Biden's Ukraine Doctrine causing new rise of German power

[Polishprince]

What could go wrong here?

in the 20th Century, Germany exercised power in 2 major cases when they were lead by the Kaiser and Mr. Hitler. Briefly speaking, they did not stay on their best behavior.

Those who don't know history, are condemned to repeat it, and Sleepy Joe was apparently taking a nap during the class in school.

Germany Comes to Grips With Its Hard-Power Role in Europe

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has ripped up the postwar political consensus and unsettled policymakers in Berlin.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[1srelluc]

 

[alexa]

What could go wrong here?

in the 20th Century, Germany exercised power in 2 major cases when they were lead by the Kaiser and Mr. Hitler. Briefly speaking, they did not stay on their best behavior.

Those who don't know history, are condemned to repeat it, and Sleepy Joe was apparently taking a nap during the class in school.

Germany Comes to Grips With Its Hard-Power Role in Europe

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has ripped up the postwar political consensus and unsettled policymakers in Berlin.

www.bloomberg.com

I think to possibly a large degree there are still two Germanys and it is the East which I think are the dangerous one. It is here that there is the biggest rise in the AFD while the West keeps strong hold on 'never again'. I felt Trump was an idiot demanding Germany get into making more arms. The East is well wanting to be the strongest power in Europe. I wonder if it is the need/desire to placate the hard right in Germany that is the real reason for what they claim below.

Since reunification, Germany has grown into its status as Europe’s biggest economy and most populous nation, albeit more slowly than some would want. Anchored in NATO and the EU, it now has to take on the unfamiliar challenges and responsibilities that will inevitably come from being Europe’s preeminent military power, too.

It’s a difficult prospect for many Germans to digest, and one that would once have sparked fear among its European neighbors, especially to the east. Russia’s aggression has changed that. “I don’t think it’s a problem for us to become a hard power when we’re seeing what the Russians are doing in Ukraine,” says Stelzenmueller of Brookings. The change under way in Germany, she adds, “has been nothing short of astonishing.”

your article.

 

[theHawk]

I think to possibly a large degree there are still two Germanys and it is the East which I think are the dangerous one. It is here that there is the biggest rise in the AFD while the West keeps strong hold on 'never again'. I felt Trump was an idiot demanding Germany get into making more arms. The East is well wanting to be the strongest power in Europe. I wonder if it is the need/desire to placate the hard right in Germany that is the real reason for what they claim below.



your article.

The AFD is the only sanity in Germany. The leftwing socialists are the real danger. They are globalists and despise freedom.

 

[alexa]

The AFD is the only sanity in Germany. The leftwing socialists are the real danger. They are globalists and despise freedom.

It depends on what you are wanting. If you are wanting White Nationalism and the desire for Germany to be the strongest country which can hence control the others like the US does now, then you will be for the AFD.

Can you explain what you mean by both Globalists and freedom.

 

[Litwin]

What could go wrong here?

in the 20th Century, Germany exercised power in 2 major cases when they were lead by the Kaiser and Mr. Hitler. Briefly speaking, they did not stay on their best behavior.

Those who don't know history, are condemned to repeat it, and Sleepy Joe was apparently taking a nap during the class in school.

Germany Comes to Grips With Its Hard-Power Role in Europe

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has ripped up the postwar political consensus and unsettled policymakers in Berlin.

www.bloomberg.com

its funny to see you ivan-lover, getting on Germany for doing not enough in ukarine ....

 

[theHawk]

It depends on what you are wanting. If you are wanting White Nationalism and the desire for Germany to be the strongest country which can hence control the others like the US does now, then you will be for the AFD.

Can you explain what you mean by both Globalists and freedom.

Globalists are the EU ass kissers who want to erase borders, import millions of refugees, and destroy Western Civilization. They can be characterized as Marxists but do not limit their means to gain power through socialism/communism, they will gladly use corporatism/fascism to achieve their all powerful authoritarian government.

 

[Polishprince]

Globalists are the EU ass kissers who want to erase borders, import millions of refugees, and destroy Western Civilization. They can be characterized as Marxists but do not limit their means to gain power through socialism/communism, they will gladly use corporatism/fascism to achieve their all powerful authoritarian government.

The EU is Hitler's Dream. Europe united under Germany, the so-called "master race's" domination.

 

[alexa]

Globalists are the EU ass kissers who want to erase borders, import millions of refugees, and destroy Western Civilization. They can be characterized as Marxists but do not limit their means to gain power through socialism/communism, they will gladly use corporatism/fascism to achieve their all powerful authoritarian government.

Hmmmmm. I was interested in what you thought. They are certainly not communists so you can forget the Marxist claim. I decided to have a look and each different site I looked at had something quite different to say.

Here is one

Who Are The Globalists?

Simply put, the globalist movement is an alliance based on self-interest of the private international financiers and the royal, dynastic and hereditary land owning families of Britain, Europe and America which over the years have intermarried to create a self regenerating power structure that through lies and deception seeks to control everything and everyone on earth. Through their control of the ability to create money, they are able to exercise control over all the power centers of society including the corporations, the media, culture creation, the educational system, the historical societies, the political system, the military, religion, foundations and other NGOs, medicine, and law. Over time they have extended their network of control to include elites from countries all over the world working towards the same end.

The Globalist Agenda - Who Are They?

The Globalist Agenda - Who Are They?

www.globalistagenda.org

or this one

Globalism refers to various patterns of meaning beyond the merely international. It is used by political scientists, such as Joseph Nye, to describe "attempts to understand all the interconnections of the modern world—and to highlight patterns that underlie (and explain) them."[1] While primarily associated with world-systems, it can be used to describe other global trends. The concept of globalism is also classically used to distinguish the ideologies of globalization (the subjective meanings) from the processes of globalization (the objective practices).[2] In this sense, globalism is to globalization what nationalism is to nationaliism.
The term is now frequently used as a pejorative by far-right movements and conspiracy theorists. False usage in this way has also been associated with anti-semitism, as anti-semites frequently appropriate the word globalist for Jews.[3][4][5]

Globalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There seem to be as many different definitions as there are attempts at it.

I used to think that when people were talking about this they were talking about jobs being sent abroad and so on which has been what has happened with neo liberalism. I really do not think there are communists still around. You did not say what you believe Freedom is. You can just talk of the freedom you would give in your ideal society.

 

[theHawk]

Hmmmmm. I was interested in what you thought. They are certainly not communists so you can forget the Marxist claim. I decided to have a look and each different site I looked at had something quite different to say.

Here is one

The Globalist Agenda - Who Are They?

The Globalist Agenda - Who Are They?

www.globalistagenda.org

or this one

Globalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There seem to be as many different definitions as there are attempts at it.

I used to think that when people were talking about this they were talking about jobs being sent abroad and so on which has been what has happened with neo liberalism. I really do not think there are communists still around. You did not say what you believe Freedom is. You can just talk of the freedom you would give in your ideal society.

As I said already, they aren’t necessarily textbook communists. Communism is a means to an end. The end is an authoritarian government and people with little to no rights. Leftwingers these days are pushing their Agenda and tyranny through corporations as much as government. But fascism is a means to an end too….the same end: complete control over the lives of the masses, and to force their Agenda on them. One thing they all have in common, is a total hatred of Western civilization and white people, and pushing to replace whites with third world brown people.

 

[alexa]

As I said already, they aren’t necessarily textbook communists. Communism is a means to an end. The end is an authoritarian government and people with little to no rights. Leftwingers these days are pushing their Agenda and tyranny through corporations as much as government.

No idea what left wingers you are talking about. Any I know of are working for Democratic Socialism. You cannot get a less authoritarian kind of Government. They even have democracy in the workplace.

But fascism is a means to an end too#

Fascism is a right wing form of thinking. Sure they may bring in some socialist sounding things but that would just be to fool the people. The people who are drawn to this either discover it is not what they want or discover they were or are far to the right.

….the same end: complete control over the lives of the masses, and to force their Agenda on them. One thing they all have in common, is a total hatred of Western civilization and white people, and pushing to replace whites with third world brown people.

I am sorry but this just does not sound real. I have never heard of such a thing. It sounds like insanity.

 

[theHawk]

Fascism is a right wing form of thinking

Wrong. Fascism is a word created by Mussolini, a life long socialist. He merely used nationalism and what he called corporatism to achieve power.

Woke corporations censor Americans now, in order to appease communist China. It is a perfect example of using “fascism” in order to push a leftwing Agenda. Just look at all the corporations that put out statements in support of BLM, a self proclaimed Marxist organization, as well as other radical leftwing movements like the LGBTQ/transgender nonsense. It’s leftwing fascism.

 

[alexa]

Wrong. Fascism is a word created by Mussolini, a life long socialist. He merely used nationalism and what he called corporatism to achieve power.

Well Fascism itself is a relationship between Corporate Power and the State and that is not socialism. It was recognised that because of this after WW2 we had to be very careful not to allow Monopolies to come into being as they lead to fascism. Born just after the war I can still remember my parents going crazy whenever they heard the word Monopoly like they had they responsibility to do everything they could to stop it and they were both Capitalists. It was Thatcher and Regan who stopped the Social Democracy we in the UK were enjoying and set us on tract to Monopolies and Fascism again, though every version of Fascism is different, they also seem to have some similarities. Both in Germany and in Italy they fought against the socialists and communists. It was the communists in Italy and Hitler went particularly after Germany's socialist Party because it was strong competition. The Word Socialist is simply to confuse the people. Any Nazi who made that mistake was likely to find themselves dead.

OK back to Mussolini and his life long socialism. He was brought up as a socialist but lifelong, I think not.

Italian Fascism Marches to Power​

In 1922, Fascists were instructed to wear uniforms, including black shirts, when in squads that were modeled after Roman army groups. All party members were considered squad members.

Soon after, several Italian cities were seized by Fascist squads, who also burned down Communist and Socialist offices.

Benito Mussolini

Benito Mussolini was an Italian political leader who became the fascist dictator of Italy from 1925 to 1945. Originally a revolutionary socialist, he forged

www.history.com

Not the actions of a socialist.

The Hawk

Woke corporations censor Americans now, in order to appease communist China.

There is no woke this is just garbage.
The Hawk

It is a perfect example of using “fascism” in order to push a leftwing Agenda.

Fascism to the extent it was able, killed or imprisoned both socialists and communists. You have a quote and article you can read on Mussolini above and but as to Hitler and socialism also ridiculous

The full name of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi Party, the political movement that brought him to power and supplied the infrastructure of the fascist dictatorship over which he would preside, was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. According to historians, the complicated moniker reveals more about the image the party wanted to project and the constituency it aimed to build than it did about the Nazis’ true political goals, which were building a state based on racial superiority and brute-force governance.

Given that Nazism is traditionally held to be an extreme right-wing ideology, the party’s conspicuous use of the term “socialist” — which refers to a political system normally plotted on the far-left end of the ideological spectrum — has long been a source of confusion, not to mention heated debate among partisans seeking to distance themselves from the genocidal taint of Nazi Germany.

Were the Nazis Socialists?

We look into the burning (at least for some) question of whether members of the National German Socialist Workers' Party were accurately classified as "socialists".

www.snopes.com

Whatever argument you want to give they will show you how you are wrong.
the Hawk

Just look at all the corporations that put out statements in support of BLM, a self proclaimed Marxist organization, as well as other radical leftwing movements like the LGBTQ/transgender nonsense. It’s leftwing fascism.

Here you become even more ridiculous. Please can I remind you that the NAZIS in Germany a recognised fascist party was against people of different races and imprisoned or killed gay people. If you read the article on Mussolini you will see that he and Hitler started seeing eye to eye and he became antisemetic as well. They both supported Franco. Fascism may vary on how vicious it is but it is a far right ideology that cannot stand any who do not think there way. Out of interest did you read what you say and genuinely believe it or are you just hoping to be able to get some people to believe you. If it looks like a duck and acts like a duck it probably is a duck. The things you claim Fascists support, are the things and people which fascism worked to destroy. You need to read some history.

 

[theHawk]

Here you become even more ridiculous. Please can I remind you that the NAZIS in Germany a recognised fascist party was against people of different races and imprisoned or killed gay people. If you read the article on Mussolini you will see that he and Hitler started seeing eye to eye and he became antisemetic as well. They both supported Franco. Fascism may vary on how vicious it is but it is a far right ideology that cannot stand any who do not think there way. Out of interest did you read what you say and genuinely believe it or are you just hoping to be able to get some people to believe you. If it looks like a duck and acts like a duck it probably is a duck. The things you claim Fascists support, are the things and people which fascism worked to destroy. You need to read some history.

I’m well of the history of fascism being right wing.

As I stated before the radicals on the left are using fascism for their Agenda. You act as if corporatism cannot be used to further the left’s Agenda. Yet I showed you specific examples of it, that you cannot refute. Fascism, Nazism, Communism, they are all a means of gaining power and exerting it over people. The radical left, Marxists, socialists, ect, have failed to enact all their goals through government. So they adapted and are using corporatism to do it. Again, nothing you have pointed out refutes this. Historical examples of left and right wing tyranny don’t capture what is happening today.

 

[alexa]

I’m well of the history of fascism being right wing.

As I stated before the radicals on the left are using fascism for their Agenda. You act as if corporatism cannot be used to further the left’s Agenda. Yet I showed you specific examples of it, that you cannot refute. Fascism, Nazism, Communism, they are all a means of gaining power and exerting it over people. The radical left, Marxists, socialists, ect, have failed to enact all their goals through government. So they adapted and are using corporatism to do it. Again, nothing you have pointed out refutes this. Historical examples of left and right wing tyranny don’t capture what is happening today.

so now you are claiming Communism has disappeared because it has now become fascism. Get real.

You are trying to argue that people who act against the fascism of Nazi Germany are fascists for so doing. Do you really think people are going to believe it. I get that you feel it is unfair that you cannot harm black people and gay people, the left protecting them is the only example you gave of what you now claim is fascism. I know there is a term for what you are trying to do. Possibly from Animal Farm.

 

[alexa]

The Hawk. I know what you are trying to do and I know you will have read a bunch of stuff that may even have you believing it because I did a search. However what basically you are doing is taking the lie about the Frankfurt School and moving that over to Fascism. The Frankfurt School were mainly Jews and they took it upon themselves to try and develop a kind of society where what happened in WW2 could never happen again to anyone. They were political/social scientists and psychologists. Such people do not make law and further people who are working to make sure fascism does not come into being again do not become fascist and further that you are complaining about not being able to act in the way the NAZI'S did is really all anyone needs know.

 

[Ringo]