Big protests in Arizona

[The T]

I don't disagree. I'm not in favor of sending everyone home. I am in favor of them building a doggone fence and bringing all our troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq and putting them on the border. This is ridiculous. but don't put McCain's name on anything.. that asswipe has looked the other way for years.

Yea, let's pull the troops out BEFORE we finish the job.... again.... cuz that worked real well last time didn't it? oh wait.... no, we had to go back to Iraq. Simplistic answers are never simple. And, since my family are directly affected, I'd quite like for them not to have to go back.

As far as I know, we never had to go back to Vietnam after we let them fight for their own damned dirt....Turned out that most of them seemed perfectly happy to give in and live under commies....Kinda like republicans.

See : Khmer Rouge

 

[Oddball]

That's Cambodia.

See: Mission creep.

 

[The T]

That's Cambodia.

See: Mission creep.

Yep. Understood.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It seems that this law is not making people in Arizona happy.

Yeah, the ones breaking it.

 

[Yurt]

It seems that this law is not making people in Arizona happy.

seems obama's healthcare law isn't making people happy....lets see...what do you tell them?

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[Cecilie1200]

Does that go for the Freedom Riders of the 1960s, or do you think students at the University of Mississippi helped organize the effort?

In this case, the brilliant, compassionate and liberty loving statesmen of Arizona are taking jurisdiction of the federal border. They want basically a "pass law" enacted after other repressive regimes have tried it and ultimately failed. But, they must be Conservatives. They simply don't learn from their own mistakes because they fail to learn history.

Taking jurisdiction from the INS.

Doesn't that make this case a national one by default?

It is a national problem, once they leave mexico and come through Az they go everywhere.
This law will be challenged in court, federal court. We all know and expect it. That will likely bring to light the fact this law addresses a federal responsibility that the federal government is not living up to. maybe it will force the federal government to act. That is the hope here anyway.

However; bringing in protesters from another state to try to influence a governor to sign or not sign a state bill into law is detrimental in a way that the protesters and the organizers of the out of state protesters probobly did not plan on.

It allows to governor to totally dismiss ALL the protesters as being from out of state. She doesn't have to worry about them at all, because they have no vote in the state.
Those that do live in the state, and are part of the protest then become as minimized as the out of state protesters. That was what i was pointing out.

I live in a very rural area of the state in a small town and have not met anyone that opposes the bill. Butthen last year we had one of our deputies killed by illegals. We are not guessing, they were caught, we know they were illegals and were smuggling drugs and people and were armed.

Should the governor dismiss all protests out of hand because there are out of state people involved, the governor would be showing the short-sightedness endemic to Conservative governors. If Wallace dismissed all Civil Rights protests because not every marcher was from Alabama, he would be seeking shallow comfort and showing incredibly myopic leadership.

The Arizona law as proposed is basically Jim Crow for the Brown rather than the Black. All Americans should protest this bit of bigotry.

Easy for you to get on your high leftist horse and make lofty pronouncements about Jim Crow from your position just about as frigging far from the tidal wave of illegal immigrants as you can possibly get. From my position one hour from the Mexican border, may I cordially invite you to bite me? It's not YOUR city with an astronomically high crime rate, YOUR police force being overwhelmed, YOUR hospitals being run out of business, YOUR school districts being crippled, and YOUR taxes being affected, now is it?

Meanwhile, perhaps you could spare us the conveniently vague moral posturing and be just a hair more specific about how this constitutes "Jim Crow for the Brown" (and isn't THAT a rather racist-sounding designation?). I know I'm waiting with baited breath for your wisdom on this, oh Armchair Border Warrior.

 

[Cecilie1200]

this law is nothing more than the repressive "pass laws" of south africa reborn in the arizona desert. Under this law, any local arizona cop can stop any latino and ask for his papers. As you know, latinos are the largest minority in the country. Many latinos are here legally or are american citizens.then they should appreciate what is being done for them. I'm an american and i have to show my papers, and my feet, and my whole body is scanned when the authorities deem it necessary and before you give me "it saves lives" bs i dare you to tell me how many americans die at the hands of illegals vs how many die on a plane because of terrorists. .

enforcement of the immigration laws falls to federal authorities at the border and at the employer.how is the federal government doing in your opinion??? not to the local constabulary on the streets of arizona.

This solution is jim crow for the brown rather than the black. You're not gaining liberty with these gestapo tactics, you're erasing it. how is proving you have a right to be in the country gestapo.. Name one country who doesn't enforce immigration laws.

justice for the victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants cannot be found by harassing everyone who looks latino.

how is proving citizenship harassment? I have to show my papers and my feet and my whole body when boarding an airplane. If i fly to france or canada or mexico i must have papers to prove citizenship do i not/ so cry us a fucking river.

When you fly you have to comply with certain regulations. There is an implied contract. Show my ID at the airport? Fine. You are assuring our safety. The same goes for buying alcohol. Show my ID? Fine. I'm buying a regulated substance and I should have to prove my age.

Under this law, all you have to do is look Latino in order to get stopped and asked for papers. Are there any other circumstances when you can walk peacefully down a street and get stopped by a cop? Is this harassment? Absolutely! That's the definition of harassment.

Driving while Black. Looking Latino. Excuses for Conservatives to lean on minorities.

And then you must reap the whirlwind.

Ever wonder how that "Stop Snitchin"" attitude began? Cops harassing young Black folks simply for being Black. And now the levels of mistrust between the Black community and the law enforcement community have rendered both to ruin.

Try it with the nation's largest minority and in ten years time you will have a dysfunctional Latino community which mistrusts the police.

Why can't Conservatives learn from their own mistakes and the lessons of history?

Why can't leftists learn to stop lying?

Either show me the exact place in this law that calls for the police to stop people for "looking Latino" or shut the smuck up with your disingenuous fear-mongering.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It seems that this law is not making people in Arizona happy.

seems obama's healthcare law isn't making people happy....lets see...what do you tell them?

I'd say this immigrant law has more support among Arizona voters than Obamacare does among American voters. Interesting how putzes like TM are SOOOO concerned about public opinion . . . unless they think it doesn't agree with them.

 

[WillowTree]

It seems that this law is not making people in Arizona happy.

seems obama's healthcare law isn't making people happy....lets see...what do you tell them?

bump

if you izz a white guy you will turn blu before she answers.. you know that donchya??

 

[Alpha1]

It seems that this law is not making people in Arizona happy.

6.5 million people in the state...what makes you imagine that 1000, give or take, is representative of "the people"....?

is it because you're a peckerhead ?

 

[Political Junky]

It's the end of Gov. Brewer's career. She obviously did it for purely partisan reasons.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It's the end of Gov. Brewer's career. She obviously did it for purely partisan reasons.

Oh, yeah. Going against the leftist conventional wisdom is ALWAYS a political career-ender in Arizona.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It's the end of Gov. Brewer's career.

Based on what, other than you saying so?

She obviously did it for purely partisan reasons.

How is it obvious? What are those partisan reasons exactly?

My understanding of Brewer is that she's fairly moderate. At least conservatives don't seem to like her much. Her political career hasn't been doing so great as it is anyway. Not sure if this will matter or not.

 

[mudwhistle]

Anybody see any bottle throwing going on at the Tea-party rallies?

Did anyone see any violence like we witnessed today in Arizona from these people?

All of the nastiness the Tea-party was accused of and then some was on display by the left and Illegal Immigration supporters....and that lousy fuck Obama was on their side.

Anyone catch what he had to say about the new law? It was fucken disgraceful.

 

[JakeStarkey]

It's the end of Gov. Brewer's career. She obviously did it for purely partisan reasons.

I think it has solidified her own political position well in Arizona, and she certainly provides a politically attractive alternative to Mad Michelle and Sad Sarah.

The downside is that the law will drive the largest ethnic minority in America, excluding females, completely into the Democratic camps.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Anybody see any bottle throwing going on at the Tea-party rallies?

Did anyone see any violence like we witnessed today in Arizona from these people?

All of the nastiness the Tea-party was accused of and then some was on display by the left and Illegal Immigration supporters....and that lousy fuck Obama was on their side.

Anyone catch what he had to say about the new law? It was fucken disgraceful.

BHO was correct, irresponsible non-action at the federal level leads to worse action at the state level. Absolutely correct, whistle.

 

[Polk]

Okay? So? I hadn't seen it.

Nor do I know who it is that is holding that sign.

Nor am I certain that is AT a tea party rally.

I suspect as you do, that the guy IS a tea party protester, but, that does not make it so.

I said weeks ago, that if the Tea Party wants to improve their image they have to denounce any such behavior including the use of the N-word to Congressmen.

I am not a tea party protester. I have never been to one of their events. I have no intention of attending one. I have only once heard a speech from a tea party rally and that was the other day when I clicked on a link here on site.

I commented then that I didn't like the rhetoric.

What do you want me to do or say? Do you want me to behave like the rest of the left wing and scream that everyone who attends a tea party rally is a racist? Ain't gonna happen as I have not been to one of their events.

Immie

I don't need to suspect it. It's a picture from their protest last fall.

And you jump to the conclusion, that the person who is holding that sign is actually a protester who agrees with the tea party.

I suspect he is, but that does not make it so... politics cause people to do dishonest things including showing up at events of the opponent and making them look like imbeciles and/or racists.

Immie

That argument would be a lot more credible if it was a one-shot occurrence. Noting there are hundreds of similar signs, one of two things are true:
1. The number of opponents showing up at the rallies to make them look stupid is larger than the movement itself.
2. The tea party is filled with idiots.

Option two is the far more likely occurrence.

 

[Polk]

Okay? So? I hadn't seen it.

Nor do I know who it is that is holding that sign.

Nor am I certain that is AT a tea party rally.

I suspect as you do, that the guy IS a tea party protester, but, that does not make it so.

I said weeks ago, that if the Tea Party wants to improve their image they have to denounce any such behavior including the use of the N-word to Congressmen.

I am not a tea party protester. I have never been to one of their events. I have no intention of attending one. I have only once heard a speech from a tea party rally and that was the other day when I clicked on a link here on site.

I commented then that I didn't like the rhetoric.

What do you want me to do or say? Do you want me to behave like the rest of the left wing and scream that everyone who attends a tea party rally is a racist? Ain't gonna happen as I have not been to one of their events.

Immie

I don't need to suspect it. It's a picture from their protest last fall.

You say it yourself and still don't see the point...... ONE sign. TWO signs. How many were not offensive? Overlook the tens of thousands of signs and find the one that you can single out to make a point.

And you wonder why some of us think you are an ass?

One or two? Try hundreds.

And I'll answer your question with a question. What makes you think I care what you think?

 

[Polk]

So how do the people against "big gubmint" square that belief with their support for the Papers Please law?

 

[Cecilie1200]

So how do the people against "big gubmint" square that belief with their support for the Papers Please law?

Why don't you people ever grasp the difference between "small government" and "no government"?