Birthers Show Their True Colors While Eating Their Own

[SAT]

I've come to the definite conclusion that it only takes most types. Not all types.

 

[Stephanie]

I've come to the definite conclusion that it only takes most types. Not all types.

so tolerant of you.

 

[SAT]

Is tolerance the issue?

 

[Dot Com]

steffie on the wrong side of history again

 

[Queen]

Hey birthers! You have a new one. Did you hear Rick Perry's a birther now!? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dot Com]

go birfers go!!!

 

[Full-Auto]

go birfers go!!!

THE ISSUE HAS RUN ITS COURSE.


Were just not going to be able to get Obama to spend any more money to keep it suppressed.

 

[Stephanie]

steffie on the wrong side of history again

oh yawn..

 

[SAT]

go birfers go!!!

THE ISSUE HAS RUN ITS COURSE.


Were just not going to be able to get Obama to spend any more money to keep it suppressed.

It's never been suppressed by Obama or the media.

 

[Queen]

go birfers go!!!

THE ISSUE HAS RUN ITS COURSE.


Were just not going to be able to get Obama to spend any more money to keep it suppressed.

Are you kidding? Obama loves it. He milked it all the way till right before he put the hit on Osama Bin Laden. He knows it makes Rick Perry look like a total idiot. It's a gift to the Obama admin.

Keep it up birthers! You're doing great.

 

[USArmyRetired]

Natural/native

Tomayto/tomato

In essence, yes.

There is no legal distinction between ‘natural born’ and ‘citizen’:

Citizenship status of Barack Obama's parents

The forwarded email asserts that because Obama's Kenyan father wasn't a U.S. citizen, and because his mother, who was a citizen, didn't fulfill the supposed legal requirement of "resid[ing] in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16," Obama himself was therefore not a citizen at birth.

That is false on two counts:

Obama was born on U.S. soil — in Honolulu, Hawaii — and was therefore a citizen at birth by virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment (and the principle of jus soli).

The stated residency requirement, in effect between 1952 and 1986, applied only to parents of individuals born outside the United States.

Therefore Barack Obama is, in fact, a U.S. citizen.

But some still argue that he is not a natural-born citizen. The reasons have to do with the disputed meaning of the term "natural born" itself.

'Natural born' vs. 'native born'

In lawsuits challenging Obama's Constitutional eligibility it has been argued that while birth on U.S. soil confers "birthright" or "native-born" citizenship, it does not confer natural-born citizenship unless both parents are also U.S. citizens. Citing precedents they claim establish the Framers' intent to disqualify individuals who could possess dual nationality or dual allegiance by virtue of having a foreign national for a parent, these litigants assert that such an individual ought not to be regarded as a natural-born citizen eligible to hold the office of the presidency (see Leo D'Onofrio, "Why Obama Is Ineligible - Regardless of His Birthplace").

But among Constitutional scholars the distinction between "natural born" and "native born" is not universally accepted as a crucial one. Short of a Supreme Court decision or legislative statute settling the matter, it remains but one way of interpreting a longstanding legal ambiguity concerning the eligibility clause. There are other interpretations, most notably that found in an analysis of Republican presidential candidate John McCain's standing as a natural-born citizen conducted by former U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson and Constitutional law professor Laurence Tribe in 2008. In their view — "based," Tribe and Olson wrote, "on the original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers' intentions, and subsequent legal precedent" — either the fact of birth on U.S. soil or the fact of birth to parents who are U.S. citizens is independently sufficient to confer natural born status.

Is Barack Obama a Natural-Born Citizen? - Urban Legends

So one realizes ‘natural born’ status via either parents or birth, both are not required. Obama consequently meets the ‘natural born’ requirement of the Constitution.

As far as ‘a Supreme Court decision or legislative statute settling the matter,’ the former won’t happen as Kerchner v. Obama was denied cert last November and any measure passed by the latter will have no effect on Obama.

Kerchner vs Obama was never heard on the merits. It was dismissed on a technicality. No discovery was ever filed or attempted. The case never got that far. Your statements are totally wrong above. Native and Natural born are two different subsets of a Citizen. See my chart above. Natural born Citizen is what Article 2 Section 1 calls for, not Native born in order to be president. If putative President, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii, he can be a Fourteenth Amendment born "citizen of the United States." But because he was not born to a father who wasn't a U.S. citizen when he was born (he was born to a father who was a British citizen), he is not and cannot be a "natural born Citizen." He is therefore not eligible to be President and Commander in Chief. The Founders and Framers wrote "natural born Citizen," not "born" "citizen," they did not rely upon English common law to define a "natural born Citizen". They relied upon natural law and the law of nations to define national citizenship in the new republic, Wong Kim Ark only defined what a "citizen of the United States" is under the 14th Amendment, not an Article II "natural born Citizen". McCain was declare a natural born citizen because he was born to TWO citizen parents. Senate Resolution 511 confirms it.

 

[Queen]

go birfers go!!!

THE ISSUE HAS RUN ITS COURSE.


Were just not going to be able to get Obama to spend any more money to keep it suppressed.

It's never been suppressed by Obama or the media.

I don't think it's possible to have a logical fact filled conversation with a birther. Just sayin'.

 

[USArmyRetired]

go birfers go!!!

THE ISSUE HAS RUN ITS COURSE.


Were just not going to be able to get Obama to spend any more money to keep it suppressed.

It's never been suppressed by Obama or the media.

Then why has Obama sent defense attorneys to fight it from being released? He is still doing it after the abstract was released in April.

 

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steffie on the wrong side of history again

oh yawn..

you bothered to post a reply stef

 

[Stephanie]

steffie on the wrong side of history again

oh yawn..

you bothered to post a reply stef

yawn..is all the bother I have for you.
but whatever blows your mini skirt up

 

[Dot Com]

oh yawn..

you bothered to post a reply stef

yawn..is all the bother I have for you.
but whatever blows your mini skirt up

Who's your avatar going to be after the next election stef?

 

[Lakhota]

By Jillian Rayfield

The case dates back to April 2010 when Huff, carrying a Colt .45 and an AK-47, went to Tennessee to conduct citizens’ arrests on officials. Huff, a member of the Oath Keepers, said he going to support Walter Francis Fitzpatrick, a leader of the birther and Patriot group American Grand Jury, who was arrested for trying to perform a citizen’s arrest on a Grand Jury foreman. Fitzpatrick was angry that court officials didn’t let him pursue a Grand Jury trial against “illegal alien, infiltrator and impostor” President Obama, and other “domestic enemies.”

In his trial last week, Huff teared up on the stand when he said: “my government has called me a potential domestic terrorist.”

More: Birther Oathkeeper Convicted In Attempted Courthouse Takeover | TPMMuckraker

Huffington Post: Darren Wesley Huff, Georgia Birther, Convicted Of Plot To Take Over Courthouse To Topple Obama

 

[MarcATL]

Birthers are actually Constitutionalist who want Article 2 Section 1 to be upheld to the fullest. They are American patriots. Obama never met the requirement and neither does Rubio or Jindal if they decide to run.

Are you serious? You're a birther?

Someone get the man some medication. On another note, why are we talking about birthers? The X-files had much more interesting conspiracies that were alot more realistic.

In his case, just a substitute for a rabid racist.

 

[SAT]

Kerchner vs Obama was never heard on the merits. It was dismissed on a technicality. No discovery was ever filed or attempted. The case never got that far. Your statements are totally wrong above. Native and Natural born are two different subsets of a Citizen. See my chart above. Natural born Citizen is what Article 2 Section 1 calls for, not Native born in order to be president. If putative President, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii, he can be a Fourteenth Amendment born "citizen of the United States." But because he was not born to a father who wasn't a U.S. citizen when he was born (he was born to a father who was a British citizen), he is not and cannot be a "natural born Citizen." He is therefore not eligible to be President and Commander in Chief. The Founders and Framers wrote "natural born Citizen," not "born" "citizen," they did not rely upon English common law to define a "natural born Citizen". They relied upon natural law and the law of nations to define national citizenship in the new republic, Wong Kim Ark only defined what a "citizen of the United States" is under the 14th Amendment, not an Article II "natural born Citizen". McCain was declare a natural born citizen because he was born to TWO citizen parents. Senate Resolution 511 confirms it.

There are no merits to the case. These actions have been brought repeatedly, and they are jokes.

Obama had lawyers who went to court on his behalf because that's what you do when you are sued. You get a lawyer. Is this news to you?

Obama released his long form birth certificate. You saw it.

14th Amendment citizens are citizens, just like I am. There are only two kinds of citizens. Your chart is just something somebody made up. It's not evidence.

 

[USArmyRetired]

Kerchner vs Obama was never heard on the merits. It was dismissed on a technicality. No discovery was ever filed or attempted. The case never got that far. Your statements are totally wrong above. Native and Natural born are two different subsets of a Citizen. See my chart above. Natural born Citizen is what Article 2 Section 1 calls for, not Native born in order to be president. If putative President, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii, he can be a Fourteenth Amendment born "citizen of the United States." But because he was not born to a father who wasn't a U.S. citizen when he was born (he was born to a father who was a British citizen), he is not and cannot be a "natural born Citizen." He is therefore not eligible to be President and Commander in Chief. The Founders and Framers wrote "natural born Citizen," not "born" "citizen," they did not rely upon English common law to define a "natural born Citizen". They relied upon natural law and the law of nations to define national citizenship in the new republic, Wong Kim Ark only defined what a "citizen of the United States" is under the 14th Amendment, not an Article II "natural born Citizen". McCain was declare a natural born citizen because he was born to TWO citizen parents. Senate Resolution 511 confirms it.

There are no merits to the case. These actions have been brought repeatedly, and they are jokes.

Obama had lawyers who went to court on his behalf because that's what you do when you are sued. You get a lawyer. Is this news to you?

Obama released his long form birth certificate. You saw it.

14th Amendment citizens are citizens, just like I am. There are only two kinds of citizens. Your chart is just something somebody made up. It's not evidence.

Hey do yourself a favor. Look at the 14th Amendment real well and copy and paste where you see the specific term 'natural born Citizen' like it is used specifically in Article 2 Section 1 and paste it for us all to see. If not just tell us where the actual term is used in it.