Bill and Hillary's Electability Myths

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    The crux of Bill and Hillary Clinton’s argument regarding her "electability" has been two-fold. One is that she is the only candidate who can beat John McCain, based on their assessment of electoral votes needed to win the election, and the other is that without the support of white, middle-class, male voters Obama can’t win in November. I would like to try today to put both of these theories to rest and also make a point about the foolishness of depending on polls 6 months out from an election.

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    Did you WRITE that article? It's just as irrelevant as your posts. It claims that polls now mean nothing about actual elections. Guess what, we don't know what the polls in November could look like. But it makes more sense to go with the strongest candidate now, not the one that COULD be stronger in six months. What's more likely? That Clinton can maintain a lead in swing states, or Obama can close 10 point gaps?
     
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    Even though IMO she has the strongest chance to win against McCain, the Obama camp's repeatedly portraying her as a racist means she cannot win. I'm sure they wouldn't stop pretending she is one if she won the nominee.
     
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    If Clinton does pull off a miracle and takes the nomination, Obama will put everything he can behind her. He will run again after she takes office, and he is not going to do anything to jeopardize that future prospect of his. He can't afford to jeopardize her chances at the presidency if she wins the nominations, while she can afford not to back him 100%.oo
     
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    Remember the old red state/blue state maps of the last two elections? I suggest you take a good look at them. Obama is losing to another Democrat in the same areas both Gore and Kerry lost.

    It really doesn't matter what Bill and or Hillary say. It matters what independent and moderate conservative voters say because THEY have decided every election since '72.

    IMO, I would consider voting for Hillary running against McCain. I will under no circumstances vote for Obama. And that's what I keep hearing from independents and moderate conservatives.

    But don't look at any of the facts. Vote for Obama.

    Isn't this all a matter of academics at this point anyway? Extremist leftists and the MSM have hijacked the Democrat nomination. Nothing really left but the formal announcement.

    So I'd say you need to quit beating this dead horse and try to figure out how you're going to get an elitist, ultra-liberal Obama over on McCain. I'm sure a smear campaign like the one run against Hillary might work.
     
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    At this point, I really do wish Hillary would run as an independent. I wish she'd said, "Fuck liberals" and start a third party. Hell, I wish McCain would say, "Fuck conservatives" and do the same thing.

    Moderates need their own party.
     
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    IIRC, someone told me she would have to declare herself as an independent candidate by a certain date or she isn't eligible to run.

    What I would like to see is everyone on both sides write in candidates other than those chosen by the parties.

    What happens THEN? Remember we don't have a "right" to vote for President. Does the machine completely ignore the people and still put one of the two candidates chosen by the parties in office?

    If nothing else, it would show "we, the people" just exactly where we stand. At the whim of a political machine that no longer represents us.
     
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    It wouldn't be a miracle. It would be insider politics at it's best...err..worst. :)
     
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    The members of the Democratic party have the right to select whatever candidate they want.

    That's life.
     

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