Bobby Jindal

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    It is great news for Louisiana that the state that almost elected David Duke ten years ago now has an Indian-American as the front-runner in the governor's race. Mr. Jindal seems like a brilliant guy and I'm happy for him. However, I'm afraid it fits the Republican pattern of nominating people like Colin Powell, Condolezza Rice, and JC Watts, while in reality, keeping themselves alienated from 90%+ of black voters.

    A political party should be judged based on the positions they take and not what faces they put on for the outside. For example, in the 1970's Phyllis Schafly organized very effectively against womens' rights. Fortunately she mostly failed but she did succeed in preventing a simple amendment granting gender equality to the constitution. As a consequence things such as Title IX are now under threat. I recently had a staunch Republican on another message board tell me that they should ignore black issues because blacks would never vote for them no matter what. I hope that if Mr. Jindal wins (which he probably will), he will represent diversity not only because the color of his skin, but because of the way he runs his government and the positions he advocates.
     
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    I'll agree that it's great to see an Indian-American in the front.

    As for the rest of your comments:

    Why do you draw these lines? Americans are Americans.
    It's a good situation when a governor represents the
    views of the majority of the people who live in his state.
    We all have the right to vote and we may all be represented.
    What right do you have to tell the blacks in this state or
    that state what they really believe? They will vote on their
    own for what they believe in and the candidate who
    is preferred by the most voters will win.

    Do people like Rice and Watts not have the right to
    make up their own minds? Must they vote with the
    other 90% to really be "black?" Is it wrong to be
    an independent thinker?

    No, sir. Those people should be who they are.
    They should stand up for what they believe in,
    not what you think they should believe in.
     
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    XP, of course they have the right do believe what they want to believe, and do what they want to do. That was not my point at all. My point is that any political party or organization that embraces diversity in the candidates it nominates should also recognize that diversity in its platform; the fact is the majority of blacks and other minorities have issues that are important to them, that is why they vote in a bloc.
     
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    The last thing we need to do is to continue to "recognize diversity." Recognizing diversity means drawing lines
    and making differences distinct. Segregation did that.
    We decided we didn't want that.

    The idea now is to have equality. Now, that doesn't mean
    we all have to thinkand do the same things. We don't have
    to. We can make choices as individuals - as Americans.
     
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    grrr. diversity does not mean "drawing lines". You're thinking of segregation, not a recognition of diversity, two OPPOSING concepts. It's one thing to recognize difference, another to engage in exclusionary practices based on difference. Implicit in the concept of "recognition" is an acknowledgement that difference is not only acceptable but necessary.

    Your analysis of equality vs. difference is 1950s comic book rhetoric, but from your post, I get the impression that your heart is in the right place. "Now, that doesn't mean
    we all have to think and do the same things..." that is precisely what a recognition of diversity guarantees us: that the political parties do not treat us as if we were all middle upper class to filthy rich white businessmen with our interests embedded in corporate America.
     
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    But take a look at what you're doing. You're saying that
    Condoleeza rice ought to act on that recognition, that
    she ought to support certain policies because of it, and
    not others.

    You're doing the same thing the segregationists did - trying to
    tell blacks what they should and should not do. It's not your
    place. Let her vote as an individual and stop insisting that
    these lines be drawn.
     
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    someone took a left turn I think...

    AmericanLiberal said:

    xp said:

    AmericanLiberal's post implied nothing as to what Rice, Watts, et al should do, rather he seems to me to be stating that the republican party has displayed a trend of putting black faces in visible positions to try and win support from the black demographic but that their actual policies do not seem to address the needs of that very demographic.
     
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    jejeje.

    YEAH! What Aquarian said!

    jejeje.

    Sorry, I'm just being silly. Don't mind me.
     
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    short interuption, I gotta ask... what's with the jejeje's?
     
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    laughter. (hehehe. in Spanish.)


    I like it better because the Spanish "j" is more gutteral.
     

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