and iran but north korea?, and despite trying to call hussein a terrorist 50 million times he was a dictator, tyrant, and despotic ruler, NOT a terrorist. Bush is not the worst in US history, but he certainly isn't the best.
     
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    Come again?

    Did Hussein not govern by intimidation?

    Was he not a radical who employs terror as a political weapon?

    Didn't he unlawfully intimidate and threaten the use of force and violence to further his agenda?

    The answer to all 3 is an emphatic YES, and all 3 are definitions of a terorist and/or terrorism.
     
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    he fits the ultimate definition of a despot, tyrant, dictator. Since he didn't engage in acts of terrorism but more closely may have supported terrorists it would only be logical to place him in the ranks of tyrant, not terrorist.
     
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    Nice timeline DK.

    Yup the U.S. entry in WWII was later on the world stage and only after we were attacked by Japan and Hitler delcared war on us. FDR only had to responed at that point without any political fallout.
     
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    Did Osama actually fly a plane into NYC? Did he float the boats up to the USS Cole? No, he didn't, I guess he isn't a terrorist either.

    Saddam literally meets the definition of a terrorist. There isn't a need to repeat it 50,000 times as you stated, saying it once makes it true.
     
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    How noble of you to make sure Saddam is accurately represented.
     

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