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RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

At the international level, the politico's recognize that many anti-semetic/anti-Israeli projects are meant to encourage growth in psychopathic and narcissistic stimuli found to be very useful in recruitment of embryonic terrorists; as well as the incitement and encouragement necessary to trigger borderline sociopaths to violent acts.

(COMMENT)

The relevance is to demonstrate that the intent and vector of the conditions I described is not just imaginary but noticed at the higher levels of those interested in promoting peace, not violence.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

At the international level, the politico's recognize that many anti-semetic/anti-Israeli projects are meant to encourage growth in psychopathic and narcissistic stimuli found to be very useful in recruitment of embryonic terrorists; as well as the incitement and encouragement necessary to trigger borderline sociopaths to violent acts.

(COMMENT)

The relevance is to demonstrate that the intent and vector of the conditions I described is not just imaginary but noticed at the higher levels of those interested in promoting peace, not violence.

Most Respectfully,
R
None of this has anything to do with Palestine.

If the UN was interested in peace in Palestine they would not have all of those resolutions sitting around collecting dust.
 
The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, non-sense.

RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

At the international level, the politico's recognize that many anti-semetic/anti-Israeli projects are meant to encourage growth in psychopathic and narcissistic stimuli found to be very useful in recruitment of embryonic terrorists; as well as the incitement and encouragement necessary to trigger borderline sociopaths to violent acts.

(COMMENT)

The relevance is to demonstrate that the intent and vector of the conditions I described is not just imaginary but noticed at the higher levels of those interested in promoting peace, not violence.

Most Respectfully,
R
None of this has anything to do with Palestine.

If the UN was interested in peace in Palestine they would not have all of those resolutions sitting around collecting dust.
(COMMENT)

The Palestinians are not interested in peace, as evidenced by your comment. If the Palestinians were interested in peace, they would have embarked on a path consistent with the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States; not the exact opposite.

It is unlikely that anyone is going to take action against Israel to help install an Radiclized Regime of Arab Palestinians that are purveyors of terrorism to achieve what they could not acquire through civil war, armed aggression and political means.

Any culture (Arab Palestinians) that supports Jihadist, Virulent Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters that exist for no other reason than to conduct bombing, cowardly attacks on unarmed civilians, set ambushes, hijack planes, piracy, fire thousands of rockets indiscriminately, and kidnap teenagers for murder, are exhibiting psychopathic tendencies.

Then they wonder why, over the last (nearly) five decades, security conditions gradually ratcheted-up in order to meet the take all steps in Irael's power to re-establish and insure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while prevented from entertaining the local laws and enforcement that effectively prevent heinous Arab Palestinian acts..

Most Respectfully,
R
 
The Palestinians are not interested in peace, as evidenced by your comment. If the Palestinians were interested in peace, they would have embarked on a path consistent with the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States; not the exact opposite.
And those would be?
 
RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

WOW! I'm sure we discussed this before...

The Palestinians are not interested in peace, as evidenced by your comment. If the Palestinians were interested in peace, they would have embarked on a path consistent with the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States; not the exact opposite.
And those would be?
(COMMENT)

In general the Principles of International Law are opposed to bring under control any people or culture → of which the domination and exploitation constitutes an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation:

√ The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

√ The principle that States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered;

√ The duty not to intervene in matters within the domestic jurisdiction of any State, in accordance with the Charter;

√ The duty of States to co-operate with one another in accordance with the Charter;

√ The principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples;

√ The principle of sovereign equality of States;

√ The principle that States shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the Charter;​

Most Respectfully,
R
 
In general the Principles of International Law are opposed to bring under control any people or culture → of which the domination and exploitation constitutes an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation:

√ The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;
OK, that applies to the Palestinians...

Considering that the denial of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, sovereignty, independence and return to Palestine and the repeated acts of aggression by Israel against the peoples of the region constitute a serious threat to international peace and security,

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights


Where does that apply to Israel?

Link?
 
NOTE: The presentation describes a viewpoint of colonialism (Time Index 9:05 → 10:05) in much the same language I used in Posting #353 of this discussion thread. Except that I did not have an 40 minutes to express my concern. But, rest assured in the notion that I am not "Repulsed by UC Berkeley’s 'Palestine: A Settler Colonial Analysis' course." See Haaretz - Arnon Degani Sep 13, 2016
From your link:

Repulsed by UC Berkeley’s 'Palestine: A Settler Colonial Analysis' course? ‘Settler colonialism’ may have been eagerly adopted by the BDS movement – but early Zionist leaders weren't shy about identifying with it either.
read more: Israel is a Settler Colonial State - and that's OK

Edit:

Berkeley Resumes Palestine Course

Less than a week after the University of California, Berkeley, suspended a student-run course on Palestine, the administration reversed its decision and brought it back.

The one-credit course, called Palestine: A Settler Colonial Analysis, was suspended last Tuesday after members of pro-Israel groups accused it of having “anti-Israel bias.”

The course was reinstated Monday morning after a committee from the Department of Ethnic Studies reviewed the course, which has the purpose of examining “key historical events that have taken place in Palestine … through the lens of settler colonialism,” according to the syllabus.

Palestine course at Berkeley is reinstated after criticisms of violating academic freedom
"Berkeley"?! Antifa Berkeley?! Ha ha ha.
 
In general the Principles of International Law are opposed to bring under control any people or culture → of which the domination and exploitation constitutes an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation:

√ The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;
OK, that applies to the Palestinians...

Considering that the denial of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, sovereignty, independence and return to Palestine and the repeated acts of aggression by Israel against the peoples of the region constitute a serious threat to international peace and security,

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights


Where does that apply to Israel?

Link?

It’s actually comical to see you endlessly cut and and paste the above while at the same time you flail your Pom Poms for the competing, dictatorial Islamic terrorist franchises occupying Gaza’istan and the West Bank.
 
RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH come now! You don't really think that the Arab Palestinian has some special access to
Universal Realization of the right of peoples to self-determination.

As you already know from 49/148 Universal Realization of the Right of Peoples to Self-Determination
(A/RES/49/148)
(1994) applies to everyone; Israeli's included. This Universal Realization is an integral element of basic human rights and fundamental freedoms.

In general the Principles of International Law are opposed to bring under control any people or culture → of which the domination and exploitation constitutes an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation:

√ The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;
OK, that applies to the Palestinians...

Considering that the denial of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, sovereignty, independence and return to Palestine and the repeated acts of aggression by Israel against the peoples of the region constitute a serious threat to international peace and security,

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights.
http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/37/a37r043.htm
Where does that apply to Israel?

Link?
(COMMENT)

Links!!!! We don't need no stink'en links...

Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH come now! You don't really think that the Arab Palestinian has some special access to
Universal Realization of the right of peoples to self-determination.

As you already know from 49/148 Universal Realization of the Right of Peoples to Self-Determination
(A/RES/49/148)
(1994) applies to everyone; Israeli's included. This Universal Realization is an integral element of basic human rights and fundamental freedoms.

In general the Principles of International Law are opposed to bring under control any people or culture → of which the domination and exploitation constitutes an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation:

√ The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;
OK, that applies to the Palestinians...

Considering that the denial of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, sovereignty, independence and return to Palestine and the repeated acts of aggression by Israel against the peoples of the region constitute a serious threat to international peace and security,

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights.
Where does that apply to Israel?

Link?
(COMMENT)

Links!!!! We don't need no stink'en links...

Most Respectfully,
R
From your link:


1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights;​

From my link:

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;​

The Palestinians specifically have the rights of a people under foreign and colonial domination.

Where does that put the foreign colonial government of Israel?
 
From my link:

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the ... all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;​

The Palestinians specifically have the rights of a people under foreign and colonial domination.

Where does that put the foreign colonial government of Israel?

The rights belong to ALL peoples, including the Jewish people. The Jewish people ALSO have the right to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference. The Jewish people ALSO have the right live free from foreign and colonial domination by Arabs.

You DID say that international law applied to Israel, too, didn't you?
 
From my link:

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the ... all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;​

The Palestinians specifically have the rights of a people under foreign and colonial domination.

Where does that put the foreign colonial government of Israel?

The rights belong to ALL peoples, including the Jewish people. The Jewish people ALSO have the right to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference. The Jewish people ALSO have the right live free from foreign and colonial domination by Arabs.

You DID say that international law applied to Israel, too, didn't you?
It does, as a settler colonial project.
 
From my link:

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the ... all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;​

The Palestinians specifically have the rights of a people under foreign and colonial domination.

Where does that put the foreign colonial government of Israel?

The rights belong to ALL peoples, including the Jewish people. The Jewish people ALSO have the right to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference. The Jewish people ALSO have the right live free from foreign and colonial domination by Arabs.

You DID say that international law applied to Israel, too, didn't you?
It does, as a settler colonial project.

You need some new slogans. Something relevant perhaps?
 
From my link:

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the ... all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;​

The Palestinians specifically have the rights of a people under foreign and colonial domination.

Where does that put the foreign colonial government of Israel?

The rights belong to ALL peoples, including the Jewish people. The Jewish people ALSO have the right to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference. The Jewish people ALSO have the right live free from foreign and colonial domination by Arabs.

You DID say that international law applied to Israel, too, didn't you?
It does, as a settler colonial project.

You need some new slogans. Something relevant perhaps?
Israel was a colonial project from the get go.

Leila Farsakh: Mandatory Palestine prior to 1939 - Opposition to British policy and Zionist project

 
From my link:

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the ... all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;​

The Palestinians specifically have the rights of a people under foreign and colonial domination.

Where does that put the foreign colonial government of Israel?

The rights belong to ALL peoples, including the Jewish people. The Jewish people ALSO have the right to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference. The Jewish people ALSO have the right live free from foreign and colonial domination by Arabs.

You DID say that international law applied to Israel, too, didn't you?
It does, as a settler colonial project.

You need some new slogans. Something relevant perhaps?
Israel was a colonial project from the get go.

Leila Farsakh: Mandatory Palestine prior to 1939 - Opposition to British policy and Zionist project



As long as you dun’ seen it on the YouTube, it must be true.

What a hoot.
 
RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not paying very much attention; thinking that the Palestinians have something special that the Israelis do not have.

From your link:

1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights;​

From my link:

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;​

The Palestinians specifically have the rights of a people under foreign and colonial domination.

Where does that put the foreign colonial government of Israel?
(COMMENT)

The Israelis are protected against and have exactly the very same rights as anyone else; including the Palestinians.

√ The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

• The Israelis have the Chapter VII right to defend themselves against the Hostile Arab Palestinians that threaten or actually attempt to use force against the territorial integrity of the State of Israel --- and --- to establish such defensible borders and protective measures as may be necessary for the sovereignty and safety of the Israel people.​

√ The principle that States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered;

• The Israelis have the right to challenge the ambiguous statements about Palestinian preconditions for reviving peace talks; IAW A/RES/34/102. Settlement by peaceful means of disputes between States.​

√ The duty not to intervene in matters within the domestic jurisdiction of any State, in accordance with the Charter;

• Israel has a right to avail itself to international law on the matter of non-intervention in the internal affairs of States; wherein the Arab Palestinians should not otherwise intervene in any way in the internal affairs of other Israel.​

√ The duty of States to co-operate with one another in accordance with the Charter;

• The Arab Palestinians have a duty to cooperate with other Israel in the maintenance of international peace and security;​

√ The principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples;

• Israel has the right under Chapter VII to present a firm opposition to Arab Palestinian acts of military intervention, aggression and occupation, that are intended to resulted in the suppression of the Israeli right to self-determination.​

√ The principle of sovereign equality of States;

• Pursuant to Article 2:1 of the UN Charter, Israel has the right to protect it the sovereign equality in the face of Arab Palestinian acts of aggression, as well as, Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence that threaten Israel economically, politically and in matters of security.
√ The principle that States shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the Charter;

• Israel has no reason, at this point, to believe that the past practices and political-military behaviors of the Arab Palestinians warrant an acceptable risk in making concession, compromises, or allowances that would benefit the Arab Palestinians and weaken Israeli protections and security.​

There has always been a question as to the ability of the Arab Palestinians --- and --- whether or not they were able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world; dating back to the time of the Covenant. It was a question of whether, if ever, such time may come when they are able to stand alone. This is still a question. And there is still the further question as to whether the level of violence originating from this territory will represent anything other than a threat to regional security.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not paying very much attention; thinking that the Palestinians have something special that the Israelis do not have.

From your link:

1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights;​

From my link:

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;​

The Palestinians specifically have the rights of a people under foreign and colonial domination.

Where does that put the foreign colonial government of Israel?
(COMMENT)

The Israelis are protected against and have exactly the very same rights as anyone else; including the Palestinians.

√ The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;

• The Israelis have the Chapter VII right to defend themselves against the Hostile Arab Palestinians that threaten or actually attempt to use force against the territorial integrity of the State of Israel --- and --- to establish such defensible borders and protective measures as may be necessary for the sovereignty and safety of the Israel people.​
√ The principle that States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered;

• The Israelis have the right to challenge the ambiguous statements about Palestinian preconditions for reviving peace talks; IAW A/RES/34/102. Settlement by peaceful means of disputes between States.​
√ The duty not to intervene in matters within the domestic jurisdiction of any State, in accordance with the Charter;

• Israel has a right to avail itself to international law on the matter of non-intervention in the internal affairs of States; wherein the Arab Palestinians should not otherwise intervene in any way in the internal affairs of other Israel.​
√ The duty of States to co-operate with one another in accordance with the Charter;

• The Arab Palestinians have a duty to cooperate with other Israel in the maintenance of international peace and security;​
√ The principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples;

• Israel has the right under Chapter VII to present a firm opposition to Arab Palestinian acts of military intervention, aggression and occupation, that are intended to resulted in the suppression of the Israeli right to self-determination.​
√ The principle of sovereign equality of States;

• Pursuant to Article 2:1 of the UN Charter, Israel has the right to protect it the sovereign equality in the face of Arab Palestinian acts of aggression, as well as, Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence that threaten Israel economically, politically and in matters of security.
√ The principle that States shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the Charter;

• Israel has no reason, at this point, to believe that the past practices and political-military behaviors of the Arab Palestinians warrant an acceptable risk in making concession, compromises, or allowances that would benefit the Arab Palestinians and weaken Israeli protections and security.​

There has always been a question as to the ability of the Arab Palestinians --- and --- whether or not they were able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world; dating back to the time of the Covenant. It was a question of whether, if ever, such time may come when they are able to stand alone. This is still a question. And there is still the further question as to whether the level of violence originating from this territory will represent anything other than a threat to regional security.

Most Respectfully,
R
It is my understanding that colonial powers do not have a right to aggression against a dependent people.
 
RE: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, you are confused in your application of the law. It is the Arabs that either made direct threats to attack --- or --- actually made an attack. By definition, they are the aggressor (albeit unsuccessful aggressors).

It is my understanding that colonial powers do not have a right to aggression against a dependent people.
(COMMENT)

First, Israel is not a colonial power. It is not listed as a colonial power and no Arab Territory anywhere in the Middle East is considered a colonial holding. It has settlements that are authorized under a joint Israeli-Palestinian Agreement under the Oslo II Accords [Area "C" (full Israeli civil and security control)]; .

Second, Israel made no act of aggression against any Arab Palestinian Sovereignty. In 1967, the West Bank was under the sovereign control of the Jordanians, and the Gaza Strip was under the Military Governorship of Egypt. Both of those issue were resolved, independently by Treaty.

Third, Israel has had the right of self-defense from acts of war, Jihadism, Deadly Fedayeen Action, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence, that threaten the peace and security of the Israeli People.

The act of aggression in 1948 (Arab League on mass attacks first), 1967 (Egypt push UN Emergency Force out of the buffer zone and rush the Egyptian Army forward to stage for assault, and Jordan opens up an artillery barrage), and 1973 (surprise attack by multiple Arab League nations), were on the part of the Arab League and the associate Arab Palestinians combatants. The members of the Arab League – used an armed force (or threatened and intimidated the use of an armed force) against the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel --- manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations – was committed.

The territories, often referred to as the territory occupied since 1967, were taken as they were overrun by advancing Israeli Forces in pursuit of Arab aggressor forces in retreat.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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