5stringJeff
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pegwinn said:So, exactly how does one get rid of the federal reserve?
Put the dollar back on the gold/silver standard, to start with.
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pegwinn said:So, exactly how does one get rid of the federal reserve?
5stringJeff said:Put the dollar back on the gold/silver standard, to start with.
catatonic said:[snip]
Fair tax woes
1. What is taxed? Here you answer your own question (I will highlight it in blue for you) and follow with an emotion laden discourse. It doesn't work for me. Too many assertions that you are in no position to prove Goods and services for consumption, but not for taking them out of the ground, as the wealthy are inevitably the highest bidder, not with stewardship of those who repackage them, but by the consumers who simply couldn't afford that land with those resources that were free for the wealthy but taxed on the consumers. All they have left is selling their own body, and there are already 2000 corporations doing that illegally because these poor are on their land which they feel gives them the right to harvest their organs (MSNBC for the 2000 reference; Donny Deutsch of all people).
2. Exactly what taxes are abolished? [snip]
How does the rebate work? Instead of guaranteeing the general welfare by guaranteeing an annual consumption available, like the commerce clause states, they have the audacity to limit your consumption and not guarantee it at all. It's a prebate. It levels the playing field. Can you source the commerce clause comment?
Why not just exempt food and medicine from the tax? Wouldnt that be fair and simple? Oh yes. 'Coz it's not like they're going to start graying the issue. The answer is totally, as this is how the poor stay alive. Sorry. The prebate is paid in advance and is intended to offset the value of "need to have". Doesn't matter if you are rich or poor you need X number of calories to stay healthy. So the prebate ensures that you are reimbursed the tax on that food. But why should't we tax the additional food the wealthy purchase for lavish parties? Do you understand now or do we need charts and graphs?
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Yeah, discussion went out the window. Feel free to go back and re-read what I wrote out loud. If you don't get it, then feel free to come back and ask intelligent questions. I will not engage in a flame war unless we exchange addresses. That way if it gets personal, it'll get waaay personal.catatonic said:Yes I absolutely want a discussion, because libertarians always get elected behind the scenes. Well over 90% of them cannot ever win a debate. Since I am not a libertarian, what does this have to do with me?
Their general position has never once won in a debate anywhere. So it's obvious that you probably don't want debate and are trying to paint me as the one who doesn't want discussion because you will lose. LOL ok you keep believing that.
You said for food and medicine they get a prebate to buy their food and medicine.
What good is a prebate?
It's a refund of 23% on food they can't afford anyway. Who cannot afford it? Source? Any proof a'tall? Since when have I not been able to buy my food or changed my mind on what to buy or bought less because the food was taxed? Never. Only a King of the Hill episode would suggest that garbage, when sales tax is intended to create opportunity for the poor. So now it's garbage? And you complain because no one will talk to you.
And what kind of philanthropic garbage are you spewing by saying, we should tax the poor's food because if we don't we won't tax the rich's food???
Hello? There's plenty of food! Farmers are paid not to grow it to keep it cheap. We can genetically engineer fish to 40x scale already anyway.
It's hilarious that you would insinuate keeping a rich man from having a lavish party is more important then whether a poor man can afford the food he needs to survive. Is that how the rich see it? "We're generous because we're not making ourselves fat by starving others?" Nope, the prebate means we are taxing the cost of food above and beyond what is needed. Got proof of starvation in America?
It's taking the control completely out of everyone but the richest... destroying all government... and leaving the fate of the world in the hands of those without representation and often without representation (because the poor do not decide who they are). That is the case in any scenario, and you know I've already backed it up.
pegwinn said:Wouldn't that deflate the dollar quick, fast, and in a hurry? We'd have to trade em in at like four to one y'think? Chaos for how long you think? A year, maybe two?