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a demo? hmmm...why isnt he marching to the party line, or is he?
other than it being a complete waste of time and tax payer funds?a demo? hmmm...why isnt he marching to the party line, or is he?
It sounds to me like he wants to end this thing once and for all. I've believed he was born in Hawaii since the Hawaiian governor ( a republican) confirmed it. However if the White House tries to block this bill that might throw up red flag because if he has nothing to hide, there is no reason to stop this proposed bill.
a demo? hmmm...why isnt he marching to the party line, or is he?
It sounds to me like he wants to end this thing once and for all. I've believed he was born in Hawaii since the Hawaiian governor ( a republican) confirmed it. However if the White House tries to block this bill that might throw up red flag because if he has nothing to hide, there is no reason to stop this proposed bill.
What If Obama Really Were Born in Kenya?An Explainer thought experiment.
By Brian PalmerPosted Monday, Aug. 3, 2009, at 5:54 PM ET
Despite a congressional resolution affirming President Obama's U.S. birth and a reaffirmation of his birth certificate's authenticity from Hawaiian officials, media outlets continue to air frivolous allegations that the president was born in Kenya, rendering him ineligible for the presidency. Let's pretend, for just a moment, that the birthers had credible evidence that Obama was foreign-born. Then what would happen?
Resignation, impeachment, or nothing. If Obama stood his ground, and Congress stood by him, then the only way to legally remove him from office would be for someone to sue. Problem is, no one would have standing to bring such a lawsuit. To establish standing, a plaintiff must show that he has suffered an injury personal to him, that the defendant caused the injury, and that the court could provide a remedy. That turns out to be an impossible task.
Average citizens could not show a personalized injury because Obama's allegedly illegitimate presidency would impact everyone in roughly the same way. Courts invariably dismiss such claims, like the 1937 case alleging that Justice Hugo Black was ineligible to serve because as a member of Congress he had voted to increase the justices' salaries. Even membership in much smaller aggrieved groups generally doesn't work. The Supreme Court rejected a suit brought by parents of African-American children challenging the IRS's lax enforcement of anti-discrimination laws and another by legislators who claimed their voting rights were diluted by the line-item veto. In both cases, the communal nature of the injury precluded standing. Thus the lawsuit of Army Maj. Stefan Cook, who argued that his pending deployment to Afghanistan by an illegitimate president constituted a particularized injury, was doomed to failure. (The case was mooted when the Pentagon canceled his deployment.)
Obama's opponents in the 2008 presidential election can show injury, since their personal presidential ambitions were thwarted. Indeed, Alan Keyes has filed a lawsuit making just that claim. In order to get Obama out of the White House, however, Keyes would have to show that his injury could be redressed by the court. But the most a judge could do would be to remove Obama from office, making Joseph Biden the president. Keyes would be in the same boat he's in now.
Even if someone could establish standing for such a case, the courts might refuse to hear it under a prudential limitation called the political question doctrine. This states that courts will not settle questions that the Constitution clearly assigns to other branches. Because Congress can challenge the president's credentials during the vote-counting process and impeach him at any time, presidential eligibility is a classic political question. (Before the Inauguration, some argued that state courts, which operate under different rules from federal courts, might hear cases challenging the candidates' eligibility to appear on state ballots. This is highly unlikely now that Congress has ratified the election results.)
Of course, Congress could always vote to impeach Obama. In the words of then-Rep. Gerald Ford, R-Mich., during his attempt to impeach Justice William Douglas for questionable financial dealings, "an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers [it] to be at a given moment in history." Just as the political question doctrine would prevent Orly Taitz from removing Obama from office, it would stop him from challenging his impeachment in court. (Impeachment would not invalidate the actions Obama took while in office.)
Obama is not the first to face these allegations. President Chester Arthur endured years of unsubstantiated rumors that he was born on the wrong side of the Vermont-Canada border. Some opponents questioned Herbert Hoover's eligibility as well. Hoover met the Constitutional requirement of having been a resident within the United States for 14 years, but those years were not consecutive, and the Founding Fathers weren't clear on whether the distinction matters. Neither case made it to court.
Ah Bolshevik, the classic right wing fanaticism one would expect from a true conservative like yourself lol. Please do keep on with your conspiricy theories with not much in the way of actual evidence or content aside from what is your obviously warped perception. Lol I have my head up my ass you say lol, coming from the one who yet again can't provide a shred of evidence to prove Obama wasn't born in the United States.
Let's put it this way def, there's just as much evidence he wasn't born here as there is, and that's really just secondary to the fact that his father was a subject of Britain, clearly negating obama from being a natural born citizen. But then there's the thing about he was adopted by his step dad and spent years in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, going to school there as a "MUSLIM." Clearly, he couldn't have done that and be an "American citizen."
No, you people defending him defend him on the most flimsy, non verifiable BULL SHIT there is. But I know why... you all belong to the obama ass licking club...
i thought you were leaving?I wonder why the wierdos are ignoring the National Review article.
Seems there is a first time for everything.
More drivel from another puke. Pat yourself on the back bro, you just made BH's bottomfeeder list. You guys are so worried that the truth is gonna come out. When it does, we will see who the nutcases truly are. ~BH
I don't know whether I should be honored or frightened to be on a birther wingnut's list.
~BH
But then there's the thing about he was adopted by his step dad and spent years in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, going to school there as a "MUSLIM." Clearly, he couldn't have done that and be an "American citizen."
Lol you aren't the brightest crayon in the box are you there Pale Rider lol? So because his mom is an American, and his dad was say a citizen of Britain. You're saying it isn't possible for an American woman to give birth to her son in the United States because the father was a Kenyan subject of Britain lol? Or that Obama's step dad who legally was the equivelant of "HIS DAD" went through with an adoption of Obama, when in one aspect he was already considered his fathe already lol??? Or that for some reason you feel it's impossible for American born "MUSLIMS" to go abroad to study?? I didn't know that wasn't a possibility, ha ha strange.
Perhaps you should take a look at these birth announcements from Hawaii's two major news papers the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin from August 4th, 1961. Cue the acusations of a left-wing conspiracy in 3........2...........1.........
yeah, cause FNC is ALL over the birgfer thingBut then there's the thing about he was adopted by his step dad and spent years in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, going to school there as a "MUSLIM." Clearly, he couldn't have done that and be an "American citizen."
Lol you aren't the brightest crayon in the box are you there Pale Rider lol? So because his mom is an American, and his dad was say a citizen of Britain. You're saying it isn't possible for an American woman to give birth to her son in the United States because the father was a Kenyan subject of Britain lol? Or that Obama's step dad who legally was the equivelant of "HIS DAD" went through with an adoption of Obama, when in one aspect he was already considered his fathe already lol??? Or that for some reason you feel it's impossible for American born "MUSLIMS" to go abroad to study?? I didn't know that wasn't a possibility, ha ha strange.
Perhaps you should take a look at these birth announcements from Hawaii's two major news papers the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin from August 4th, 1961. Cue the acusations of a left-wing conspiracy in 3........2...........1.........
Actually, I believe he's trying to say that you can't be a Muslim and an American citizen. LOL. FoxNews Brainwashing I guess...
actually, they didLol of course one can't be a Muslim and also an actual American now, lol that couldn't happen.
What I find funny about all of this is people are up in arms about Obama having studied at a muslim school, and not publically releasing hi birth certificate. But good ol" John McCain wasn't even born in an American state, rather a US military base in Panama. But has anyone asked him to prove he was born in a US territory lol? Can anyone prove his mother wasn't on a holiday in a neighboring country? Let's call it what it is, a paranoia over the fact that a black man with the middle name Hussein is the president of the United States, and the hardcore right wingers just don't like the fact lol. Give some actual proof people, or seriously give it a rest.
sorry, you confuse me with the birfersDiveCon, they WERE all over it in the past, but smartly they've moved on. Fail by you. Again.
you totally missed the pointMy point Divecon is that no matter how you look at it this whole thing is stupid! I mean people are going to the point of pretty much claiming a goverment wide cover-up of an accusation of our now president being a foreign born national, all because he doesn't want to release his birth certificate to the public. I haven't seen a shred of actual evidence that someone missed the fact of him not being a citizen on the check list of things to look out for when one becomes the president. You know someone on here actually made a very valid point, what if his hand written birth certificate had a mistake or something on it. Even my own great grandmother had a mistake on her birth certificate where she had to go through the process of getting issued a correction of record in order to try and correct it, and from the early 1900's into the 60's and 70"s I've heard that wasn't uncommon especially when it came to people of color. Some people because of screwed up record keeping aren't even able to fix the mistakes, like unfortunately my great grandmother wasn't even able to. On her birth certificate she's listed as White, when she is actually White and largely Native American. Could u imagine what the hardcore right wingers would do if Obama was the victim of a similar situation as my great grandmother, you just never know what his reasons are for not releasing a hand written copy, but there are many possibilities. But if he isn't a citizen everyone on here can call names and play keyboard warrior all you want to. But none of that matters if you're just spouting rhetoric, and can't prove the fact.
sorry, you confuse me with the birfersDiveCon, they WERE all over it in the past, but smartly they've moved on. Fail by you. Again.
thats your failure
WHAT???sorry, you confuse me with the birfersDiveCon, they WERE all over it in the past, but smartly they've moved on. Fail by you. Again.
thats your failure
Not so much. Try to keep up. I didn't call you a birther...I simply refuted your claim that FNC didn't promote the birther theory.
You did. They didn't. I win.
Back to the kiddie table for you.
